Raidendex

Yet another BM hunter dps thread

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Hello,


I've been back to WoW for about month or two now and got fairly decent at playing BM hunter, but definitely feel my dps can be better in some situations.

Overall my stats from equipment seem ok, but I definitely lack legendaries so far. Try to clear as much as i can each week to get more legos, but it's slow.

Potentially having t19 2pc would help as well.


I switched to stomp build recently. I like that better than df. I guess a bit easier :) than keeping track of trying to keep 3 stacks up. Although I can go back easy enough.

For the most part I use skills asap, so likely some dps loss is there due to not timing things together.

 

Here is me

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/zuljin/fery

 

 

Thanks for any input!

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You should switch your enchants and gems to crit. The zoo build needs a lot of crit.

As far as legendaries go, the rings do fairly well for the zoo build, since they have so much crit, so don't expect your dps to rise all that much even if you get a better one.

Terror from below is a terrible trinket for BM. I'd use a relinquished statstick over it.

You are wearing 5 tier pieces, which is weird. You should try to drop one of the pieces that gives versatility. Overall you have way too much versatility. That helm is going to be difficult to replace, because it's 940, but it has fairly bad stats too.

Your logs are mostly using Dire Frenzy, so if you already switched to Stomp then we can't talk about that until you get some new parses.

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5 hours ago, Raidendex said:

 

Overall my stats from equipment seem ok, but I definitely lack legendaries so far. Try to clear as much as i can each week to get more legos, but it's slow.

Potentially having t19 2pc would help as well.


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So lets start listing: 

#1 .....you are a perfect ample of why the ilevel % on warcraft logs is shit now. Both of us have the same ilevel 923-924 but i sim over 120,000 more DPS then you. 

Why? 

Its about gear on the most part.  

Step 1: You blame leggos but that will only be a small dps increase, truly the only one you are missing is the belt.  Any others work, PRYDA BECOMES A MUST once you are on Mythic Sisters. 

Step 2: Your trinkets are garbage for stomp build, engine @ 920 with leach is decent but the other is shit. You like me need to play the neathershard roulette on trinkets until a 880+ arcano crystal pops up.   Or the Trinkets from KJ/Sisters.  I would aim for the highest ilevel KJ/Arcano Trinkets.  The sisters trinket might be ideal in your situation where you have so much crit now and your master is low., same ilevel give you a 8K increase. 

Step 3: you need 2 tier 19.  if i was to replace your helm (which is 940) and your cloak (which is 900) with 885 versions of tier 19 you will get a 5k dps boost...that is small but the aim is to get higher ilevel. The point is even with the large downgrade in ilevel you will produce more. 

Step 4: 2 of your 3 relics  got garbage traits. Kill Command/Jaw of thunder....aim for those unless you get a crazy ilevel upgrade with a garbage trait. 

 

STEP 5 YOU SOB: Ignore step 3 if you cant get mythic NH set than get the shoulders to match your bracers.  If you can get a 930 shoulder to match those you be good too. It will increase your dps by 30k! So many options! I have the shoulders but no bracers....to me its only a 5k dps increase. This set of course is pointless if you can get high enough ilevel tier 19. 

Step 6: Neck,bracers (if not part of the set) and belt (if not leggo) aim to have them crit mastery. You have too much haste at the moment. If you transfer that haste to more mastery it would be ideal.  

 

There is so much you can aim for do...that does not increase your ilevel but will increase your DPS. 

 

BM aint hard. The difference in stomp build between spamming everything and trying to optimise the rotation is limited.  As long as you aim for having a full focus bar for BW then yar good to go. ...ohh and coming from DF, make sure you use stomp then titan's thunder...and always during BW! 

 

and last but not least....

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot

 

play, explore options, learn. 

 

 

Edited by Banard

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50 minutes ago, Galani said:

I see no enchants on cloak or rings.

Look again. He does have enchants.

 

1 hour ago, Banard said:

Step 4: 2 of your 3 relics  got garbage traits. Kill Command/Jaw of thunder....aim for those unless you get a crazy ilevel upgrade with a garbage trait.

Unleash the beast is actually not a bad trait for relics, the multi-shot relic is the only really bad one. Also, Slithering serpents is the current best relic trait, but if I'm not mistaken it only drops on Arcane relics at the moment, and from very few bosses.

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Thanks for the replies, didn't realize about crit strike. Will try to switch over to that more.

 

And hopefully get better relics/trinks as well. Not really using ones I have because I picked them as best, it's just what's available :)

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Jesus, the BM hunter threads go downhill really fast.

I'm not going to say much other than your stats are completely fine, you're over 35% crit which is pretty much a minimum and you have reasonable haste and mastery. 

All you really need is some T19 pieces, maybe aim for chest and legs or cape and legs and get a T20 helm. 

Maybe aim for an arcano or something better to swap out your second trinket, the Engine is really nice but that's about it.

As far as relics go, they're not the absolute essentials to have anymore, the ilvl variance is a lot smaller so if it's a massive ilvl upgrade chances are it's going to be better than the ultimate relic at the moment, especially when so many fights in ToS have cleave it's not a bad idea to have BW% or beast cleave damage. 

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15 hours ago, Khallid said:

 

 

Unleash the beast is actually not a bad trait for relics, the multi-shot relic is the only really bad one. Also, Slithering serpents is the current best relic trait, but if I'm not mistaken it only drops on Arcane relics at the moment, and from very few bosses.

Slithering serpents is with a high enough  level weapon and you go Aspect of the beast. I still playing around with it, but i know at the moment if i was to insert a 10+ ilevel with that trait in my weapon i would have a dps lost...need +15 or higher.  Ive been playing around and still find the kill command & jaws of thunder out performing the others.   I have yet to see the same level relic lose to another trait. 

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12 hours ago, Luthixx said:

 

As far as relics go, they're not the absolute essentials to have anymore, the ilvl variance is a lot smaller so if it's a massive ilvl upgrade chances are it's going to be better than the ultimate relic at the moment.

That's what i said but on even footing kill command and Jaws of thunder win out.  At least when you are wearing the belt leggo.....this might change if you are not. 

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18 hours ago, Khallid said:

...Slithering serpents is the current best relic trait...

Interesting... I've not had experience with SS being a dps boost over Jaws or Pack... what is the circumstance when SS would be advantageous?

Edited by BareMoon

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Hmmmmm, maybe I shouldn't have stated it as an absolute, now I'm not entirely sure. The notion that slithering serpents is the best trait is based on sims by Effin. My own simdps shows Slithering Serpent slightly ahead of Jaws of Thunder as well, so I just agreed with him, but I'm currently using Qa'pla + Aspect of the Beast, so it may not be the same for all builds.

In any case, Slithering Serpents is a top tier trait for sure, not to be dismissed as garbage by any means.

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2 hours ago, BareMoon said:

Interesting... I've not had experience with SS being a dps boost over Jaws or Pack... what is the circumstance when SS would be advantageous?

depends on the following factors: 

(1) ilevel of the relic compared to jaws or pack

if same level than 

(2) total level of your weapon (940+) then aspect of the beast becomes better. That with SS seems to do good. 

(3) if your not wearing the belt, jaws or pack have lower impact. 

(4) no idea about the DF crowd have not played with that for awhile. 

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