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HotS: Garden of Terror Game Length, Opportunity Costs, Heroes Funny and WP Moments Ep. 67

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Garden of Terror games are getting out of control! We'll also preview opportunity costs, closing with another funny episode of WP & Funny Moments.

Garden of Terror - Game Lengths

Garden of Terror games are getting out of control. Some game instances last from 40 up to 60 minutes, which is why a user on reddit asked if Blizzard plans to fix it in the near future. The developers are aware of this issue and here's an answer by trikslyr:

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40 minutes?! Holy macaroni!

Long games on Garden of Terror is something we're aware of. There's an issue in which the Garden Terror is dealing a little less than the intended amount of damage against structures, and we have a fix planned for an upcoming patch.

We're also internally exploring some other slight changes to shorten games. Those adjustments may come at a later date, if needed.

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Move + Mount Fix Underway

A user pointed out that the Chromie patch messed up the previous model of being able to click "Move", press mount and automatically continue moving the moment you're mounted. Trikslyr reported that a fix is in the works.

Blizzard LogoTrikslyr

We're looking into it right now. Thanks for bringing it to our attention.

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Understanding Opportunity Costs

Gorejaw has published an interesting thread on reddit, where he talks about opportunity costs. He talks about how every action in the game affects its outcome. Below is a preview and the full guide is available here.

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Introduction

Hello, I am Gorejaws. I’m #10 on the February leaderboard and multiple season challenger in LoL and I’m here to give you some tips on how to climb the ladder. I’m writing this guide because of other guides that I’ve seen in this subreddit that don’t necessarily help you make better decisions, and instead just give you some bullet points.

For example “don’t forget to soak”, “soak is the most important thing to do”, “always soak before 10”, or any other variation of it. Let me preface this guide with an anecdote of mine from solo queue:

The map was infernal shrines, it was the early game (we were maybe level 2 or 3), we had our one top and the other four clearing bot and mid (I don’t remember the exact comps we had but it’s not relevant to the point I’m making). We crashed the wave bot and were headed to clear mid when we catch three of the enemies heading to clear/soak the wave bottom. Naturally we pick the fight and start handedly winning it leaving the three of them at really low health. The other person they had mid now joins the fight, but that’s fine. We got the jump on them and had a significant HP advantage, he’s just trying to save/body-block for his teammates or maybe snipe one of our own low health members. The fight lasted long enough that the person they had top came all the way down and cleaned up. I told our top that if he had come we would’ve gotten several kills if not aced them, all he had to do was follow his lane opponent. Keep in mind that he had the same amount of time as the enemy who was top to get down there. His response was: “always soak before 10” as if he were following some kind of flowchart. So that’s the problem that I have with those kind of guides. They don’t help you make good decisions, they only give you some kind of algorithm and/or flowchart that you’re supposed to follow and hope for the best.

Opportunity cost

Every action you take in the game has an opportunity cost. Whether that action is soaking a lane, doing a merc camp, a talent choice, tapping the well, hearthing back, etc., doesn’t matter, they all have an opportunity cost. The opportunity cost of an action is what you sacrifice when you choose to take one action over another (i.e. soaking vs. fighting).

In the anecdote above I’m sure that if our top laner would’ve joined the fight we would have gotten at least three kills with the possibility of acing them. For the sake of argument let’s say that we would’ve gotten three kills with zero casualties. Therefore the opportunity cost of him soaking top lane was at least: + 3 kills, - 4 deaths, - 1 wave worth of experience (at most). So the opportunity cost of soaking that one wave worth of experience was a net swing of 7 kills worth of experience (since we were the same level). I think it’s clear that the best choice here was to go join the fight. Of course this is just an anecdote but I’m sure that you will find very similar situations in many of your games when it will come down to decisions like these. The point to be made here is that you need to evaluate every single decision you make independently from what happened in a different game. You will have to take into account the map in play, team compositions, sometimes even a player’s attitude, and a bunch of other factors before you make a decision. “Always soak before 10” and “only fight on objectives” are good general guidelines and good for beginners, but if you really want to improve you need to be able to punish your enemy’s mistakes and/or proactively make a play, which sometimes will involve sacrificing soak or fighting out of an objective.

