heroes Patch Notes: Jan 16 - Tyrael Rework, Mecha Skins Now Available

[Valhalen 1,485]

Eh, guys. I don't know. I feel that Tyrael is a lot more aggressive now. I've faced Tyraels on every match yesterday, and you can really feel how much weight he brings to the teamfights. The El'druin's Might's build is a pain in the ass to deal with. He doesn't deal much damage like before, but he is way more slippery and resilient, and giving him access to Holy Ground at level 13 is huge.

Also, regarding Malfurion, I don't think that adding more complexity hurts him. The idea of being able to track active Regrowths and having that minor burst healing from Moonfire is great. That interaction makes him definitely more engaging to play with.

But those are just my two cents.

Edited January 17, 2018 by Valhalen

[MurkyFelix 51]

36 minutes ago, Valhalen said:

He doesn't deal much damage like before, but he is way more slippery and resilient, and giving him access to Holy Ground at level 13 is huge.

Not really a Tyrael player but still; opinion time.

Going off what I've seen players doing with him; he always seemed like grown up version of Murky somehow; hassle players early game and stick to people like glue (though with a very reliable escape) and he took a good bit of time to master. Going off the opinions of others in this forum and the outer world; before the rework he only had Sanctification and Holy Ground going for him and he was getting nerfed steadily over time.

From the look of the rework; it seems he's even more like that more PvP and the move of Holy Ground (the reason for the quote :D ) makes him wayy more annoying more early and Seal of El'druin makes the chase so much more real. To me; he looks like a mash together of Kerrigon (in terms of grabbing heroes out of position or at risk) and Murky (in terms of stickiness and hassling) along with his general tanking role.

Anyway: he needs to be tested more.

[Valhalen 1,485]

50 minutes ago, MurkyFelix said:

From the look of the rework; it seems he's even more like that more PvP and the move of Holy Ground (the reason for the quote :D ) makes him wayy more annoying more early and Seal of El'druin makes the chase so much more real. To me; he looks like a mash together of Kerrigon (in terms of grabbing heroes out of position or at risk) and Murky (in terms of stickiness and hassling) along with his general tanking role.

Anyway: he needs to be tested more.

Exactly that. I've seen people complaining that they ruined his PvE and now he can't clear wave or do mercs anymore. But is that really important? You will most of the time have one or more Heroes that can do it much better than Tyrael ever could. So nerfing his PvE to strengthen his PvP makes all the sense for me.

Also, Holy Ground is, in my opinion, one of strongest talents in the game: 3 seconds of body block with a radius that no other Hero can provide is huge. In small maps like Cursed Mines it's absurdly powerful.

The Basic Attack talents combined make him both very resilient and a constant threat:

• Ardent Restoration (1) provides him with 25 health per second assuming you have 10 stacks. Considering that Tyrael has a very fast attack speed compared to most Warriors (tied with Sonya, Varian and ETC), he'll get a lot of value from (specially when stutter-stepping). And like you said, his ability to harass and glue to his opponents means he can maintain this uptime at a regular basis. And 5 second duration is huge.
• The new Purge Evil (7) in particular, seems absurdly strong, because judging by the tooltip, it has no cap. "Every enemy Hero hit by Smite increases Tyrael's Basic Attack damage by 30% for 4 seconds". So this means if you hit, hipotetically speaking, 5 heroes at once, you get 150% increased Basic Attack damage? If it is, holy moley.
• If Swift Retribution (7) also increases Tyrael's own attack speed (haven't tested yet), then its interaction with Ardent Restoration becomes even stronger, as well for the next one.
• Horadric Reforging (16) comes a bit late in the game, but just because its value, combined with Holy Ground and Swift Retribution makes it too damn strong. I've always been a die-hard fan for cooldown reduction talents through basic attacks (looking at you, Diabolical Momentum), and this one is lovely. But wait, THERE IS MORE.
• And then you have Seal of El'druin (20). Holy fuck. THE SYNERGY.

So let's review. With all those talents combined Tyrael have a decent amount of health per second, 70% (!!!) increased attack speed, and the ability to reduce El'druin's Might cooldown at regular basis, thus being able to bodyblock people with Holy Ground more often. Sure, this will BURN Tyrael's mana very fast, but will also make Teamfights end much faster. Just have him and Malfurion in the same team (they have great synergy) and it's all good; Innervate all day long.

That all sounds very nice on paper, but only time will tell. But from what I've seen yesterday, Tyrael just took a leap in the Tier List, for me. I'd dare to say he is Prime, or at the very least Core.

Edited January 17, 2018 by Valhalen

[Othello 2]

What I can say, as an more aggressive Tyrael-Player: I dont like Holy Ground. Because i use El'durin's Might for initiate a fight, or jump in the backline and then i'm not very amused, if the get kicked away from me, or when i'm cleaning an wave and all the creeps get kicked apart. Its also very annoying für some ranged dd like KT or Jaina, when you kick the enemies out of there aoe's. So most of the time you must be very careful with this talent.
It's nice to steal camps or to interrupt channeling abilities, but (for me) thats it.
I always used the "Blood to Blood" talent...it gives me a big impact for tanks and some kills over a short distance, when everything else is on cd.

