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Probably marking Burst Fire not recommended is a little bit rush decision.

While the argument that you lose control of areas you want to pressure stands valid, consider this:

  1. Accurately placed 3 grenades still net you some value
  2. While there are grenades in your magazine, you don't gain anything from your level 7 talent that you recommend. Q them one by one takes fairly long and this time can be crucial. In the meantime, emptying your frag launcher at once keeps you basically at +15% MS at all times when you Q on CD. This makes sense in mine build, because this build encourages you to use mine offensively, to displace your oponents which leaves you basically defenseless. In this situation a constant +15% ms is nothing to scoff at. Well, in theory, ofc you can use the mine to both displace your enemy AND get yourself to safety, but lets be real, most of the time you will choose between the two.
  3. At this point, I believe that loss of Q direction control can be situationally exchanged for extra survivability and kiting ability.
  4. If you still think BF is not worth it, probably there is a better alternative at tier 3 talents?

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3 hours ago, Jonar said:

Probably marking Burst Fire not recommended is a little bit rush decision.

While the argument that you lose control of areas you want to pressure stands valid, consider this:

  1. Accurately placed 3 grenades still net you some value
  2. While there are grenades in your magazine, you don't gain anything from your level 7 talent that you recommend. Q them one by one takes fairly long and this time can be crucial. In the meantime, emptying your frag launcher at once keeps you basically at +15% MS at all times when you Q on CD. This makes sense in mine build, because this build encourages you to use mine offensively, to displace your oponents which leaves you basically defenseless. In this situation a constant +15% ms is nothing to scoff at. Well, in theory, ofc you can use the mine to both displace your enemy AND get yourself to safety, but lets be real, most of the time you will choose between the two.
  3. At this point, I believe that loss of Q direction control can be situationally exchanged for extra survivability and kiting ability.
  4. If you still think BF is not worth it, probably there is a better alternative at tier 3 talents?

If you are going the Mine Build I actually agree with your reasoning here to a degree.  While I wouldn't say emptying your launcher is all that hard as to negatively impact Shuffle, I do see the value in burst's faster shots.  If Spread Volley doesn't appeal to you I can easily see the value of spraying your grenades quick for the movement speed.  It's also bit more controlled (for precise strikes on squishies) than the general mayhem of Spread Volley (and safer than trying to shotgun with it especially if you're not good at that).

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With burst fire, while it does not have the same sustained firepower of the single shots. It comes with the upside of being very near to lunara levels of area poking power. Has great wave clear, something that he's sorta weak in without using the frag launcher or volley shot, and a team may not have as well. 

This helps more with stopping those folks like zuljin who can step back and heal, or folks like lucio. who can keep up with the sustained damage. Or screening through to keep someone from mounting. At 16 or so, 2 shots can clear a blocking minion trio or group, and that third rolls through to hit. 

It also helps with missing a long ranged shot, as you may miss with 1 single shot, but with the volley. You are far more likely to land the 2, or get to a target using minions to shield themselves from the same. Yes, the single shot with 1.5 helps for far quicker reloads in heavy team fight maps, but it doesn't deliver the same burst damage. Its very strong sustained. It's like taking lunara's vines vs the leaping strike. Both deal very near damage, but how its delivered varies immensely.

As for spread volley, its potent, but its on a 30s cooldown, and while having the cone approach of burst fire, it benefits more from objective fight maps? Its damage, good damage. But this can let you chew through shamblers, golems, help clear merc camps, or destroy the same. 

It's good burst damage, but a bit slower in how its delivered if you miss some side shots. You fire 15 grenades over 30 seconds with burst, this fires 12 over 6-8 seconds, then every 12 seconds, so its a higher amount on the front end, but you have a longer pause in the middle. 15 vs 20. You match the same 

The 16 talents seem to cater more to how you like to play junkrat here, sorta like how garrosh can be for pulls, body checks, or throws?

Edited by TheStratovarian
Minor issue in saying about spread volley, and fixing wave clear.

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I think it is worth mentioning Junkrat's synergy with Garrosh, because it is insane how much chaos they can cause. A well placed Wrecking BallWrecking Ball can lead into a Concussion MineConcussion Mine to blast enemies far behind the safety point.