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Heroes Funny and WP Moments Ep. 67

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I'm sick of trying to get the attention of this game's devs to just see how they actually think about some of the problems players have. 

I got no response, neither on forums nor twitter. So sick of it that I stopped playing the game...

Gonna miss you Ultimate EvolutionUltimate Evolution...

 

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33 minutes ago, mnime said:

I'm sick of trying to get the attention of this game's devs to just see how they actually think about some of the problems players have. 

I got no response, neither on forums nor twitter. So sick of it that I stopped playing the game...

Gonna miss you Ultimate EvolutionUltimate Evolution...

 

Often, they read the stuff we write but don't respond to it. I don't know whether it's because of time problems, but they will normally only reply when there is a larger group of people agreeing with what one person says. 

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I think the dev team reads pretty much everything, they just don't have time to reply. The player - Blizzard feedback (in other words, how much Blizz listens to player concerns) is imo invaluable and one of the best I've seen in modern day gaming industry.

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      Base
      Death Coil [Q] Mana: 40. Cooldown: 9 seconds. Deals 164 damage to target enemy. Can be self-cast to heal for 262 health. Howling Blast [W] Mana: 50. Cooldown: 10 seconds. Root enemies within the target area for 1.25 seconds and deals 68 damage. Frozen Tempest [E] Mana: 13 per second. Cooldown: 1 second. Deals 36 damage per second to nearby enemies and Slow their Movement Speed by 10% per second, stacking up to 40%. Heroes hit also have their Attack Speed Slowed by 10% per second, stacking up to 40%. Frozen Tempest's effects last for 1.5 seconds. Army of the Dead [R] Charge Cooldown: 18 seconds. Consume all charges to summon an equal number of Ghouls that last 15 seconds and attack for 20 damage. Ghouls can be sacrificed to heal Arthas for 240 Health. Stores up to 6 charges. Every time an enemy minion dies nearby, reduce the charge cooldown of this ability by 1 second. Takedowns reduce the charge cooldown of this ability by 6 seconds. Summon Sindragosa [R] Mana: 100. Cooldown: 100 seconds. Deals 230 damage and Slows enemies by 60% for 4 seconds. Also disables Minions, Mercenaries, Monsters, and Structures for 20 seconds. Frostmourne Hungers [D] Cooldown: 12 seconds. Activate to make Arthas' next Basic Attack strike immediately and deal 71 bonus damage. Dealing damage restores 40 Mana. QUEST: Killing a Minion or hitting a Hero with Frostmourne Hungers permanently increases its bonus damage and Arthas' Basic Attack damage by 1. Talents
      Level 1 Frost Presence Increase the area of Howling Blast by 20%. QUEST: Root enemy Heroes with Howling Blast. REWARD: After Rooting 15 Heroes, Howling Blast's range is increased by 20% and it hits enemies in its path. REWARD: After Rooting 30 Heroes, Death Coil Slows Heroes hit by 50% for 0.75 seconds. Borean Winds After Frozen Tempest has been active for 2 seconds, Arthas gains 10% Movement Speed. PASSIVE: Frozen Tempest's Slowing effects last an additional 0.5 seconds and its Mana cost is reduced by 4 per second. Rime Every 5 seconds, gain 75 Physical Armor against the next enemy Hero Basic Attack, reducing the damage taken by 75%. Stores up to 3 charges. PASSIVE: While Arthas is Slowed, Rooted, or Stunned he heals 24 Health a second. Level 4 Shattered Armor Enemy Heroes hit by Howling Blast have their Armor reduced by 15 for 4 seconds. Icy Talons Gain 3% Attack Speed for 2 seconds every time a Hero is damaged by Frozen Tempest, to a maximum of 60%. Frost Strike Frostmourne Hungers deals an additional 115 Ability