NOW, at Lvl 13 i think i will prefer the "Law and Order" talent for some more damage output and more shield. The new "Purge Evil" talent is in fact the old "Angelic Might" talent, that give Tyraels next basic attack a boost of 80% within the next 5 second for every hero hit by Smite. Now its 30% for every hero hit and not only for the next but every basic attack in 4 seconds.
Well, I don't if "Swift Retribution" is such a good choice. Its a great boost for your teammates and yourself  and does great damage, but its a big deal to hit your mates, the enemie and yourself the get the benefit. Would be nice if the duration of the smite-mark would be increased so you're mates have more benefit from the boost.

There are so many way to make a great Tyrael, for example:
A Cleanse when you cast the shield for Tyrael and/or your teammates at Tier 13 / 16.
Basic attacks get aoe after use of abilities at tier 7 / 13
Teammates in the effekt area of El'durin' Might gets heal or shield at tier 7 / 13
Smite silences the enemies at tier 13.

But this rework....he is now a angel who can chase enemies and hit them fast without a significant amount of damage. Sad for the Archangel of Justice.

[Laragon 269]

3 hours ago, Valhalen said:

Eh, guys. I don't know. I feel that Tyrael is a lot more aggressive now. I've faced Tyraels on every match yesterday, and you can really feel how much weight he brings to the teamfights. The El'druin's Might's build is a pain in the ass to deal with. He doesn't deal much damage like before, but he is way more slippery and resilient, and giving him access to Holy Ground at level 13 is huge.

Also, regarding Malfurion, I don't think that adding more complexity hurts him. The idea of being able to track active Regrowths and having that minor burst healing from Moonfire is great. That interaction makes him definitely more engaging to play with.

But those are just my two cents.

You're right though. He's harder to play, but WAY more impactful. Now he's a hero for more than an R button and a possible boss steal. He brings a lot to every team fight and lane phase. He's back to being a proper bruiser that you fear on your back line.

I still stand that malf is 100% in a better place than before this latest rework. People just refuse to relearn him. You can top healing and damage (if brocoli stacks up) and in every comp that he was already good, he's even better.

Both of these reworks didn't reset the meta list, but the did solidify their heroes place in that list and maybe move them up it. Neither are S tier now, but they are all a solid viable pick depending on the comp.

[Valhalen 1,485]

I guess this rework release will delay @Oxygen's the Blaze Patch Tier List, right?

[strategylord 4]

Guys you should give Tyrael some love (AND TESTING) before judging him.

I have played about 15 games with the new Tyrael, tested every possible build and I absolutely love him. He is at least core tier now and prime for me as well.

 
His AA build is very powerful and when he gets Seal of El'Druin talent at level 20 he turns into a MEAN killing machine.

Smite The Wicked at level 16 Provides an outstanding synergy with Seal of El'Druin and Purge Evil you can simply put your sword on the ground to get near-permanent attack speed and damage buff. This gives you the sustainability of a Varian and the mobility of an Illidan. one well-placed E can give you more basic attack damage than Thrall with an attack speed of Varian. Would it be too far to say I melted the great Stitches with this build? It actually HAPPENED

Also I was paired with Ana in one game where she Nanoboosted me and I was casting Smite every 1-second in a team fight and literally destroying their backline with basic attacks and Smite.

There is also a solid tank build where you pick Stalwart angel (Q) at level 4 which gives 25 armor and combine it with Defense Of the Angels  at level 20 which gives 40 armor to get a total armor of 65 that can be reused very quickly if you know how to reduce the cooldown of your Q using your W and Hoardic Reforging at level 16.Not to mention that Sanctification is still great.

 

Overall, I really like the new Tyrael and the new talent synergy and diversity blizzard gave him. ABOUT TIME!

 

[Brauchief 6]

it seems that the people who like the rework use him as a chaser/bruiser while the people who are hating it are trying to use him as a tank in extended fights causing mana issues

[Leadblast 28]

18 hours ago, Odin said:

This is quite ridiculous and I mean no offense but most of the coments are obviosly by low level players. I am a high diamond player, I have spent whole day trying out new Tyrael and I am absolutly in love with him. They really did great job in the talent synergy and all on the right level. He is given much more dmg now thus making him much more dangerous and prob the best jumper/bruiser atm. Just a few things now, u vine cause u dont have 30% bonus dmg on smite (on lev20 the value of that bonus was 100 dmg), but that new increased aa dmg after smite...its 30% for each hero...procked right it can get u from 170 (on lev20 values) to 350 dmg per aa, combined with the 50% aa selfheal....almost feels like a warrior Illidan now :) ...even the lev1 is good since u will stack it very fast in tf giving u 55 additional selfheal per second...and that is just one part... Fiendly advice, first do your math and the testing before u do the crying.