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Point of note, Junkrat has incredible synergy with Auriel as a hope target, especially with Burst Fire and spread shot. a BF/SS volley can easily generate 50-100% of a gauge with 1 heroes being in range.  And becomes insanely potent with the AOE upgrade at 20. With the upgrade at 7 for auriel you have a very good chance of giving back a full gauge with just a hero. 

The damage value for being a builder for her shouldn't be underestimated.

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Forgot to add a point of this with and without auriel 7 talent.
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Guest mistake

The frag launcher build shows spread at 16 but has nades in the build explanation.

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3 hours ago, Guest mistake said:

The frag launcher build shows spread at 16 but has nades in the build explanation.

Thanks! I passed this onto Micekrispies, so a fix should be up soon.

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Guest gue

Minor maths issue in Gotta catch 'em all: since it also reduces cd by 3sec down to 9, it takes minimum of 18 secs, not 24, to place 3 traps.

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11 hours ago, Guest gue said:

Minor maths issue in Gotta catch 'em all: since it also reduces cd by 3sec down to 9, it takes minimum of 18 secs, not 24, to place 3 traps.

Thanks for pointing this out! I submitted a fix for this and one other issue in the guide, which should go live soon.

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This guide desperately needs an update. It's currently very misleading and just flat out wrong on several points.

Trap build is just really bad. It relies on your opponents to step into your trap to be effective at all, which is rarely the case when your enemies are at least decent players. Frag Launcher build is 99% the go-to build because your damage is really low without it.

At lv 1 Put some English on it is pretty much the only choice. That Bouncy something talent (lol) is too inconsistant to be worth picking over the extra range of Put some English on it.

RIP Tire is CLEARLY the superior heroic. It does a tremendous amount of AOE burst damage during team fight, and the damage is much less predictable than Rocket Ride. And it allows you to stay in the fight.

While Ripper Air is generally the safer choice, I sometimes take Bogged Down if I don't need faster rotation and escape. This talent is very powerful to seperate the enemy team, which makes Concussion Mine very disruptive.

Endless Nades has been proven to be the best choice in most situations because it significantly improve his sustain poke damage. While Spread Volley can be good to burst down an enemy locked down by your allies, Burst Fire remains to be the worst choice out of the 3 talents. It promotes a very strange playstyle that turns you into an AA assassin with Q as a burst tool, but Junkrat's short AA range and low health pool makes it very dangerous.

Junkrat is easily one of my favourite heroes in the game as I was a Junkrat one-trick before I quit Overwatch. Junkrat remains a really fun hero to play in Hots, even though his playstyle is vastly different.

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Guest kazyovka

I lost 50MMR just by reading this guide. Really bad builds for junkie.

Junkrat only really has options at 1, 16, and 20.

1. English (optional: Bouncy)
4: Taste For Explosions

7: Tricky Shuffles

10: RIP TIRE! Rocket Ride is terrible!

13: Ripper Air: GOOD AT EVERYTHING

16: Endless Nades or (optional: Spread Volley for 3+ melee or your team has lockdown like Blaze/ETC)

20: Cannonball (optional: Extra Oomph if they have 3+ melee)

Also your guide should mention weaving auto+q for double DPS.

And it should mention soaking two lanes with Ripper Air for mobility.

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On 2018年3月28日 at 11:12 AM, Guest kazyovka said:

I lost 50MMR just by reading this guide. Really bad builds for junkie.

Junkrat only really has options at 1, 16, and 20.

1. English (optional: Bouncy)
4: Taste For Explosions

7: Tricky Shuffles

10: RIP TIRE! Rocket Ride is terrible!

13: Ripper Air: GOOD AT EVERYTHING

16: Endless Nades or (optional: Spread Volley for 3+ melee or your team has lockdown like Blaze/ETC)

20: Cannonball (optional: Extra Oomph if they have 3+ melee)

Also your guide should mention weaving auto+q for double DPS.

And it should mention soaking two lanes with Ripper Air for mobility.

This guide was made when Junkrat was introduced. Sadly, our guide writer has disappeared for a long, long time.

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15 hours ago, Valhalen said:

Better update the guide and add Alterac Pass as Junkrat's best map.

 

Yeah, can we get this ANCIENT guide updated already? It's clearly outdated and wrong in certain points. 

Icy Vains has a very obnoxious reputation for having outdated guides and builds. This guide is a clear example. I mean, if you can't get the writer to update it, might as well just fire him and let someone else do it.

