Affliction Warlock 7.3

[Valks 2,373]

On 6/25/2017 at 9:47 AM, Guest Signex said:

How good is affliction atm vs the other specs? after all the changes done to destruction i don't like it anymore and want to play affliction as a casual player.

 

It looks pretty solid log-wise:

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/rankings/13#difficulty=4&class=Warlock

[Guest Xatez]

I'm confused on the Contagion section of the guide. Am I supposed to just constantly keep Unstable Affliction on the target or am I supposed to just apply 2-3 and then drain?

I understand that during specific buffs I would probably want to 2-3 and then drain but what about when I don't have big buffs like heroism/Trinket Proc/etc..

[Furty 51]

It's pretty much exactly as it says in the rotation section, in practice:

 

1. 2x UA
2. Reap
3. Drain until UA expires
4. Tap (if necessary)
5. Fillers until you have shards
6. Refresh DoT effects & repeat

Ideally you want to fit in your PS before your UA casts; many Warlocks make the mistake of 2x UA - > Reap  -> PS -> Drain. PS only benefits from 2 traits so missing out on Reap for a few globals does not affect your damage much compared to wasting globals of UA without the MG buff. 

[Guest Nibu]

Question about the rotation. It says in guide "Use Drain until UA expires". Is that all instances of UA? Meaning if the target has 5 on him, I need to wait until they're all expired before going through the rotation again?

Cheers for a great guide

[Furty 51]

On 7/6/2017 at 9:47 AM, Guest Nibu said:

Question about the rotation. It says in guide "Use Drain until UA expires". Is that all instances of UA? Meaning if the target has 5 on him, I need to wait until they're all expired before going through the rotation again?

Cheers for a great guide

Yes, you should unless Agony is going to fall off (though ideally you see this before applying said UAs and refresh before applying them). 

[Guest nerfed]

7.3 came and  nerfed the crap out of afflic locks  both corruption and agony have had there damage reduced by 5% as well as alot of hard nerfs to the overrall  damage

[Valks 2,373]

21 hours ago, Guest nerfed said:

7.3 came and  nerfed the crap out of afflic locks  both corruption and agony have had there damage reduced by 5% as well as alot of hard nerfs to the overrall  damage

Afflic is still doing incredibly well on fights like Host and Inquisition. It was a bit silly having Affliction warlock being top on every fight, in nearly every style of fight.

[Insidious13 0]

Just out of interest, Why use Grimoire of Supremecy for Tyrannical weeks?!

Edited July 24, 2017 by Insidious13

[Valks 2,373]

4 hours ago, Insidious13 said:

Just out of interest, Why use Grimoire of Supremecy for Tyrannical weeks?!

AoE stun.

[Guest Dozur]

Have so many questions by now! (Have started playing warlock 3 weeks ago)

1. Why is intellect at the last place if it buffs our overall damage? I understand, simcraft says that, but i'm not sure if I should put all mastery-gems instead of 2 mastery-gems + 1 int-gem.

2. How do I perform my opener in a right order? Agony, corruption. lifesteal, UA+UA, soul reap, Phantom, drain? Or where should phantom go?

3. What is better: lfr 4-part bonus + lower secondary stats or 2-part lfr bonus + higher secondary stats? Can't get it. Simcraft says different things everytime I perform simulation. 

4. The last one by now, I guess. Should I re-simulate my charackter with scaling after every peace of gear that is new to calculate the stats weight or no? Or will the simulation without scaling be enough? 

 

Thanks in forehand! 

[Valks 2,373]

1 hour ago, Guest Dozur said:

1. Why is intellect at the last place if it buffs our overall damage? I understand, simcraft says that, but i'm not sure if I should put all mastery-gems instead of 2 mastery-gems + 1 int-gem.

It buffs our overall damage, but it doesn't interact with anything. There is no specific interaction with intellect on procs and such. Crit, for example, might have a chance to reset an ability because of a passive. Things like this don't exist with intellect, it's just a flat damage increase. Use 1 intellect gem and the rest Mastery (you can only equip one Saber's Eye intellect gem).

1 hour ago, Guest Dozur said:

2. How do I perform my opener in a right order? Agony, corruption. lifesteal, UA+UA, soul reap, Phantom, drain? Or where should phantom go?

This is covered in the guide:

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/affliction-warlock-pve-dps-rotation-cooldowns-abilities

You'll find it at the bottom under opening rotation.

1 hour ago, Guest Dozur said:

3. What is better: lfr 4-part bonus + lower secondary stats or 2-part lfr bonus + higher secondary stats? Can't get it. Simcraft says different things everytime I perform simulation. 

Depends on the set and depends on the gear you are upgrading to. Your best bet of comparing is to use something called Raidbots. It is far more user friendly than SimC and you will likely find that you get better comparisons. https://www.raidbots.com/simbot

1 hour ago, Guest Dozur said:

4. The last one by now, I guess. Should I re-simulate my charackter with scaling after every peace of gear that is new to calculate the stats weight or no? Or will the simulation without scaling be enough? 

