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wow 3 Top Guilds Talk Leveling, Legendaries and Split Mythics

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Exorsus, Limit and Method talk about the first part of the Emerald Nightmare preparation.

 

Over at Method.gg, the new home of the raid progress race coverage, yours truly interviewed three of the top guilds (Exorsus, Limit and Method) about the start of Legion and what exactly that looks like for the extremely hardcore, as they get ready for the Emerald Nightmare. The main topic of discussion was legendary items and how they (or a lack of them) will impact the race, if one guild gets very lucky or unlucky in their drops, so here are a few snippets, or you can read the full thing over at Method's site.

Split Mythic dungeon runs - better or worse than split raids?

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Way worse. 4 weeks of nightmare with world quests, dungeons and legendary grinding on all of their characters is the worst thing i can imagine for my raiders.

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Personally, if I had been doing split mythic dungeon runs for the past 3 expansions then I would find them pretty lame in comparison to split raids. Since that’s not actually the case, I find split dungeons a nice change of pace from previous expansions. I know there are people in my own guild that disagree and enjoy split raids rather than split dungeons.
 
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Definitely worse, because it makes the whole thing less flexible and if you don't have a roster count that is divisible by 5 (so usually 25) you have left over people without a set group, requiring you to rotate people etc.. Another reason why I don't like them is that they are VERY rewarding, which forces us to be very good and effective when doing these dungeons. It's almost like your dungeon tactics matter more for the raid than your raid tactics, since that gear will help you in the raids later.
Generally I think mythic+ is a great idea but I don’t like the way it is being introduced. I think it would be better if they would open them sequentially so that first mythic+ dungeons are released (gated at a certain keystone level) and a month later the raid could get released.
 
Watcher and the design team seem to have changed their minds and are going to allow legendaries into Mythic raids. How important will it be for each player to have that one specific legendary? Do you think a guild getting particularly lucky with them could give them a significant advantage?
 

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Well, if some guild would be lucky enough to get BiS legendaries on some core players it could lead to quite a huge impact. However, the chances for such a scenario are low. From what I’ve seen, some legendaries lead to a ~10-14% dps increase, which is too good. And don't forget that the item itself has an 895 ilvl, meaning it’s almost twice the stats for this slot.

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The decision by the design team to allow legendaries in mythic raids was something that was lamented by a large amount of the playerbase. Personally, I am skeptical as to how much of an effect this will have in the overall race. As a shadow priest, there are at least 3 legendaries that, if I were to obtain one of them, would provide me little to no benefit outside of the stats they give by virtue of being an item level 895 piece. This is the case for most people, so based on that factor as well as keeping the drop rate in mind, I feel like they will not provide a significant advantage unless a guild gets obscenely lucky. Our guild will generally take the best players into the raid, whether they have the right legendary or not.

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First of all, I must say that even though it is a nice feature overall to have legendaries like this in the game, I think it is quite silly to have them released from day 1. I would have rather seen these unlocked together with the 7.1 Karazhan patch for example. Now, in terms of how important they are, I’ll be honest I don’t know how strong each legendary is for each spec, but I have heard people say that if they get this 1 specific legendary, it will be an insane dps increase. For hunters specifically there are no crazy legendaries. They are obviously nice to have both for the effect and the ilvl of the item itself, of course. In general though I think that the statement Ion made about it being the same as having some player get a warforged trinket is not true. Legendaries will be way more impactful to the raid’s performance than trinkets will be.

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It's funny how they (pro players) started saying good things about Mists of Pandaria before its release and the expansion itself turned out to be the worst ever, a disaster.

And now they are criticizing Legion...  Should we expect an even worse scenario here? or is it just negative propaganda :D GoldenKappa

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I think we as players have been burned so many times now by blizzards expansions since Lich King, that most of us are now more cautious about upcoming content. So far I see Legion as a success. But like Garrosh said to Gul'dan in the Draenor Intro: "Times change."

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7 hours ago, mnime said:

It's funny how they (pro players) started saying good things about Mists of Pandaria before its release and the expansion itself turned out to be the worst ever, a disaster.

Do you mean Warlords of Draenor?

I loved MoP :( Probably was one of my favourite expansions tbh, excluding the pre-WoD SoO farming

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3 hours ago, Blainie said:

Do you mean Warlords of Draenor?

I loved MoP :( Probably was one of my favourite expansions tbh, excluding the pre-WoD SoO farming

I have to agree. The notion at the end of WoD was "now people finally appreciate Pandaria". Granted everyone will have their own opinion. That being said, I loved pre WoD farming, the frogpocalypse was one of my favorite events!!!!

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1 hour ago, demonardvark said:

I have to agree. The notion at the end of WoD was "now people finally appreciate Pandaria". Granted everyone will have their own opinion. That being said, I loved pre WoD farming, the frogpocalypse was one of my favorite events!!!!

I LOVED THE FROG FARM. It was so incredibly relaxing, just like farming bounties in Diablo. Some music, some friends, relax and commit genocide.

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25 minutes ago, Blainie said:

 Some music, some friends, relax and commit genocide.

This site has had so many amazing quotes this week.

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5 minutes ago, demonardvark said:

This site has had so many amazing quotes this week.

Like you stole Zefyrk quote for your sign, I think I'm gonna steal Blainie's. This one need to be somewhere forever!

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52 minutes ago, Kirr said:

Like you stole Zefyrk quote for your sign, I think I'm gonna steal Blainie's. This one need to be somewhere forever!

Am I famous now? 

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20 minutes ago, Blainie said:

Am I famous now? 

1st in the weekly / monthly and yearly popular contributor chart and 3rd all-time with your avatar always everywhere on the forum... I think you're already famous here! :P

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1 hour ago, Kirr said:

1st in the weekly / monthly and yearly popular contributor chart and 3rd all-time with your avatar always everywhere on the forum... I think you're already famous here! :P

I'm sorry but you get points yourself just for mentioning the frogpocalypse in your quote XD. I audibly laughed aloud in my office and got some funny looks....... well more than usual.

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31 minutes ago, demonardvark said:

I'm sorry but you get points yourself just for mentioning the frogpocalypse in your quote XD. I audibly laughed aloud in my office and got some funny looks....... well more than usual.

Well, I could add it and make people laugh... or not add it and make everyone think Blainie's a psycho :P

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18 minutes ago, Kirr said:

Well, I could add it and make people laugh... or not add it and make everyone think Blainie's a psycho :P

i mean, either one is fine really. :) 

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See, for me MoP was more of a side-quest in the grand scheme of WoW.  There were ties in obviously, but the final boss was, in essence, the Sha, not even really Garrosh. 

Even with the Heart of the Old God, it just felt... like something they dreamed up to fill space. 

WoD was literally a alternate universe, but at least it ended tying directly into WoW history. 

I just can't get into MoP, although it was a frickin gorgeous expansion.

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15 hours ago, Kirr said:

make everyone think Blainie's a psycho :P

It's ok, they already know that I am

11 hours ago, PatrickHenry said:

I just can't get into MoP, although it was a frickin gorgeous expansion.

I thought the lore was amazingly well done considering it was all newly thought up. Absolutely loved it

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