Kazistrasz 216 Report post Posted November 21, 2013 I am convening this meeting of the Dark Coven of Icy Veins! So, I've cleared 14/14 on normal mode 10-man. I know the heroic mechanics for Immerseus, Protectors, Norushen, IJ, and Nazgrim. I've never done any of them on 25-man. I need the help of all my warlock brothers and sisters. I got my financial stuff straightened back out and... I just got accepted into a 9/14 HM 25-man guild, and have 6 days to know the 25-man differences as well as heroic mechanics on the fights I don't know them yet. Can we be amazing enough to give me little primers on what I'm gonna have to adjust when I get over there? I will give you all hugs and cookies. Okay, we all already have cookies, so I'll give you some sort of stew involving fish and diced mogu. Yum. Really though, I'm excited but kind of nervous. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Annoroth 5 Report post Posted November 21, 2013 Yum, 300 food. To my knowledge, heroic Norushen functions the same as normal Norushen, but is just tougher all around. Though it appears that your new guild has it on farm, it probably won't be a fight you can cut corners on, so just go hard. Hopefully that's a bit reassuring? Though if I recall correctly, you used to raid lead for your previous guild, correct? With that off your shoulders, it should be a smoother learning experience for fights than what you're used to. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kazistrasz 216 Report post Posted November 21, 2013 Yes, GM and RL. A little bit of attention will be freed up. :D I just haven't actually trialed in a guild since Ulduar, so it's nerve-wracking. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zagam 1,983 Report post Posted November 21, 2013 I think he's just looking for the differences in 25 man compared to 10 man, not how the fights function because those are largely the same. Immerseus: lots more adds. Our group had 4 people do adds (Spriest, one Destro Lock, 2 Hunters) while everyone else zerged the boss. This shortened the Immerseus phases greatly. Healers dispelled DPS who were pushing boss (Mass Dispel) and the fight was largely a joke. Protectors: nothing different Norushen: more adds, nothing to write home to mom about Sha of Pride: more adds, nothing to write home to dad about Galakras: nothing IJ: nothing Dark Shamans: nothing Nazgrim: nothing Malkorok: 3 slimes instead of 1. 8 puddles to soak. Spoils: nothing Thok: nothing Siegecrafter: more mines Paragons: nothing Garrosh: nothing Typically the only changes come from increased health and damage. From my observations, there aren't really many other changes other than the ones I noted. Also, be prepared for a lot more input lag at the beginning of fights. I was cruising at 50-60 FPS in 10 man but I lumber down to 20-30 during 25 Heroic pulls because of all the shit going on. I dropped a few graphics from High to Good and I saw a notable increase, so be ready to do that. LFR and Flex isn't the best place to test this kinda stuff because heroic raiders use more abilities which generates more input lag. Be prepared to not optimize your DPS on a fight. I did more on 10 Heroic Immerseus because I did the adds. In this 25 man, I was told to burn Immerseus, so my DPS was lower. There are going to be lots of small changes with the way your new guild will do things. Focus not on your DPS but surviving and mastering new mechanics. Don't be afraid to volunteer for shit jobs. Definitely don't complain about loot. One thing I did to smooth into my guild was not make any mistakes. Sounds simple, but you REALLY have to focus on not screwing up at all. Do NOT miss any assignment and do not wipe the raid. Talk with your Warlocks. I created an entire channel for us to bullshit about Warlocks and also talk about strategies. I forget how to make a new channel, but I made it in channel 6. It's fun to type /6 and talk to only Warlocks who know about the channel in all green text. Also, be prepared for your DPS to seem higher than normal. You wouldn't believe the synergy all classes have together. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Khaos 5 Report post Posted November 21, 2013 Also, be prepared for your DPS to seem higher than normal. You wouldn't believe the synergy all classes have together. Slightly offtopic , but i'm switching to a 25m guild sometime soon aswell , and i've been wondering (by looking at logs), how in the hell are 25m numbers so much higher? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zagam 1,983 Report post Posted November 21, 2013 Higher class composition and CDs. For one, you don't have to worry about Curse of Elements unless no Rogues exist. Second, you have as many Stormlash Totems as there are Shamans. Since 10 mans usually don't have more than 1 Shaman, you'll always get bonus DPS here. Third, you have Warriors who provide Crit Banners. When done in rotation, you can have up to 10 seconds for each Warrior with 20% extra Crit damage, aka 20% more Chaos Bolt damage. I didn't play with a Warrior at all in my 10 man and now I have 3. You have more defensive CDs as a whole including Devotion Aura for each Paladin, Demo Banners from Warriors, Smoke Bombs from Rogues, etc. There's never an issue of buffs or debuffs...they're all there. This easily gives for more DPS. