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Beast Mastery Hunter 7.3

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This thread is for comments about our Beast Mastery Hunter guide for Legion.

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What makes Chimaera Shot better than Stomp?

I get that Stomp is Physical damage while Chimaera is Nature/Frost, meaning the damage from Stomp gets partially mitigated by armor, but Stomp just seems to do way more damage on single target and even better on AoE regardless. It's technically on a 12s cd compared to Chimaera Shot's 9s cd but I'm not sure how much that improves it, and Dire Beast gets resets every so often too.

Am I missing something? Or is the +focus from Chimaera Shot really just that good?

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Hey, how do you figure chimera shot is better than Stomp? With all my testing I do have Stomp being ahead by 11%; single target. I do have 21% haste in the beta (chimera 7,43 sec; Dire Beast 9,91 sec, not sure why Dire Beast is still this high) even without any proccs of wild call, Stomp will do more dmg overall. If you have at least two targets, this isn´t even in the same ballpark. I do have Stomp at an average of 136k and chimera at 61k (2x). And yes with Chimera you will have more focus to burn, and with Stomp there will be downtime, if you do have bad luck with Wild call proccs, still, but with all the testing I have done, it shows to be ahead by around 8% (single target)

And maybe theoretically bestail fury should be better than One with the pack and not so procc dependend, but here also, if you do get the 15% more proccs via One with the pack, Stomp will deliver more Dmg than those 15% extra during Bestial Wrath, especially if you do have at least 2 targets. Plus the regular Bestial Wrath will be up more often, because of the increase of Dire Beast usage.

Maybe you can clear up, where my thinking is wrong.

Thx,

Prux

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56 minutes ago, Guest Chimera/Stomp said:

Hey, how do you figure chimera shot is better than Stomp? With all my testing I do have Stomp being ahead by 11%; single target. ... but with all the testing I have done, it shows to be ahead by around 8% (single target)

I am sorry, 11% was the overall Dmg plus I got using Stomp instead of Chimera, including Dmg plus for Cobra Shot, etc. 8% if you just compare the Stomp Dmg to the Chimera Dmg.

Thx Prux

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Yes, I was wondering the same thing. Very surprised to see Chimera Shot showing as being viable.

I was going to pick it anyway just because it's the most fun talent, but it would be cool to understand the reasoning in those guides sometimes, something more than just "this is better" and "this is worse."

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Way of the cobra was bugged as of the last couple beta builds. If you take the talent make sure it is working before you hit an instance or raid.

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23 minutes ago, Guest Popdee said:

Some of the talents are wrong... I have some stuff completely different lol

That's because the pre-patch isn't live yet.

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I am new. 

 

I 'tamed' some pets by clicking a little icon and blowing kisses at them.

 

Today, the little icon seems missing.  I don't know how to tame a pet now after the update.

 

If the little icon is still there, where can I find it to put it back on the action bar?

 

Thanks.  :)

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You have abilities listed as the "proper choice" on the talents page and then have other abilities (sometimes what you've called the worst choice) being shown as high priority in the rotation page.

Like Barrage.  Barrage in my testing is twice the damage of both Cobra and Auto.  Crows has a substantially longer cooldown and Volley is a constant Focus drain where Focus relies on Dire Beast/Frenzy resets.

Stomp provides excessively more damage than Dire Frenzy with Chimaera being the lowest dps.  But Dire Frenzy is also cosmetic to get rid of Dire Beasts.   

Killer Cobra gives many more Kill Commands under Bestial Wrath which is up quite a lot especially paired with Aspect of the Wild.  Stampede requires a static target as any movement or facing will waste the damage since it's a straight line and no longer follows the target.

Posthaste is freedom plus a speed boost while Farstrider is extra resets of a 20 second cooldown ability with a shortened leap distance sans glyph. So moving faster every 20 seconds versus lots of random jumping?

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Chimaera and Stomp are extremely close single-target, with Chimaera narrowly winning out. Unless you have simulations that show the contrary that are better than my own, then your anecdotal experience and in-game testing is not worth a single thing, actually.

The same goes for everyone challenging the guide on its choice of talents. You can't just come and claim something is better, you must prove it. The best way to do that is with sims. If not with sims, then you must have a reasonable case for why simulations are not adequate.