damage in an area and slows Heroes hit by 20% for 2 seconds. Level 7 Immortal Coil Gain the healing effect of Death Coil even when used on enemies. If Death Coil is used on Arthas, it heals for an additional 75% bonus healing and its cooldown is reduced by 3 seconds. Rune Tap Every 3rd Basic Attack heals Arthas for 5% of his max Health. PASSIVE: Each stack of Frostmourne Hungers increases Arthas' Maximum Health by 10. Icebound Fortitude Cooldown: 35 seconds. Activate to gain 25 Armor and reduce the duration of Stuns, Slows, and Roots against Arthas by 75% for 3 seconds. Each Hero Rooted by Howling Blast reduces the cooldown of this ability by 2 seconds. Level 13 Deathlord If Death Coil is used on an enemy Hero, launch an additional Death Coil at a nearby enemy Hero. PASSIVE: Death Coil deals more damage the lower Arthas' current Health is, to a maximum of 50% bonus damage. Deathchill Howling Blast's damage is increased by 2 for each stack of Frostmourne Hungers. Howling Blast deals 100% additional damage and Roots for an additional 0.25 seconds against Heroes under 50% health. Biting Cold Each second an enemy is damaged by Frozen Tempest, it deals 15% bonus damage, up to 75% bonus damage. Level 16 Remorseless Winter Enemy Heroes that remain within Frozen Tempest for 2.5 seconds are Rooted for 1.25 seconds and heal Arthas for 3% of his maximum Health. This effect has an 8 second cooldown per target. Frostmourne Feeds Reduce the cooldown of Frostmourne Hungers by 6 seconds. Arthas heals for 75% of the Basic Attack damage dealt by Frostmourne Hungers. Anti-Magic Shell Cooldown 60 seconds. Activate to make Arthas immune to Spell Damage for 4 seconds and heal Arthas for 25% of the damage prevented. Level 20 Legion of Northrend Reduce Army of the Dead's charge cooldown by 5 seconds. Each charge consumed spawns an additional Ghoul to attack nearby enemies. These Ghouls cannot be sacrificed. Absolute Zero Sindragosa flies twice as far. Enemy Heroes are Rooted for 2.5 seconds, and then Slowed by 60% for 4 seconds. Death Pact Instantly double your stacks of Frostmourne Hungers, but it no longer gains stacks from hitting Heroes or killing Minions. PASSIVE: Takedowns grant 2 stacks of Frostmourne Hungers. Path of Frost Activate to instantly mount with 10% additional Movement Speed. Taking damage does not dismount Arthas from this mount. Lasts up to 5 seconds. When Arthas dismounts, Slow all nearby enemies by 30% for 2 seconds and deal 66 damage. Chen
      Base
      Keg Smash [W] Breath of Fire initial damage lowered from 85 to 40. Breath of Fire duration increased from 3 seconds to 6 seconds. Breath of Fire no longer costs Energy. Keg Smash energy cost increased to 35 from 30. Fortifying Brew [D] Drinking now stops additional commands for a fraction of a second. Talents
      Level 1 Accumulating Flames Moved from Level 4 to Level 1. REWORK: Quest: Gain stacks from hitting Heroes with DoT damage from Breath of Fire. Each stack provides 0.25 damage. At 20 damage, Keg Smash becomes ranged. Mythic Reward: At 75 damage, Breath of Fire lowers enemy armor by 20 and is refreshed from Chen's Basic Attacks. Level 4 Eye of the Tiger Moved from Level 1 to Level 4. Level 7 Elusive Brawler Movement Speed reduced from 30% to 20%. Level 10 Wandering Keg Cooldown increased from 50 seconds to 60 seconds. Level 13 Pressure Point Slow duration increased from 1 second to 1.5 seconds. Deathwing
      Base
      Onslaught [E] Cooldown increased from 5 seconds to 6 seconds. Dragonflight [Z] Cooldown increased from 15 seconds to 20 seconds. Talents
      Level 16 Gaze onto Destruction Duration reduced from 5 seconds to 3.5 seconds. Falstad
      Talents
      Level 1 Frequent Flyer Range to receive kill credit reduced from 14 to 8.5. Garrosh
      Base
      Wrecking Ball [E] Range reduced from 6.5 to 6. Search range reduced from 2.5 to 2.25. Talents