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7 hours ago, ShadowerDerek said:

Yeah, can we get this ANCIENT guide updated already? It's clearly outdated and wrong in certain points. 

Icy Vains has a very obnoxious reputation for having outdated guides and builds. This guide is a clear example. I mean, if you can't get the writer to update it, might as well just fire him and let someone else do it.

Well, to be honest, Junkrat didn't get any significant patch changes since his release. His talent builds today are pretty much the same as written in this 2017 guide. But this guide surely could get some updates.

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11 hours ago, Valhalen said:

Well, to be honest, Junkrat didn't get any significant patch changes since his release. His talent builds today are pretty much the same as written in this 2017 guide. But this guide surely could get some updates.

This guide is just flat out wrong on the talents, because the writer clearly didn't update it according to play-testings and statistics from the community.

It's commonly known that Junkrat only has one 'serious' build: Put Some English on it - Taste for Explosion - Tricky Shuffle - RIP Tire - Ripper Air - Endless Nade - Cannonball. All other talents are either situational, or just bad (meme talents). ESPECIALLY THE HEROIC. RIP Tire outclasses Rocket Ride in almost every situation, but the guide says the exact opposite. 

The guide was written when Junkrat was released, and wasn't updated even ONCE after that. And all the guides from this writer are horribly outdated. Talents and builds should be updated according to the meta, not just the patch changes, if you do not want your guides to be called 'outdated' or 'bad' or anything like that.

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1 hour ago, ShadowerDerek said:

Clear example of 'obnoxious reputation for having outdated guides and builds'. 

Yeah, I know a lot of people that hate Icy Veins for that. I know there are a shitload of Heroes in the game, but I know there are also a lot of Guide Writers; if you check the Discord you'll see a lot, but sure, maybe they are not writers for HotS.

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"Incredibly susceptible to dive and enemy crowd-control" should be probably moved to pros instead of weaknesses since with lvl 7 any Junkrat dive will result in 2x bombs and a dead enemy diver.

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On 9/27/2019 at 2:42 PM, Kuarinofu said:

"Incredibly susceptible to dive and enemy crowd-control" should be probably moved to pros instead of weaknesses since with lvl 7 any Junkrat dive will result in 2x bombs and a dead enemy diver.

Hahaha, well you aren't wrong!