If you have done simulations, my mistake, but you haven't linked them so it's pretty hard for me to verify what you're saying when you're just saying "this is how it is and you're wrong". 

I can tell you right now that Dire Frenzy is miles behind both Stomp and Chimaera for absolutely everything. Just as Killer Cobra is quite a bit behind Stampede, and Barrage is fairly terrible for Beast Mastery when Crows benefits from Mastery.

If you can prove me wrong, I welcome it.

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Hey! Thanks for putting this guide together so quick! I admit that I've been pretty lost today, missing traps and camouflage among other things. :(

Could you explain why you include Barrage in the rotations when you initially say to choose Volley? I might've missed a part somewhere. Thanks again!

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In your guide at trinket ranking is the class trinket listed as the worst one. At ask-mr-robot is the class trinket listes as the best one. So what now?!

And are you sure to going haste as main stat? I think Mastery or Versatility is the better choice.

What is in your opinion the better spec, mm or bm (actual patch with t18 in hfc) ?

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Good Morning! Thanks for the guide.
What would be the ideal percentages:
Haste?
Versatility?
Mastery?

I would also like to know, what will be more interesting if the MM or BM, given that I liked more the BM, but I was forced to play in WOD MM.

 

Thanks

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11 hours ago, Guest Lapi said:

In your guide at trinket ranking is the class trinket listed as the worst one. At ask-mr-robot is the class trinket listes as the best one. So what now?!

And are you sure to going haste as main stat? I think Mastery or Versatility is the better choice.

What is in your opinion the better spec, mm or bm (actual patch with t18 in hfc) ?

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8 hours ago, SimonPhoenix said:

Good Morning! Thanks for the guide.
What would be the ideal percentages:
Haste?
Versatility?
Mastery?

I would also like to know, what will be more interesting if the MM or BM, given that I liked more the BM, but I was forced to play in WOD MM.

 

Thanks

No such thing as ideal percentages in the real world.

I am not sure what your second question is, sorry.

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Hey dude! Great guide for beginners.

Although some of your statements are just making me pissed off. Can you please explain why BM is considered worse than MM? Considering rotations, cd's and everything, BM felt much more smooth than MM to be honest. Most of MM talents have this small area of usefullness during a 8 min fight, yet all viable BM talents have great use in them, and dps never drops even when RNJesus decides to leave you alone, yet your cd's make you go literally wild.

Second, how is Chimera Shot better than Stomp? Even against a single target (a situtaion rarely happens) simple math tells you stomp is way better, even without mentioning the cosmetic part.

Great job again, but a bit confusing statements for lovers of this spec.

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1 minute ago, Guest lavascha said:

Hey dude! Great guide for beginners.

Although some of your statements are just making me pissed off. Can you please explain why BM is considered worse than MM? Considering rotations, cd's and everything, BM felt much more smooth than MM to be honest. Most of MM talents have this small area of usefullness during a 8 min fight, yet all viable BM talents have great use in them, and dps never drops even when RNJesus decides to leave you alone, yet your cd's make you go literally wild.

Second, how is Chimera Shot better than Stomp? Even against a single target (a situtaion rarely happens) simple math tells you stomp is way better, even without mentioning the cosmetic part.

Great job again, but a bit confusing statements for lovers of this spec.

I don't have an answer to part 1, I'm sure Azor will, but he has answered about Chimera vs. Stomp:

21 hours ago, Azortharion said:

Chimaera and Stomp are extremely close single-target, with Chimaera narrowly winning out. Unless you have simulations that show the contrary that are better than my own, then your anecdotal experience and in-game testing is not worth a single thing, actually.

The same goes for everyone challenging the guide on its choice of talents. You can't just come and claim something is better, you must prove it. The best way to do that is with sims. If not with sims, then you must have a reasonable case for why simulations are not adequate.

If you have done simulations, my mistake, but you haven't linked them so it's pretty hard for me to verify what you're saying when you're just saying "this is how it is and you're wrong". 

I can tell you right now that Dire Frenzy is miles behind both Stomp and Chimaera for absolutely everything. Just as Killer Cobra is quite a bit behind Stampede, and Barrage is fairly terrible for Beast Mastery when Crows benefits from Mastery.