      Level 1 Unrivaled Strength Ranged bonus reduced from 20% to 15%. Gazlowe
      Base
      Rock-It! Turret [Q] Turret Health increased from 510 to 600. Mal'Ganis
      Base
      Necrotic Embrace [W] Now benefits double the amount from Vampiric Touch. No longer provides Armor for 3 seconds. Talents
      Level 1 Will of Tichondrius Moved from Level 7 to Level 1. REWORK: Hit Heroes with Fel Claws to gain 0.5 damage. Hit 4 Heroes in the first two swipes to cause the last wipe to provide 2 additional damage. Upon reaching 40 stacks, Fel Claws now steals 4% health from opponents and stuns for an additional 0.5 Seconds. Level 4 Vampiric Aura Moved from Level 1 to Level 4. Self healing increased from 30% to 40% and healing of nearby Allies increased from 15% to 20%. Might of Sargeras Now provides 25 Armor for 3 seconds when using Necrotic Embrace. Level 7 Fueled by Torment Moved from Level 4 to Level 7. Now causes Necrotic Embrace to Slow by 25% for 3 seconds. Medivh
      Talents
      Level 1 Winds of Celerity Movement speed bonus increased from 50% to 75%. Raven's Intellect Bonus increased from 75% to 125%. Level 4 Raven Familiar Slow reduced from 30% to 20%. Level 7 Force of Magic Spell Power increased from 30% to 35%. Level 13 Circle of Protection No longer increases the cooldown of Force of Will. Level 20 Guardian of Tirisfal Now also increases the range of Arcane Rift by 50%. Muradin
      Base
      It's Hammer Time! [Q] Muradin gains 5 stacks if a target dies within 3 seconds of being hit by Storm Bolt. Stack requirement for pierce increased from 40 to 45. Talents
      Level 20 Mountain King Dwarf Toss cooldown increased by 2 seconds. Thunder Clap cooldown increased by 2 seconds. Thrall
      Talents
      Level 1 Crash Lightning Amount stacks lost on death reduced from 6 to 4. Echo of the Elements Damage done by the chain lightning bounces rewarded from obtaining the Mythic Reward reduced from 85 to 70. Tyrande
      Base
      Lunar Flare [E] Tyrande gains 1 stack if the target dies within 3 seconds of being hit. Mythic Reward now also increases attack range by 1. Lunar flare damage from hitting a hero reduced from 4% to 3.5%. Talents
      Level 20 Commander of Sentinels Cooldown of Sentinel increased by 3 seconds. Return to Top
      Bug Fixes
      General
      Fixed an issue that caused Unstoppable targets to not be immune to Blinds. Maps
      General Fixed an issue that caused Bosses to attack Summoned units. Blackheart's Bay Fixed an issue that caused the AI to have issues turning in coins. Heroes
      D.Va Base Defense Matrix [W] D.Va's Mech will now retarget Defense Matrix when controlled by an AI. Deathwing Base Dragonflight [Z] Fixed an issue that caused Dragonflight's cooldown to increase upon taking damage to only occur when the cooldown is below 4 seconds. Garrosh Level 4 In For the Kill Fixed an issue that caused In For the Kill to not completely reset the cooldown of Bloodthirst. Gul'dan Base Drain Life [W] Fixed an issue that caused Drain Life to not always be interrupted if the target leaves its range. Jaina Base Improved Ice Block [1] Fixed an issue that caused Improved Ice Block and Ice Cold to not be used correctly by AI-controlled Jaina. Kael'thas Level 20 Rebirth Fixed an issue that caused Rebirth to not be used correctly by AI-controlled Kael'thas. Li Li Base Cloud Serpent [W] Fixed an issue that caused Cloud Serpent to not be made visible when damaging a target while in the Fog of War. Medivh Level 10 Poly Bomb Fixed an issue that caused Poly Bomb to not be used correctly by AI-controlled Medivh. Nazeebo Level 13 Superstition Fixed an issue that caused Superstition to display a blank ability for the damage dealt by its Corpse Spider. Samuro Base Mirror Image [Q] Mirror Images will no longer move towards Samuro's attack move target point on creation. Mirror Images will now properly have their AI enabled when Samuro has their AI enabled. Thrall Base Feral Spirit [W] Fixed an issue that caused Feral Spirit to not be extended correctly if it is about to expire. Return to Top