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      Level 1 Full Metal [Trait] Fusion Cannons healing reduced from 20% to 16%. Liquid Cooling [Active] Healing Fountain duration bonus increased from 25% to 35%. Level 4 Rush-down [Q] Damage bonus to non-Heroic enemies reduced from 70% to 50%. Aggression Matrix [W] Reduced Healing received increased from 30% to 35%. Level 7 Fusion Generator [W] Fusion Cannons bonus increased from 75% to 100%. Level 10 Micro Missiles [R2] Slow reduced from 35% to 30%. Level 13 Target Locked [W] Duration required reduced from 1.25 seconds to 1 second. Level 20 Stop and Pop [R1] Additional Functionality: Bunny Hop duration increased by 4 seconds. Hogger
      Base
      Hogg Wild [E] Radius reduced from 2.75 to 2.625. Damage increased from 32 to 44. Damage bonus per point of Rage reduced from 1% to .5%. Changed Functionality: Damage bonus from Rage now only applies to Heroic targets. Talents
      Level 1 On The Prowl [Active] Healing per second reduced from 9 to 8. Level 4 Brute Force [Q/D] Loot Hoard range bonus increased from 15 to 20%. Maximum damage bonus increased from 125 to 150. Additional Functionality: Increase Loot Hoard’s damage by 50%. Aggro Range [E] Radius bonus decreased from 25% to 20%. Level 13 Pummel [E] Spell Power reduction duration reduced from 3 to 2 seconds. Level 20 No Control [Active] Duration decay rate increased by 50%. Sonya
      Talents
      Level 1 Furious Blow [W] Damage bonus reduced from 50% to 40%. Level 4 Shattered Ground [W] Changed Functionality: Increase Seismic Slam's splash damage by 250%. Targeting a Hero with Seismic Slam further increases its splash damage by 250%, while targeting other enemies instead increases the length of Seismic Slam's splash by 66%. Level 16 Giant Slammer [W] Healing from damage dealt reduced from 100% to 60%. The Lost Vikings
      Base
      Baleog Health reduced from 1180 to 1130. Health Regeneration reduced from 2.46 to 2.35. Basic Attack damage reduced from 78 to 75. Erik Health reduced from 840 to 804. Health Regeneration reduced from 1.75 to 1.67. Basic Attack damage reduced from 65 to 62. Olaf Health reduced from 1540 to 1482. Health Regeneration reduced from 3.21 to 3.08. Basic Attack damage reduced from 57 to 54. Talents
      Level 4 It's a Sabotage! [Passive] Damage over time duration reduced from 5 to 3 seconds. Damage per second increased from 50 to 75. Level 7 Norse Force! [Q] Base Shield increased from 130 to 140. Additional Shield for each Viking alive increased from 65 to 84. Level 10 Longboat Raid! [R2] Damage per second increased from 112 to 128. Level 16 Impatience Is a Virtue [Passive] Cooldown reduction increased from .25 seconds to .31 seconds. 64 KB Marathon [Z] Changed Functionality: Bonus Movement Speed no longer decays over its duration. Level 20 Ragnarok 'n' Roll! [R1] Additional Functionality: Reduce the cooldown of Longboat Raid by 30 seconds. Lucio
      Talents
      Level 1 Party Mix [W] New Functionality: Quest: Play Crossfade tracks to nearby allies. Reward: Every minute played increases Lucio’s Maximum Mana by 2%. After 8 Minutes of total play time, increase the range of Crossfade by 20%. Level 7 Boombox [Active] Cast range increased by 100% (5 to 10 grid). Health increased from 350 to 600. Additional Functionality: Allies affected by Boombox gain 5 Armor. Level 10 High Five [R2] Self-heal reduced from 125 to 80. Level 13 Slip [Z] Armor reduced from 20 to 15. Level 16 Up To Eleven [E] New Functionality: Increase the duration of Amp It Up by 1 second. While Amp It Up is active, enemy Heroes hit with Soundwave or Push-Off increase it’s duration by an additional .3 seconds. Level 20 Mixing Fire [R2] Damage dealt reduced from 225 to 160. Cost and cooldown reduction reduced from 50% to 30%. Uther
      Base
      Devotion [Trait] Adjusted Functionality: Uther’s Basic Abilities grant 25 Armor to allied Heroes, and 15 to Uther, for 2 seconds. Talents
      Level 16 Beacon of Light [Q] Self-healing bonus increased from 100% to 125%. Self-healing bonus at low Health increased from 200% to 250%. Tyr's Deliverance [W] Maximum stacks increased from 4 to 7. Level 20 Divine Protection [Trait] Additional Functionality: Sets Devotion Armor for both allied Heroes and Uther to 50. Azmodan
      Base
      Globe of Annihilation [Q] Level scaling increased from 2.5 to 4%. Talents
      Level 1 Greed [Q] Non-Heroic damage bonus reduced from 20 to 15%. Gluttony [Q] Annihilation earned from Hero hits increased from 3 to 4. Level 7 Master of Destruction [E] Annihilation earned from Hero hits reduced from 4 to 2. Level 10 Demonic Invasion [R1] Range decreased from 20 to 13.5. Demonic Grunt attack damage reduced from 42 to 39. Level 16 Hell Rift [E] Demon Warrior damage bonus reduced from 100 to 75%. Level 20 Siegebreaker [R1] Damage bonus reduced from 50 to 40%. Pride [Q] Damage bonus increased from 100 to 125. Falstad
      Base
      Lightning Rod [W] Lightning Rod verifies its targets is in range more frequently, from every second to every .25 seconds. Lightning Rod now uses a custom range indicator. Talents
