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Hello, so I started playing DK at the launch of legion, and have enjoyed it so far. I was initially unholy but then changed to frost recently, and am enjoying both specs except for one thing, namely my performance. So there are three frost DK's in my raid and lately the other two are always towards the top of the meter while I'm towards the bottom. There is no large gear difference (I think they both have a couple ilvls on me, but I have the legendary belt), so I was wondering what I was doing wrong. Upon looking at logs I found they both casted significantly more spells than me on all fronts (FS, obliterate, etc.). I also noticed that I need to keep icy talons up more, but can someone tell me why I'm casting so many fewer spells than them (there is no large haste difference, the armory has us all at 30something% haste, even though one of them (Hungerghost) and I only have 20something, and I'm sure the same applies to the other DK), or if there is some other problem, then what is it and how can I fix it? Thanks.

(will update these links if they're not working (I got an SSL error))

My armory: https://us.battle.net/login/en/?ref=http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/deathwing/Crohost/&app=com-wow&opt

other DK (Hungerghost): https://us.battle.net/login/en/?ref=http://us.battle.net/wow/character/kalecgos/Hungerghost/&app=com-wow&opt

other DK (Selerot): https://us.battle.net/login/en/?ref=http://us.battle.net/wow/character/shattered-halls/Selerot/&app=com-wow&opt

My parsings page/all my logs (if you want to look at more): https://www.warcraftlogs.com/rankings/character/11054914/latest/

ToV Normal Logs: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/9JVdT8WK2Dn1f4wy

Mythic EN Logs: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/GLJDKZ27b6P1pMvd

Heroic EN Logs: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/wrHQf6Wztx3gcGPa

Heroic ToV Logs: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/mGDLK2PWRN9C1ax8#fight=1 (note, I'm only in the first six pulls (AKA all the wipes) on Odyn)

Videos from ToV (they correspond with pulls 1 and 2 from the logs):

Pull 1: 

Pull 2: 

 

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Alright, so I was looking through a lot of your logs i couldn't really find one where you wouldn't die before them (out of the logs you linked, not including the wipes on odyn I didn't look at those because wipes can very much so vary.) Xavius is the first one I find where you aren't dying before them, and on that pull it's because of you using Glacial advance while they are using Obliteration which allows for more casts. Which would still not lead to such a dependency in damage, so looking further into it. (also you RL doesn't use advance combat logging I would highly suggest you ask him to makes log easier to raid for me.) Just judging by what I can and what I see in the videos I'm guessing the biggest difference in your damages is your frozen pulse the other two dks seem to have a much higher uptime on their frozen pulsedoing in the realms of 4-6million more damage which is rather large. As you said Icy Talons as well. Your frost fever isn't 100% up time either around 91% on xavius heroic, you also didn't use the double Dragon, maybe not possible because of kill speed.Their trinkets are also better than yours to be honest. You also have some wasted rime procs would should if possible be avoided similar story with Killing Machine which should super be avoided.

Kind of a TLDR: Work on using procs more often, find better trinket, uptime on dot could/should be better, don't worry to much about the differences in casts honestly at least from the xavius log standpoint. Biggest difference between them and you is the difference in frozen pulse damage try and work on getting that up higher it'll vastly help you.

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I noticed that you are not using potions, certainly one of the other DKs is using Old War on every pull... my guess is the difference may not necessarily be that great, but when Person #1 does all possible min/max things available.. it's pretty much a given that those unwilling or unable to do the same will be adrift by a noticeable factor regardless of skill or gear.

Also, looking at the video, you didn't seem to be spamming HB when out of melee range/during transitions... that alone could account for a large number of available FS missed by lack of RP.

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@Drtain Thanks a lot, I hadn't thought of frozen pulse as a cause of damage. So essentially just use more runes so I have a higher uptime on frozen pulse, don't die, use obliteration on more fights, and have a better uptime on frost fever and icy talons, ok great, thanks.

@Browed Thank you as well. I do use potions on every fight, although there was a period where I would conserve them on fights where I was sure we wouldn't kill it since raiding this xpac has been so expensive, but I'm back on my feet financially so I use them all the time now (I use prolonged power though instead of old war). Ya, I should start using HB more when I'm out of range, thanks. 

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Potion of the old war after it's nerf became worse than prolonged power for both frost and unholy in single target and aoe. It's only better for some classes such as warriors because when they pop their warrior cry (I forget it's name apologizes) it allows them to get 100% crit chance with also applies to their potions. Dks don't have anything that would make the potion stronger which means it's benefit isn't that great.

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Prolonged power raises your str for a minute, so your pet Timmy, your army of undead and your gargoyle are all buffed as well. 

Old war just buffs you. 

 

Therefore stick with the cheaper pot and drink it often. Its cost is not much and it will do wonders for your dps. 

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