Yes, you should. As I suggested above, Raidbots will be easier for you to use than SimC for this :)

[Guest Dolzur]

1. Thank you very much, now it's clear :)

2. Shame on me, I forgot about that part of guide. Excuse me, will read it.

3,4. Thank you for the suggestions, gonna try it right now.

[Valks 2,373]

47 minutes ago, Guest Dolzur said:

1. Thank you very much, now it's clear :)

2. Shame on me, I forgot about that part of guide. Excuse me, will read it.

3,4. Thank you for the suggestions, gonna try it right now.

No problem, glad to have helped :)

[ncnash083 0]

Is there a way to sim the different minions?  I can't say I'm a huge fan of the doomguard, and I'm not really doing anything with my lock that requires the best of everything, although I still like to do the best I can.  I enjoy using the Felhunter, and I am mostly curious what the dps difference between them two minions are.  I have little knowledge of putting in proper code into SimC or Raidbots, but I can follow instructions well.  Thanks

[Turtlestaff 0]

Just wanna mention that you made the same mistake as on the Demonology guide and mentioned using Havoc for additional benefit here as well in the mortal coil section

 

[Valks 2,373]

On 8/13/2017 at 5:15 AM, ncnash083 said:

Is there a way to sim the different minions?  I can't say I'm a huge fan of the doomguard, and I'm not really doing anything with my lock that requires the best of everything, although I still like to do the best I can.  I enjoy using the Felhunter, and I am mostly curious what the dps difference between them two minions are.  I have little knowledge of putting in proper code into SimC or Raidbots, but I can follow instructions well.  Thanks

Differences, approximated, just to give you an idea. The DPS figures are not real, but the relative amounts are for their contributions.

If Doomguard is top at 10K, then:

• Felhunter will range from 7200-9000 depending on number of DoTs currently on the target.
• Infernal will be at around 8000.

Hope this helps somewhat.

[Valks 2,373]

On 8/22/2017 at 0:05 PM, Turtlestaff said:

Just wanna mention that you made the same mistake as on the Demonology guide and mentioned using Havoc for additional benefit here as well in the mortal coil section

 

Thanks for the heads up - I'll get it updated.

[ncnash083 0]

6 hours ago, Blainie said:

Differences, approximated, just to give you an idea. The DPS figures are not real, but the relative amounts are for their contributions.

If Doomguard is top at 10K, then:

• Felhunter will range from 7200-9000 depending on number of DoTs currently on the target.
• Infernal will be at around 8000.

Hope this helps somewhat.

It does indeed, I appreciate the information sir, thanks.

[Guest Dolzur]

Hello guys, made my way through handling the warlock and faced such an issue:

Neither Simcraft nor Raidbots are able compare relics. They just can't find an item from databases. Could somebody help me with that? 

My setup is 890 Shadowy Incantations + 910 Perdition + 925 Perdition. I'm considering to swap my 910 perdition relic with 905 Shadowy Incantations but can't find out if it will either increase or decrease my dps. 

Thank you in forehand!

[Valks 2,373]

On 8/24/2017 at 0:49 PM, ncnash083 said:

It does indeed, I appreciate the information sir, thanks.

No worries, glad to help :)

[Valks 2,373]

On 8/26/2017 at 9:06 AM, Guest Dolzur said:

My setup is 890 Shadowy Incantations + 910 Perdition + 925 Perdition. I'm considering to swap my 910 perdition relic with 905 Shadowy Incantations but can't find out if it will either increase or decrease my dps. 

Thank you in forehand!

It will decrease. Perdition > SI.

[Valks 2,373]

We are currently in the process of updating all guides as required for the 7.3 release. Please be patient as we make the necessary changes. You can keep an eye on the changelog to know if the guide has been updated or not. 

[Valks 2,373]

This guide has now been updated for the 7.3 patch. If you have any questions or comments, you can always ask them here. If you find any errors in the new changes to the guide, let me know and I'll get the writers to update it ASAP.

Good luck in the Shadows of Argus!

[Sintharis 3]

I have a question regarding the Netherligt Crucible Tier 2 priorities. 

Why Murderous Intent (+1500 Versa while concordance active) is ranked higher than Shocklight (+1500 Crit, same condition), when stat priority prefers Crit over Versa?

[Valks 2,373]

On 9/18/2017 at 4:00 PM, Sintharis said:

I have a question regarding the Netherligt Crucible Tier 2 priorities. 

Why Murderous Intent (+1500 Versa while concordance active) is ranked higher than Shocklight (+1500 Crit, same condition), when stat priority prefers Crit over Versa?

Asking Furty. AFAIK, MI sims higher than Shock.