      Level 1 Gathering Storm [Q] Hammerang damage bonus per stack increased from 0.2% to 0.4%. Dishonorable Discharge [W] Lightning Rod cooldown reduction reduced from 3 to 2 seconds. Lightning Rod damage bonus per stack decreased from 1% to .75%, maximum bonus remains 75%. Changed Functionality: Takedowns resetting Lightning Rod's cooldown now gained on quest completion. Level 13 Thunderstrikes [W] Damage bonus per stack increased from 20% to 25%. Changed Functionality: Thunderstrikes' damage bonus no longer affects other Lightning Rod bonuses. Junkrat
      Base
      Frag Launcher [Q] Damage increased from 118 to 124. Talents
      Level 1 Extra-Wound Timers [Q] Damage bonus increased from 80% to 120%. Level 7 Big As [E] Additional Functionality: Steel Trap only hits Heroes. Level 10 Rocket Ride [R2] Damage increased from 890 to 935. Tassadar
      Base
      Shock Ray [Q] Channel duration reduced from .75 to .6875 seconds. Talents
      Level 4 Induction [Q] Changed Functionality: Tassadar gains 10% increased Movement Speed. Casting Shock Ray increases this bonus to 30% for 3 seconds. Level 7 Beam Alignment [Q] Mana cost reduction increased from 10 to 15. Additional Functionality: While Resonance Beam is fully charged, Shock Ray’s Slow duration is increased to 4 seconds. Level 13 Shadow Walk [Active] Armor increased from 25 to 35. Return to Top
      Bug Fixes
      Battlegrounds
      Added Warhead Junction to Ranked Play. Removed Volskaya from Ranked Play. Heroes
      E.T.C. Crowd Surfer no longer causes spells queued after Powerslide to be cast without an animation. Rexxar Casting Misha, Charge! and Misha Focus! at the same time will no longer occasionally cancel the ability. Uther Tyr's Deliverance no longer increases Uther's Holy Light self Healing. Return to Top
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    • By Staff
      There's a new type of talent coming to Heroes of the Storm, as Blizz_Daybringer revealed on r/heroesofthestorm today. Loan talents are ment to be "the opposite of quests", as they give a lot of power up-front and then become weaker and weaker, with the Johanna example we got losing one quarter of it's power with each death, so they will lose some effect when something negative happens. 
      Loan Talents (source)
      Good morning Heroes!
      There is some new content coming right around the corner and I wanted to take a quick minute to share something that will be entering the Nexus shortly - Loan Talents. Here is a sneak-peek at one of them:
      Divine Fortress
      Basic Attacks against enemy Heroes grant 15 Physical Armor for 3 seconds, stacking up to 60.
      Loan: Johanna gains 20% maximum Health. Lose 5% of this bonus every time she dies.
      The idea behind these was to give fairly substantial up-front power spikes that can either help carry you to victory or potentially lose potency over time - think of them as sort of 'reverse-quests'. Play smart and they can be extremely powerful over the course of the game, but know that by choosing it, you also put a pretty substantial target over your head... cough, Convection, cough.
      Anyways, the team is excited to see what you think about these and get them into your hands as soon as possible! Have a wonderful day and we will see you in the Nexus! ❤️
    • By Staff
      The Icy Veins Masters Clash Championship continues today at 6 PM Paris time. Check out the schedule of all upcoming matches for this weekend!
      About the Event
      Masters Clash Championship is a Heroes of the Storm tournament sponsored by Icy Veins, where teams compete for a prize pool of 10,000 EUR.
      Event Schedule
      May 1 (Saturday)
      Match 1: Inting for Ruby vs. The Hardos at 6:00 PM Paris time Match 2: ArthasStroitHram vs. SoundLess at 8:00 PM Paris time. May 2 (Sunday)
      Match 1: Go Next vs. 30K at 6:00 PM Paris time. Match 2: The donuts vs. Chilly Mountain at 8:00 PM Paris time. Here is the exact schedule of all the matches for this weekend.

      Head over to the official site for more details about the event
      Where to Watch
       English stream (Khaldor)  French stream (Malganyr)  German stream (TazzDingo)  Russian stream (Noizen)  Spanish stream (Orhy)
    • By Staff
      The Icy Veins Masters Clash Championship continues tomorrow at 6 PM Paris time. Check out the schedule of upcoming matches for this weekend!
      About the Event
      Masters Clash Championship is a Heroes of the Storm tournament sponsored by Icy Veins, where teams compete for a prize pool of 10,000 EUR.
      Event Schedule
      April 24 (Saturday)
      Match 1: The donuts vs. Inting for Ruby at 6:00 PM Paris time Match 2: SoundLess vs. SoundLess at 8:00 PM Paris time. April 25 (Sunday)
      Match 1: Go Next vs. ArthasStroitHram at 6:00 PM Paris time. Match 2: The Hardos vs. 30K at 8:00 PM Paris time. Here is the exact schedule of the upcoming matches for this weekend.

       
      Head over to the official site for more details.
      Where to Watch
       English stream (Khaldor)  French stream (Malganyr)  German stream (TazzDingo)  Russian stream (Noizen)  Spanish stream (Orhy)
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