Hah, is that directed at me? Indeed that seems to be fiendish advice. And comparing him to Illidan? lolno. Tyrael can be really mobile for a warrior, but Illidan is actually an assassin (plus he cannot run out of mana) I think you just threw away any credibility you had by saying that. Sorry, not even a bronze would have said such BS.

Not that I knew who you were anyway.

Edited January 18, 2018 by Leadblast

[Leadblast 28]

16 hours ago, Valhalen said:

Exactly that. I've seen people complaining that they ruined his PvE and now he can't clear wave or do mercs anymore. But is that really important? You will most of the time have one or more Heroes that can do it much better than Tyrael ever could. So nerfing his PvE to strengthen his PvP makes all the sense for me.

Also, Holy Ground is, in my opinion, one of strongest talents in the game: 3 seconds of body block with a radius that no other Hero can provide is huge. In small maps like Cursed Mines it's absurdly powerful.

The Basic Attack talents combined make him both very resilient and a constant threat:

• Ardent Restoration (1) provides him with 25 health per second assuming you have 10 stacks. Considering that Tyrael has a very fast attack speed compared to most Warriors (tied with Sonya, Varian and ETC), he'll get a lot of value from (specially when stutter-stepping). And like you said, his ability to harass and glue to his opponents means he can maintain this uptime at a regular basis. And 5 second duration is huge.
• The new Purge Evil (7) in particular, seems absurdly strong, because judging by the tooltip, it has no cap. "Every enemy Hero hit by Smite increases Tyrael's Basic Attack damage by 30% for 4 seconds". So this means if you hit, hipotetically speaking, 5 heroes at once, you get 150% increased Basic Attack damage? If it is, holy moley.
• If Swift Retribution (7) also increases Tyrael's own attack speed (haven't tested yet), then its interaction with Ardent Restoration becomes even stronger, as well for the next one.
• Horadric Reforging (16) comes a bit late in the game, but just because its value, combined with Holy Ground and Swift Retribution makes it too damn strong. I've always been a die-hard fan for cooldown reduction talents through basic attacks (looking at you, Diabolical Momentum), and this one is lovely. But wait, THERE IS MORE.
• And then you have Seal of El'druin (20). Holy fuck. THE SYNERGY.

So let's review. With all those talents combined Tyrael have a decent amount of health per second, 70% (!!!) increased attack speed, and the ability to reduce El'druin's Might cooldown at regular basis, thus being able to bodyblock people with Holy Ground more often. Sure, this will BURN Tyrael's mana very fast, but will also make Teamfights end much faster. Just have him and Malfurion in the same team (they have great synergy) and it's all good; Innervate all day long.

That all sounds very nice on paper, but only time will tell. But from what I've seen yesterday, Tyrael just took a leap in the Tier List, for me. I'd dare to say he is Prime, or at the very least Core.

He's not Core, nor Prime tier by any means, he was always this special snowflake niche warrior that works in maps where you have to capture a point, like Volskaya, or Sky Temple to a lesser extent. He's not that different now, really. In fact, he was partially a good counterpick to Kael'thas or Jaina because of both his shielding abilities and his inherent Spell Armor, which he no longer has. Now he faces serious competition from Blaze who can just hurt clumped enemies much better than Tyrael could.

And yeah, they ruined his PvE capabilities, Divine Vigor works well for sustain until you run out of mana, which is still a big problem with him. Old Burning Rage is now Burning Halo, technically superior to the older version, but also moved later to level 16. I really doubt this was preferable to not having Holy Ground at 13, because that one is kind of gimmicky. I mean you rarely use Holy Ground in most maps other than for stealing camps at the right time (and then things like Falstad's Gust heroic can still ruin your attempt anyway)

New Purge Evil is not that good, you will rarely Smite more than 2 enemies at once, just Smiting 2 enemy heroes in a single cast is pretty rare in itself. There was an old talent he had, I think it was Angelic Might, which used to do pretty much the same thing as the current Purge Evil. It was also "hot garbage" for the very same reason, impossible to hit that many enemy heroes with a single Smite. I honestly prefered the old version as it was instant 30% more damage per Smite cast, you didn't have to attack anything.

They really improved his mobility to a whole new level, and gave him some nice physical armor options, but other than that, he does seem nerfed overall. Nexus Blades for instance is gone, and Seal of El'druin is really weak as substitute. Neither his tank nor his bruiser builds feel like something special, he's still outplayed by more capable warriors in both areas.

Edited January 18, 2018 by Leadblast

[Warper 12]

The new purge evil isn’t as strong and your correct he lost nexus blades. Individually it doesn’t look amazing, it’s the synergy between all these different AA abilities that makes those strong... and getting 2 people with purge evil isn’t that hard. 

I agree with Valhalen that he seems stronger, but I certainly need moar games before I make the leap to prime/core. Being a flexible character by the way lends power in and of itself. Sure he can’t duel the likes of Sonya and friends, but he can provide great shielding, peeling, and chase for both him and his allies. I love Tyreal Because he does it all. Supporting both the front and the back line like no other. Sonya’s all in, Tyreal goes all in and still saves KT’s ass in the back. A true team player and in the right hands a true MVP...

Just gotta find those hands ;)