felrune

Simc dps versus live dps

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I did a simulationcraft on myself with current gear and it says I should be about 73k. Meters running during raid show me at about 50k to 55k at most. Does this sound like the correct margin of error for perfect execution versus real world? Should I theoretically be higher than that in actual dps and I might be missing something?

 

I am 716 ilevel equipped. 

 

First post here, just looking for any help. Let me know if need any other information.

 

Normal Mannoroth log - http://www.askmrrobot.com/wow/combatlog/ea9fe101-b98b-4b96-91a2-f086528451d9/report/7#v=0,d=0,c=50

 

Normal Archi log - http://www.askmrrobot.com/wow/combatlog/ea9fe101-b98b-4b96-91a2-f086528451d9/report/13#v=0,d=0,c=50

 

Armory - http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/kargath/Felrune/simple(it currently shows blood which is what I logged out in. Will switch later.)

 

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first, never look at your simmed dps. It assumes absolutely perfect rotations perfect execution 100% uptime and even then they frankly aren't always correct or all that good. There were times where sims preferred certain builds but in live play other builds just trumped them all together.

 

2nd. warcraft logs is a bit better of a place to get logs from. the ones you linked aren't bad but are lacking in a lot of information that warcraft logs can do.

 

3rd. Manny and Archi are just kinda rough on DK fights as far as dps goes. They are usually my worst just from movement mechanics and having difficulty lining stuff up so keep that in mind.

 

as far as what I can see, the only first glaring place for improvement is your disease uptime. now with various changes diseases aren't as powerful as they once were but they are still valuable. averaged together you only have about 70% disease uptime on both bosses. With frost howling blast spam and plague strike to dump unholy runes you should have 100% uptime. or at least high 90%. 

 

I also feel your soul reaper count could be a bit higher. once the boss is 35% soul reaper should be your number 1 priority. mannoroth is a big meat shield so there is a lot of time spent in his kill range. archi i can sorta see not getting off as many because after 1st banish you have to deal with infernals and breaking chains and not getting hit by meteors, so a little more understandable.

 

so better diseases more soul reaper. I couldn't see how many times you used plague leech but that is valuable to maximize its usage. I might also recommend switching to blood tap over runic empower. It gives you on demand runes and specifically in kill range always guarantees you can have a rune for soul reaper to poop it again. Also try and pick up empty drinking horn off of many. It has great synergy with dw frost.

 

So in general you are doing fairly well but these two fights are a bit bad for dps measurement. and frankly no hellfire boss really is a good meat stick measuring boss (maybe socrethar.... maybe). But for manny and archi there are a lot of mechanics and alternate targets and that, so always focus more on mechanics then raw deeps. otherwise there are a couple areas previously noted where you could improve a little :D, hope i helped. 

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Thank you for your reply!

 

I will get some logs to warcraft logs and see if it doesn't show better. The ones I linked were older than I thought they were. I didn't realize I didn't have new ones running. 

 

I tried Blood Tap but switched back to Runic Corruption because it is hard to hit with my keyboard setup. I am going to get an MMO mouse and put Blood Tap on there. My current mouse has all my interrupts on it and it is out of buttons :(

 

I think there might be something missing with my priority rotation in there. You brought up using Unholy runes on Plague Strike when I was taught to use Unholy on Obliterate. I use Obliterate when I have a Killing Machine proc and not enough runic power for Frost Strike. It always feels like I am using it more than I want to. I have read of people storing Runic Power to use on Killing Machine proc but I get Killing Machine proc right away almost. No time to store it seems. 

 

I thought I have been following all the wonderful guides out there but it just feels like my DPS is way low so trying whatever I can to bring it up. Thank you again!

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Thank you for your reply!

 

I will get some logs to warcraft logs and see if it doesn't show better. The ones I linked were older than I thought they were. I didn't realize I didn't have new ones running. 

 

I tried Blood Tap but switched back to Runic Corruption because it is hard to hit with my keyboard setup. I am going to get an MMO mouse and put Blood Tap on there. My current mouse has all my interrupts on it and it is out of buttons sad.png

 

I think there might be something missing with my priority rotation in there. You brought up using Unholy runes on Plague Strike when I was taught to use Unholy on Obliterate. I use Obliterate when I have a Killing Machine proc and not enough runic power for Frost Strike. It always feels like I am using it more than I want to. I have read of people storing Runic Power to use on Killing Machine proc but I get Killing Machine proc right away almost. No time to store it seems. 

 

I thought I have been following all the wonderful guides out there but it just feels like my DPS is way low so trying whatever I can to bring it up. Thank you again!

 

For dual wield obliterate usage now has been debated a lot. From combining information from various sites, I only use obliterate when I have 2 unholy runes available, a km proc, and low rune power. It's basically thrown in, in order to keep up your 2 piece bonus. After that all km procs should go to frost strike. 

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I think my problem might then be that I will still use Obliterate with a Killing Machine proc to get Runic Power.

 

I have the T18 4 set bonus so I figured it was OK because the chance of consuming the Killing Machine with Obliterate was low.

 

I guess my confusion comes from when to use Obliterate and with what. If I have a Killing Machine proc and not enough Runic Power to do Frost Strike, and no Unholy runes, what do I cast? Howling Blast? If I want to avoid using Obliterate, how do I use it to get a Rime proc. 

 

If I had Blood Tap, I might be able to get out of that but while I don't I want to make sure I make the right decision.

 

Sorry if I am dense but I just have that feeling that I have been doing something wrong and want to correct it. I got new logs from Heroic Mannoroth fight but keep forgetting to upload them so I will add that to this post tonight. 

 

Thank you

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