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[Valks 2,377]

9 minutes ago, Valhalen said:

Similarly, Illidan supposedly has dialogues with Maiev for HotS too...

So many possibilities. Can't wait for it to be something completely unrelated to what everyone though, just like Deathwi- I mean, D.Va.

[Laragon 269]

54 minutes ago, Valhalen said:

Real talk, though. I wouldn't be surprised if the next Hero is Kil'jaeden, considering that Gul'dan has voice files of interaction with supposed Legion-related characters, where he says: "The Legion is here, my plans will have to accelerate."

This could also point to Malganis (He does summon him in Legion at Tomb of Sargaras). Not that it couldn't be KJ still, just that it has other options the community has been mentioning.

[SteveFrost 97]

More famous than Stukov eh? Many fill that bill. Though I don't think Lady Vasj does (if so, very slightly). I don't think it will be Ner'zul- Arthas is in as the Lich King, united with Ner'zul, yet he emerged as the dominating personality or Grom(mash) since Samuro is in already (maybe he'll come as a skin for him?) and he was a Blademaster in WC3. Unless they bring him as corrupted due to Mannoroth's blood. That leaves us with Maiev though I'm not sure how dark portal, shadowy figure with green eyes fit to this.

Kel'thuzad also utilized portals so this brings him up as a candidate imho-like to speak with Archimonde. Speaking of the Defiler, I'm surprised nobody brought him up. It could very well be him imho.

[Valks 2,377]

I love seeing all these guesses come in and then coming back when it's announced to see who got it right! 

Maybe it might also be Turalyon? I don't know how famous people generally think he is, but it would make sense for him to be emerging from the Dark Portal given that he was "lost" through the portal after the explosion. The eyes wouldn't really make sense though, I guess. I also don't see him being all that different from Uther, so maybe not.

[Valks 2,377]

2 minutes ago, SteveFrost said:

Kel'thuzad also utilized portals so this brings him up as a candidate imho-like to speak with Archimonde. Speaking of the Defiler, I'm surprised nobody brought him up. It could very well be him imho.

I still think there is the same issue with Archimonde and KJ - I don't see how they can be added given how their type of power seems to work. I just feel like they would be too similar if they were add-based to Azmodan, but they can't take advantage of their insane size and power on the field of battle because it would be so similar to what Ragnaros already does. 

It's kind of the argument behind why you have Chromie instead of Nozdormu, I guess. I expect HoTS to have Malfurion instead of Cenarius, Krasus instead of Alexstrasza, etc. By introducing these huge, otherworldly powerful characters, you start having to make things on a different scale. The Odin ultimate for Tychus should be big, but not as big as some of these other characters.

[SteveFrost 97]

Just now, Blainie said:

I still think there is the same issue with Archimonde and KJ - I don't see how they can be added given how their type of power seems to work. I just feel like they would be too similar if they were add-based to Azmodan, but they can't take advantage of their insane size and power on the field of battle because it would be so similar to what Ragnaros already does. 

It's kind of the argument behind why you have Chromie instead of Nozdormu, I guess. I expect HoTS to have Malfurion instead of Cenarius, Krasus instead of Alexstrasza, etc. By introducing these huge, otherworldly powerful characters, you start having to make things on a different scale. The Odin ultimate for Tychus should be big, but not as big as some of these other characters.

I think (and hope) that 'being similar' won't forbid some characters from coming. Like, you have Raynor and Tychus (I like how they use last and first name respectively lol) who are both in a Marine suit yet they play entirely differently. You have all those Mages with their differences. My only experience with Warcraft is WC3 and its expansion, haven't played WoW at all, only with the free pass that came with Wings of Liberty lol (just read some parts cause I'm a lore freak). I think they could be different in-game, like Kil-jaeden is more or less a 'fire daemon' (I don't think it would be much of a problem with Azmo, more with Ragnaros. Maybe have him call down Infernals or something) while Archimonde uses dark/fel, destructive magic. It is an issue tho, because truly, these characters are on a different plane, like seriously OP, you'll need to find a better explanation than "they can't just OHKO you because moba balance". I've seen people request Deathwing a lot, even Sargeras himself. I'd like them in too, but it's that thing again. Maybe make a special map where they'll be like a boss or something?