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kazistrasz 216 Report post Posted November 21, 2013 (edited) Thanks for help guys. I just have a lot to learn in a quick bit, so everything helps. Some of the guides out there are way too long-winded, haha. My new guild actually knows you, Zag. I'm joining <Deviant> Edited November 21, 2013 by Kazistrasza Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Oldtrout 7 Report post Posted November 21, 2013 (edited) We lost another gnome :( Don't really know how much you do of these on normal, but here's some handy stuff for the heroics I've done (we are 8/14 and should get shamans down this week) : Macros to target the must-kill adds: corrupted fragments on Sha, totems and banners on Galakras / Nazgrim, etc etc. Gateways and teleports. They are particularly useful on Sha, galakras (p1 gateway to help tower team move quickly, p2 place your telephone... lol autocorrect - at the back of the other group), shaman (just for oh shit), nazgrim to get the hell away from assassins, and obviously malk to stop falling damage. Another handy thing on Galakras is to always target the shaman while you're FnB'ing so you can instantly interrupt. Malkorok take soul link / sac vw and pop your big health cd in p2 to soak orbs, but not too quickly. Just a few then heal up and go again. Probably the only thing you'll actually fail on is the pacman on Sha, and you should be given a little leeway with that. The rest of the stuff is probably less important on 25 than 10 Good luck! Wait, no. I hope you crash and burn, horde scum. Edited November 21, 2013 by Oldtrout Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Khaos 5 Report post Posted November 21, 2013 You best be going Troll and updating your picture. But but but.... they look ugly with the CM set! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Omaric 246 Report post Posted November 21, 2013 But but but.... they look ugly with the CM set! EXCUSE MEH!!!??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Khaos 5 Report post Posted November 21, 2013 EXCUSE MEH!!!??? THAT SET. it is "MADE" for orcs , don't deny it! also i gotta move servers and eventually race change , can't afford it :( Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Omaric 246 Report post Posted November 21, 2013 I will deny it like the stubborn bastard I am. It actually looks fantastic on Worgen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zagam 1,983 Report post Posted November 21, 2013 I hate how it looks on my Troll. But...you do what you gotta do. As soon as this guild downs Heroic Thok, I'm considering going back Orc. Paragons and Garrosh are of no need of Berserking or Beast Slayer, so I might finally get my oversized shoulders back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kazistrasz 216 Report post Posted November 21, 2013 (edited) Apparently, you're an angry guy, Zag. They said something in mumble and I go, "oh, Zagam's a cool guy." "Wait, how do you know Zagam?" *nonchalantly* "Icy Veins." Oh, and of course I'm going troll. It's just going to take until probably Sunday. Won't be bringing my alts immediately, so farming to have all the gems and stuff I could need if I were to replace everything like twice. Also gotta give my current guild the news. Edited November 21, 2013 by Kazistrasza Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zagam 1,983 Report post Posted November 21, 2013 I had a blast with them except for two people in particular, none of which remain with the guild. It's kinda funny...I think you're replacing 2-3 people who quit to app to the same guild I'm in now. It's just a big game of musical chairs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Annoroth 5 Report post Posted November 21, 2013 THAT SET. it is "MADE" for orcs , don't deny it! also i gotta move servers and eventually race change , can't afford it Undead or bust on that CM set. If I ever PvP again, I'm going back to that, the bright green and demon-ness complements decaying flesh pretty well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zagam 1,983 Report post Posted November 21, 2013 Only thing to note: Snipers won't ever focus a Warlock. They always focus healers. If the Sniper focuses on you, it's already a wipe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kazistrasz 216 Report post Posted November 21, 2013 You guys are the most helpful ever! Thanks so much. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Calol 5 Report post Posted November 22, 2013 I love 25man the only problem is it requires more people to be competent. I've been tempted to switch servers and find a guild doing heroic as we tried Immers yesterday and couldn't even do him because my guild is retarded and likes to stand in shit and get hit by swirl. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhilColins 9 Report post Posted November 22, 2013 Only thing to note: Snipers won't ever focus a Warlock. They always focus healers. If the Sniper focuses on you, it's already a wipe. Are you certain of this? I can remember at least two times where I have been focused and no wipes were taking place. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belloc 6 Report post Posted November 22, 2013 My 25-man logs from last night agree. 3 pulls, every hunter's mark on every pull is on a healer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Omaric 246 Report post Posted November 22, 2013 My 25-man logs from last night agree. 3 pulls, every hunter's mark on every pull is on a healer. I'm getting the same thing through 5 attempts last night in 25's. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mediocregatsby 18 Report post Posted November 22, 2013 (edited) ditto, been farming heroic nazgrim for a long time and snipers always go for healers. assassins on the other hand, always go for ranged dps. ps welcome to 25 man raiding. so much better imo! Edited November 22, 2013 by mediocregatsby Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhilColins 9 Report post Posted November 22, 2013 Thanks for the clarification. Healers might be f-ing me over then. I'm gonna havta ask about it. I now understand your siegecrafter post somewhere Zagam. That fight is nuts. So glad to finally get to a REAL heroic boss. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kazistrasz 216 Report post Posted November 23, 2013 BTW, Zag. I'm very disappointed that you passed up the opportunity to say Welcome to the Machine instead of welcome to the Horde. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