If you can prove me wrong, I welcome it.

 

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      Volcanic is a joke now that probably needs to be reworked. It isn’t threatening and half the time it doesn’t even require you to move.
      Quaking for the most part is ok but can be devastating on boss fights where you absolutely need your Prydaz, Xavaric's Magnum Opus shield up to live through certain mechanics. There isn’t a way to play around that currently. If Quaking always did damage to your hp pool directly instead of eating shields, I think it would improve the affix a lot.
      Mittbitt : I feel that Tyrannical needs some tuning, possibly by dropping the hp that bosses receive and beefing up trash more. However, Tyrannical boss hp and abilities get out of control much sooner, and honestly are the least enjoyable mythic plus weeks where we typically farm 20-24 keys.
       
      What’s your favorite, least favorite and funniest “trick” you’ve used in the past to get that tier done in time?
      Jdotb: My favorite trick would have to be keeping the cats in the front of DHT from jumping. That made the instance so much less frustrating.
      Least favorite trick is delaying on the second platform of Viz’aduum. He always targets me with the disintegrate so I have to spend a minute or two running back and forth between two spots.
      Funniest trick was probably taunting Ularogg to keep him from going underground (has since been fixed) - if you were successful, he would instantly punch you really hard and probably kill you on higher keys, so the taunt “winner” would usually be the dead guy.
       
      That's it for the first part of this interview, we had to cut it up into two for, well, obvious reasons! Huge thanks to the Mythic + crew for the insightful answers and you check back in a few days when we finish this up with their thoughts on addons, raiding and its impact on M+,  the Mythic Dungeon Invitational, their suggestions for the future of M+ and much more!
    • By Stan