There are ways to circumvent that problem tho imho, if you double down on the characters identity and defining traits. Like, we already have Uther in, yet I believe there would be no issue bringing Tirion. He could be a more offensive version of a Paladin (Retribution Tree, retadin), especially if he had Ashbringer, maybe even Multiclass. And yeah, the size thing is definitely something to note if you know these characters beforehand. Take SC2 for instance, where Battlecruiser and Viking are pretty much the same size lol.

[50m8r4 11]

I'm sure this time! It's portal gruntius the random portal minion from that one part in that one WoW expansion!

[Valhalen 1,484]

55 minutes ago, SteveFrost said:

"they can't just OHKO you because moba balance".

Technically you can use that excuse. In what universe would a Murloc be able to go toe-to-toe with the God of the Fire Elementals?

1 hour ago, Blainie said:

By introducing these huge, otherworldly powerful characters, you start having to make things on a different scale. The Odin ultimate for Tychus should be big, but not as big as some of these other characters.

In Smash Bros. all characters are scaled to an approximate  size to fit the shared universe within the game. For example, Bowser is supposed to be at least 5x larger than Mario, yet he is as big as Donkey Kong. 

The same applies to Heroes of the Storm, where Ragnaros is tiny outside of his Molten Core form, all to meet the standards of the shared universe in the Nexus. 

[Nathex 8]

24 minutes ago, Valhalen said:

 

In Smash Bros. all characters are scaled to an approximate  size to fit the shared universe within the game. For example, Bowser is supposed to be at least 5x larger than Mario, yet he is as big as Donkey Kong. 

The same applies to Heroes of the Storm, where Ragnaros is tiny outside of his Molten Core form, all to meet the standards of the shared universe in the Nexus. 

Not to mention that Archimonde and Kil'Jaeden are not always huge. They can change size but there normal size is that of any other eredar such as Prophet Vellen. They are mostly played up in size because Blizzard likes to have huge bosses to try and make things seem more epic. Arthas and Kel'thuzad are the same size but if you go to Naxx the boss version of KT is triple sized to play him up.

[HenrySteinway 20]

it's FEL REAVER! he's right behind this portal and famous as hell!

[Erathis 53]

2 hours ago, Valhalen said:

The same applies to Heroes of the Storm, where Ragnaros is tiny outside of his Molten Core form, all to meet the standards of the shared universe in the Nexus. 

Sgt. Hammer is perhaps an even more obvious example of this.  Seeing the tank the same size as normal characters and then mini-sized Hammer popping out when in siege mode is a bit mind breaking if you don't wave it off as game perspective...  Or just the buildings/lane units in the nexus compared the size of the heroes.

[Valhalen 1,484]

21 minutes ago, TSRD said:

Sgt. Hammer is perhaps an even more obvious example of this.  Seeing the tank the same size as normal characters and then mini-sized Hammer popping out when in siege mode is a bit mind breaking if you don't wave it off as game perspective...  Or just the buildings/lane units in the nexus compared the size of the heroes.

Exactly. Blizzard makes units larger or smaller depending on their role within the game. Bosses and important NPCs in WoW are always a lot larger than normal characters to make them "stand out in the crowd" and be easy to identify from a distance.

Hammer in HotS uses a reverse logic because her Siege Tank is huge in Starcraft, so they made it and her smaller to fit with the other Heroes proportions.

Likewise, minions and Bruiser Mercenaries and Sapper Mercenaries are tiny because they would take too much space in the screen and end up obstructing the players' view, while Siege Mercenaries and Bosses are larger because they come in small numbers and need to pop out since their function plays a larger role.

Edited July 20, 2017 by Valhalen

[ArusVicious 156]

I'd honestly be very excited if it were Kil'jaeden. He is one of those characters that I always thought needed to make an appearance into HotS. We haven't gotten any WoW demons as heroes yet (aside from Jaina, of course) and the expansion of WoW currently is Legion so why not add one of the biggest bads of all the demons into the nexus? 