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    • Elitesparkle
      Heroes of the Storm PTR Update: January 16
      By Elitesparkle
      Blizzard released a new PTR patch for Heroes of the Storm and here are the unofficial Patch Notes with all the datamined changes.
      Map Updates
      Volskaya Foundry
      Objective
      Triglav Protector Damage bonus when both slots are occupied reduced from 45% to 35%. Cooldown reduction when both slots are occupied reduced from 40% to 35%. Triglav Gunner Damage bonus when both slots are occupied reduced from 45% to 35%. Cooldown reduction when both slots are occupied reduced from 40% to 35%. Energy Regeneration when both slots are occupied reduced from 40% to 35%. Balance Updates
      Azmodan
      Base
      Globe of Annihilation [Q] Upon reaching 225 Annihilation, also removes the damage reduction against Monsters. Deathwing
      Stats
      Attack Damage increased from 110 to 117. Talents
      Level 1 Molten Blood Additional functionality: Now grants Form Switch, which can be activated to swap Form. Level 7 Firestorm Cooldown reduction for Deathwing's landing Abilities increased from 2 to 3 seconds. Jaina
      Base
      Frostbite [Trait] Additional functionality: Ice Cold now also gives Unstoppable and immunity to damage over time effects for the duration. Kerrigan
      Base
      Ravage [Q] Minions no longer have to die within 1.5 seconds of being hit by Ravage to grant stacks. Kerrigan now gains stacks when Minions die within 3 range. Time window for cooldown refund reduced from 1.5 to 0.75 seconds. Baseline Quest requirements increased from 85/150 to 100/250. After reaching 100 stacks, enemy Heroes killed grant 14 stacks. Muradin
      Base
      Storm Bolt [Q] Baseline Quest requirements increased from 35/150 to 50/200. Talents
      Level 7 Perfect Storm Additional functionality: The cooldown cannot be reset more than once every 10 seconds. Level 20 Mountain King New: Thunder Clap and Dwarf Toss have an extra charge. Rewind Removed. Tyrande
      Stats
      Mana increased from 450 to 500. Mana Regeneration increased from 2.7 to 3 per second. Base
      Sentinel [W] Mana cost increased from 50 to 55. Lunar Flare [E] Mana cost increased from 60 to 65. Shadowstalk [R1] Mana cost increased from 75 to 85. Starfall [R2] Mana cost increased from 75 to 85. Yrel
      Base
      Divine Purpose [D] Cooldown reduced from 16 to 8 seconds. Zagara
      Talents
      Level 16 Mutalisk Mutalisk's Health decay reduced from 42 to 10 per second. Mutalisk duration effectively increased from 10 to 42 seconds. Bug Fixes
      Fixed an issue causing Doubloon Camps on Blackheart's Bay to be impossible to capture under certain conditions. Fixed an issue causing Anub'arak's Beetles to still have a duration, in addition to losing their Health over time. Fixed an issue causing the Health decay for Azmodan's Demon Warriors to not scale with levels.  Fixed an issue causing Deathwing's Baseline Quest to reset when using Dragonflight. Fixed an issue causing Deathwing's Lava Burst to deal damage after an additional 0.25 seconds. Fixed an issue causing Gazlowe's Rock-It! Turrets to not lose their Health over time. Fixed an issue causing the tooltip for Jaina's Ice Cold to not show correctly. Fixed an issue causing Muradin's Storm Bolt to deal 1 more damage for each stack. Fixed an issue causing the range splat for Muradin's Dwarf Toss to not be visible. Fixed an issue causing Muradin's Skullcraker to Stun before Muradin's post-damage effects happened. Fixed an issue causing the Health Regeneration of Murky's Egg to not scale with levels. Fixed an issue causing Tyrande's Sentinel to not be correctly affected by cooldown reduction effects.
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