      Call of the Scarab micro-holiday is back with new temporary faction mounts. The event is active through January 23, 2018 and the mounts last for 7 days.
      2018 Updates
      Players who have completed Antorus, the Burning Throne raid need to talk to Rhonormu near the gong to enter the correct event phase of Silithus. The Scarab Lord Black Qiraji Resonating Crystal mount received a brand new model this year. You can find more information here. Two new mounts can be purchased for 1 Abyssal Crest during the event. Ruby Qiraji Resonating Crystal can be purchased from Warlord Gorchuk. Sapphire Qiraji Resonating Crystal can be purchased from Field Marshal Snowfall. The mounts are not permanent and last for 7 days. Blizzard (Source)
      *1/21- The Call of the Scarab Micro-Holiday is now live. Players who have completed Antorus , the Burning Throne and who are in a different phase can speak to Rhonormu near the gong to enter the correct event phase.
      On January 23, 2006, a bloody war was triggered by a simple sound: the banging of a gong. No rallying fanfare, no bloodthirsty yell; just an eerie silence. Those long, uneasy seconds of dread. The calm before the storm.
      Standing shoulder-to-shoulder before the Scarab Wall, no one could have predicted what would happen—an epic ten-hour battle that claimed the lives of thousands of Azeroth’s bravest—or fully comprehended the effect it would have.
      ACTION FIRST, FACTION SECOND
      That’s not to say the battle at the gates of Ahn’Qiraj came as a surprise. When the menace of C’Thun turned into an urgent threat, leaders across the world pored over plans and forged unlikely connections as pressure mounted. Both factions knew war was coming and personal glory was a hubris no-one could risk. Any notion that one army could defeat General Rajaxx and his colossal battalion was soon abandoned as fantasy.
      It was a unique time: scattered armies with varying allegiances were thrown together and faction pride was put aside. Let’s be clear: the battle at Ahn’Qiraj was won purely on the principle “united we stand, divided we fall.”
      WARMONGERING VS. GOLD HUNGERING
      This uneasy alliance was not without its critics. Some showed their disapproval by shunning the war effort altogether, but others expressed opposition through acts of aggression. Rogue elements on both sides, unwilling to stomach this perceived betrayal of their faction, did not sit idle. Just as neutral auction houses became a tool for factions to share resources, they also became virtual battlegrounds. Crucial resources were picked up for next-to-nothing and sold on for personal gain. As with all wars, those who profit aren’t always the brave.
      The sheer scale of that war effort is almost unimaginable when we live in a time of extended storage and fast mail. But back then, backpacks and cloth stacks were smaller. Getting precious resources gathered, sorted, and sent took many hours. And it took several weeks to source bandages, food, and equipment—resources that were in high demand and would soon dwindle.
      THE IMPORTANCE OF REMEMBRANCE
      There are parallels with current events that are impossible to ignore: once more, we Azerothians stand united against the Burning Legion as they wreak havoc across the Broken Isles. We attempt to put aside a complex, bitter history in order to defeat a common enemy. We eye each other suspiciously, even as we fight side by side.
      We would do well, in these dark times, to remember the courage and spirit of those who were there at the Gates of Ahn’Qiraj. We must have long memories if we’re to make quick work of the demon forces we now face.
      From January 21–23 we ask that you join us as we remember the fallen and celebrate the victory. All of Azeroth are invited to a special holiday, ‘Call of the Scarab,’ where we will gather to perform acts of remembrance and share our factions’ pride.
    • By Jovovich
      World of Warcraft - [Horde][US-Arthas]Unhuman - Francais - 2/11M - www.unhuman.ca
      Unhuman est à la recherche de nouveaux visages qui seraient intéressés à joindre ses rangs!
      Forum: http://forum.unhuman.ca/forum/7-recrutement/
      Raiding:
      - [Raid] Undying AtBT: 2/11M, 11/11H, 2soir, Mardi et Mercredi 7hpm à 10h30hpm  (EST)
      - [Raid] Baguettes & Squareheads AtBT: 1/11M, 11/11H, 2soir, Mardi et Jeudi 7h30pm à 10h30hpm (EST)
      - [Raid] Casual as Fuck AtBT: 9/11H, 1soir, Mercredi 7hpm à 10h30hpm  (EST)
      PvP:
      - [PvP] Unhuman RBG: 1800 rating, 1soir Dimanche des 9hpm (EST)
      Communauté:
      - Plus de  450 accounts
      Unhuman est plus qu'une guilde de raiding performante, c'est aussi la plus grosse communauté Francophone sur World of Warcraft US. Depuis sa création en 2006, Unhuman cherche à offrir à ses raiders un environnement de jeu qui favorise la progression et ce avec des joueurs d'excellent calibre. Nous sommes constamment à la recherche de nouveaux joueurs que ce soit PVE ou PVP, mais aussi des masters du Pet Battles, des champions de l'Archéologie ou peu importe ce qui vous branche ingame. Vous êtes donc assuré de trouver ce que vous cherchez chez nous peu importe votre style de jeu.
      Pour toutes questions...
      - http://unhuman.ca/
      - Jovovich-Arthas, Guild Master
      - Falfuris-Arthas, Officier
      - Shockadins-Arthas, Officier
    • By Jovovich
      World of Warcraft - [Horde][US-Arthas]Unhuman - French - 2/11M - www.unhuman.ca
      Unhuman is RECRUITING!
      Forum: http://forum.unhuman.ca/forum/7-recrutement/
      Raiding:
      - [Raid] Undying AtBT: 2/11M,11/11H, 2day, Tuesday and Wednesday 7hpm to 10h30hpm  (EAST)
      - [Raid] Baguettes & Squareheads AtBT:1/11M, 11/11H, 2day, Tuesday and Thursday 7h30pm to 10h30hpm (EAST)
      - [Raid] Casual as Fuck AtBT: 9/11H, 1day, Wednesday 7hpm to 10h30hpm (EAST)
      PvP:
      - [PvP] Unhuman RBG: 1800 rating, 1day Sunday starting at 9hpm (EAST)
       
      Community:
      - More than 450 account
      Unhuman is a performing raiding guild with multiple raid groups, it's one of the biggest, for not saying the biggest one, french community on World of Warcraft US. Unhuman has been created in December 2006 and will continue to live for a long time, Unhuman is trying to give to our raiders everything they need to be focus only on good progression!. Unhuman is always looking for new players of all kind, PvE or PvP, even with Battle pets or Archeologists or anything else you can do in the game....You will be sure to find your way with Unhuman!
      For any question...
      - http://unhuman.ca/
      - Jovovich-Arthas, Guild Master
      - Falfuris-Arthas, Officier
      - Shockadins-Arthas, Officier