I'd love to see that.

Edited July 20, 2017 by Maxkitty

[Erialis 22]

In my opinion it will be Maiev. Shadowy figure here have same green eyes like her portrait in Hearthstone. Also lower part reminds me her cloak with sharp blade fragments. I can also see that similar ponytail sticking out from her helmet basicly. They could not show all helmet elements as elven ears would clearly tell us who it is.

[Futrzak 0]

I think Maiev, maybeee Akama but Maiev is more probable. Kiljaeden is not related to Dark Portal.... He is not habitant of Outland or Draenor. He only can be summoned through powerful portals.... I know that Maiev didnt go through Dark portal but maybe is not about someone who did go through DP but DP is only a window here and we can see someone on the other side. And Maiev was in Outland. Akama even lives there.

[SteveFrost 97]

10 hours ago, Valhalen said:

Technically you can use that excuse. In what universe would a Murloc be able to go toe-to-toe with the God of the Fire Elementals?

I guess the 'explanation' supposedly is that, within the Nexus, there is a shift in power so everyone is on equal footing (OPs toned down, underdogs given an increase). It doesn't officially state that anywhere I reckon' just that the Nexus can take someone from every world/timeline (like Raynor is surprised he can talk while 'dead' and can respawn lol). I remember reading somewhere that, the premise is that each Battleground is under the jurisdiction of a powerful (over)lord who sets the rules each time- tho Hanamura really broke that mold. New SC maps as well but not that much imho. Thing is, characters like the ones mentioned (Kil-jaeden/Archimonde etc) don't feel like they really give any ground to be manipulated like that- unless the ruler of each Battleground is nigh-omnipotent/has reality warping abilities or the Nexus just straight nullifies their OPness (by a significant amount at least) lul. I mean, even Kerrigan is supposedly the strongest being in the universe.

And to answer your question, I guess in the same universe where Arthas/Leoric/Illidan/demons are seen riding rainbow-pooping unicorns haha (love that mount) Tho, given enough stacks I guess Rag COULD OHKO Murky :>

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14 hours ago, Valhalen said:

Similarly, Illidan supposedly has dialogues with Maiev for HotS too...

Spoilsport...

Even then, I'm pretty sure it's gonna be the portal, maybe a new map?

Edited July 20, 2017 by Ilonpilaaja

[Spectral 7]

Next Teaser is out now, and this time its a picture of Cata Orgrimmar.

So its probably Garrosh, sadly, but it might be true.

[Erialis 22]

If it's Garrosh or Gromm Blizz gonna fail. We already have barbarian and Varian using alot of different warrior skills. If we add to this Samuro which is typical Warcraft 3 warrior hero for orcs and use a bit different skills then nothing interesting can come from another boring orc warrior.

[50m8r4 11]

15 hours ago, Valhalen said:

In Smash Bros. all characters are scaled to an approximate  size to fit the shared universe within the game. For example, Bowser is supposed to be at least 5x larger than Mario, yet he is as big as Donkey Kong. 

The same applies to Heroes of the Storm, where Ragnaros is tiny outside of his Molten Core form, all to meet the standards of the shared universe in the Nexus. 

Execpt Rosalina is 5th lightest character there but is a heavy is mk anyway?

[Pinco 0]

that portal makes me think about Mannoroth, and it would be a totally cool hero :D

[Niteshadow 20]

Pretty sure it's Garrosh, guys. Don't know my way around Warcraft lore at all, but the launcher has a GIF of him on it... Also just checked their twitter and it has his name with the GIF so :P

[Valks 2,377]

7 hours ago, Erialis said:

If it's Garrosh or Gromm Blizz gonna fail. We already have barbarian and Varian using alot of different warrior skills. If we add to this Samuro which is typical Warcraft 3 warrior hero for orcs and use a bit different skills then nothing interesting can come from another boring orc warrior.

Maybe it will be a more aggressive Warrior-style, possibly how we saw the orc in the original WoW cinematic. Strong two handed blows, maybe bringing in some Iron Horde abilities too (Iron star etc.)?