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Hi there, 

 

So the mistweaver monk in my guild is an awesome raider, she is never standing in fire, dodges the mechanics, and generally won't die to much of anything. This makes her an extremely valuable player in our group. Unfortunately, her numbers seem to be a bit low amongst our healers. None of my officers or myself have ANY experience playing a mistweaver, so we are at a stand still on how to help her. Granted, she just got her 4 piece and I'm sure they will increase once she learns how to utilize that a bit more, and she was also pretty sick when she was raiding this week, but I was hoping somebody could look these logs over and just give some helpful tips and tricks, and maybe see what she's doing (or should be doing) to increase her heals. Thank you so much in advance!

 

Logs:

 

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/a9JgAfm3bW2p8QjM

(^she bowed out on Archimonde due to sickness)

 

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JQXW1hxgFwZ7BdLy

 

This is her armory:

 

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/kilrogg/Sylinna/simple

Edited by Kopere
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I wouldn't call myself an expert on the topic, so I'll leave more specific advice to the experts. However I do have some experience with MW so hopefully I can give a few pointers. 

 

First thing I notice on the logs is that your MW is competing against 2 absorb classes (Disc priest and H Pally). In the Xhul'horac parse you're 4 healing it with I believe 17 people? Given how much you overgear that fight (most ilvls around 715+), 4 heals definitely feels like overkill. The way monk raid heals work is rather random; you spread Renewing Mist which then jumps to lowest health player within range. Your raid healing spell Uplift, that heals the people with your renewing mist on them. If you have other healers who are constantly shielding people, and a shaman who has a LOT of smart heals, most of monks healing here where you outgear the content is going to be overhealing.

 

Only thing I can say about spec is that I would go with Chi Torpedo over Rushing Jade Wind. It's SO powerful and costs no mana, and works well with the first tier Celerity.

The trinkets are a little weird, I'm not sure if they're just defaulted to her because that's all she can get? I'm sure there's better MW trinkets in HFC. From what I understand, haste and mastery are poor for MW in comparison to Multi & crit, and I don't think mana should be a problem to get much use from the second trinket (someone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong).

 

I find on my monk with so much available spirit, chi brew talent and mana tea, it's very very hard to go OOM. I think if her mana is comfortable she could be a lot more agressive with mana useage. For example, using surging mist on low people to generate more chi so she can be spending chi more agressively too. Personally I don't like the mana tea glyph, because it feels like you're forced to use mana tea on cd in order to make the most of your mana tea stacks. I feel like it's worth the cost to channel the tea for a few seconds of down time, as long as you remember to do it before you actually run out of mana.

 

Hopefully this helps, anyone feel free to correct me :)

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He/She needs more gear with multistrikes so that renewing mist management isn't as taxing. Considering multitrike is at around 1200, my guess is that the shaman's smart heals are eating away at her hps. Get her more MS and the lil panda should be ok.

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With enough spirit, Rushing Jade Wind is very powerful, and keeping it up during heavy raid-wide AoE is a LOT of healing.  The 4pc is not overkill, it is really powerful and can save peoples lives in a pinch by uplift > ReM immediately, putting the extend life on the person targeted with ReM BEFORE the Extend Life healing goes out, giving them a large amount of healing.  That being said, 4 healing a 17 man heroic kill with a disc and H Pally really doesn't help your MW numbers.  Their gear is not very well optimized, as they should be going for MS and then haste or crit wherever possible.  Glyph wise they need to get rid of the mana tea glyph immediately as it is a loss of mana to use.

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Thank you, I showed this to her, and she really appreciates all the input. We also know that Heroic is a joke now, and we overgear it by a lot. We're in the middle of building a mythic roster and we just happen to have recruited our mythic healers before we could finish out the DPS. This is highly encouraging going into mythic that maybe the numbers will see a drastic increase when the heals aren't getting soaked up.

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Mythic Mistweaver here! 

 

I have disagree with what was said about RJW earlier entirely, and in fact insist that you don't listen to it.

 

Rushing Jade Wind is the go-to talent for mistweaver on that tier and does absolutely astounding levels of healing if you use it correctly. On any fight where there are the number of targets necessary in range (on most fights if there's not stacking you can just go to melee to use it) it's a very strong heal. Off the top of my head there are moments on every fight where it can/should be used on heroic (in mythic there are even more mechanics which warrant practically using it the entire fight): 

 

Hellfire Assault: When a Gorebound Terror casts Felfire Volley. 

Fel Reaver: Position yourself in melee as much as possible and use RJW on Pounding, For Artillery on tanks - basically keep it up the entire fight during the ground phase. 

Hellfire High Council: On Felstorm, Ghost Phase, Mirror Images (ranged stack), Final Phase with all the marks.

Kilrogg: Death Throes in melee, or while moving as a group with ranged.

Kormrok: With careful positioning you can hit most of melee with it during Pound, Hands, Splash. Most of the damage on this is AOE, so you can use it for that. 

Gorefiend: If you manage your mana properly to start feast with 100% mana, you can and should keep 100% uptime on Rushing Jade Wind for feast of souls' duration. 

Shadow Lord Iskar: Fel Chakram AoE, Focused Blast

Socrethar: In melee in P1 as required, In p2 for the Apocalypse and as required. 

Tyrant Velhari: In melee after the Tempest to top them up, Every Edict, As often as possible and P2, and as much as P3 as possible.

Fel Lord Zakuun: Basically all of the disarmed phase and when seeds are going out and the final burn.

Xhul'horac: For Black Hole (help soak yourself, with it up), And during the final burn as often as possble. 

Mannoroth: Not much use as first, but when he awakens and the raid stacks by his side, for Fel Hellstorm, After Gaze, In the final phase basically all the time. 

Archimonde: The raid should be stacked as soon as desecrate starts, so for Desecrate, Allure, Shackled Torment, Any stray Wroughts going through the raid, Demonic Feedback, Rain of Chaos - RJW can and should be used for all of these. 

 

As you can see, RJW is a huge healing boost and is on-demand and just requires a little thinking about positioning. As a Mistweaver you can be in melee, so you should whenever you can for using RJW to get the most out of it if there's no ranged stacking. Good RJW is in fact a large part of being a good mistweaver. 

 

In addition, your MW has the 4 set, and the 4 set is a huge source of healing for us. She should be using Renewing Mist on people who are taking, or will soon be taking damage, and trying to keep uptime on the Extend Life buff on the currently active tank as a sort of beacon of light. This makes RJW even stronger a choice, as it generates chi which you can then spend on Uplift and not only do more healing from that, but more healing through extend life. 

 

Since your MW will not be using Chi Torpedo, she should be using Tiger's Lust instead of Celerity, since it's an excellent raid utility to be able to use and is also one of the marks of a good mistweaver. 

 

Trinket-wise the demonic phylactery is very strong for mistweaver, as it reduces the cost of RJW, which is otherwise very costly. It's a good choice all round. 

 

I do agree that the mana tea glyph HAS to go, and that she should be more aggressive. This should mostly be covered with more aggressive use of RJW. 

 

If you'd like a log to look at and compare and see what sort of differences there are between our healing that she can examine and see what she needs to do more or less of, here's a link to one of my own hc mannoroth kills: 

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/tVvDxK1BycaNYrp8#fight=1&type=healing

 

And here's the HC Archimonde: 

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/tVvDxK1BycaNYrp8#fight=3&type=healing

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