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Garrosh is hitting PTR later today and players have started to discuss how his kit doesn't fit into his fantasy. Senior Designer Matt Cooper has made a post on the official forums about Hero fantasy and kits and how the team doesn't consider Garrosh's fantasy as flawed.

The main issue discussed about Garrosh's fantasy is that in Heroes of the Storm he's a tank, whereas in World of Warcraft he was portrayed as an aggressive Arms / Fury Warrior, but it's too early for assumptions. We haven't tried out the Hero yet! The male Barbarian was considered as a skin option for Sonya at some point, but Blizzard later decided that wasn't the direction they wanted to pursue, but that doesn't mean that we will never see a male D3 barbarian in Heroes of the Storm.

Other discussed subjects are the Malthael & Probius fantasy, where Matt goes into detail regarding the decision-making process of their kits.

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I'd like to think this goes without saying, but I'll say it anyway just in case: when designing heroes we care very much about hitting their fantasy.

One reason a hero might deviate from what you expect them to do is the translation process into our game. We have to make the gameplay good first and foremost, and for one reason or another there will inevitably be something we can't include. 

As an example, during Malthael's development several people on the team expressed a desire to see moves from his D3 boss fight that didn't make it in. We see this a lot with boss fights, and the issue is usually that Boss abilities are specifically designed to be avoidable, so they tend not to fit into a PvP game. In Heroes I want my moves to be fairly reliable, at least enough that I can predict how my target will move and have a good chance of hitting them. And yes sometimes we can adapt these abilities to feel good in our game, but not always (ex: because they'd lose too much of what makes them cool, or would be identical to another ability in the game).

There are also issues like visual clarity to consider. When you have 10 heroes on the screen all using Heroic abilities, it's problematic to have one ability that floods the battlefield and requires all of your focus to deal with (as you would in a boss fight). We're also trying to be more careful about how many units a hero can summon, because while it's cool from a fantasy-perspective a swarm of HP bars on the screen can quickly destroy battlefield readability.

Finally and perhaps the biggest challenge we face (at least in terms of the passionate opinions about fantasy we see here) is that everyone has their own idea of what a hero's fantasy actually is. If I asked 100 of you to send me a design for Garrosh, I'd get 100 different responses, all with good reasons for why you feel he should be that way. We have our own vision that we come to after a lot of discussion within the team, and it's almost guaranteed that there will be people who disagree with it. The more iconic and memorable the hero, and the more different forms they can appear in throughout our games, the greater the chance this will happen.

One of the first things we have to figure out when we decide to make a hero is "which version are we doing?". Is Kael'thas the Warcraft 3 version? The Tempest Keep version? The Magister's Terrace version? Does he draw inspiration from all of them? Likewise with Garrosh, who appeared across 5 different WoW expansions, we talked about which version to draw primary inspiration from and which elements of others we might want to include. The result you see is what we felt like was the best version of Garrosh for our game.

You may not always agree with us when it comes to hero fantasy, and that's totally fair, but know that it's very important to us to do a hero's fantasy justice to the greatest extent that we're able within the framework of our game.

The D3 male barbarian was even in a lot of the early promotional stuff for HotS, including the main website for a really long time.

As far as I can recall Sonya has always been female, even in early development around the time Heart of the Swarm launched. We talked about the possibility of doing a gender-swap skin (affectionately referred to as "Bronya"), but at the time decided it wasn't the direction we wanted to pursue.

I totally get why you'd want a male Barbarian, and I don't think that's off the table. We may well explore this option in the future (either through a skin or a new hero entirely).

Matt, if the fantasy of the character is as important to you as you say it is, why did you guys choose to have Garrosh be a Tank, when he has never been a Protection Warrior in WoW or shown any desire to protect the weak?

He really doesn't play like a Prot Warrior, though. It's hard to get this across until you actually get to try him, but when you play him you feel like a big mean bully who's just exceptionally difficult to kill. It's less that you're protecting your team from the enemy, and more that you're so disruptive to the enemy that it's hard for them to kill anyone.

Basically, for anyone who's really concerned about this, I'd encourage you to give him a try first and then give us feedback based on that experience.

When I heard that they are bring a SC probe to the Nexus, I was so excited by the potential of doing a cannon rush or having pylons occasionally warp in some zealot minions.

Believe it or not we actually tried this sort of kit first, and it didn't work out very well. It was kind of like playing Abathur without his Q ability. It was cool for a couple of games, but the novelty wore off very quickly =(

I think what we ended up with gives him a much more active playstyle and lots of room for mastery, while still being very builder/setup focused. My one regret is that I think we were overly worried about similarity to Gazlowe and went too restrictive on his ability to build Cannons. I think this is something we could do more with once we have some time to update him.

I mean the fact that You were aware of him being flawed fantasy wise but pushed him anyway. There surely must be a way of designing builder hero to be satisfying but also not passive in playstyle. And even if not, aren't You allowed discard a hero if translation into moba doesn't work out?

We don't see his fantasy as flawed. When we realized the pure builder angle wasn't working out, we took a step back and approached him from a different perspective, and we're very satisfied with the result.

You may not feel the same way. Maybe the fantasy you expected for him was very different, or there's something you feel is very important that's missing, and that's totally fair! But that difference of opinion shouldn't lead to speculation that we must have been forced to release a hero we weren't happy with against our will. We stand by our work and are proud of every hero we release.

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1 hour ago, Stan said:

He really doesn't play like a Prot Warrior

I think this is the key argument. People are complaining he is a Tank in HotS, but just because he is a tank, it doesn't mean he is a Protection Warrior; this is explicitly evident by the fact he doesn't wield a shield. Likewise, you don't see people complaining about Muradin; he is a tank, with some Protection Warrior skills, and yet he doesn't wield a shield.

From my point of view, judging by his spotlight, Garrosh is more of a sturdy semi-bruiser (even though he deals low damage) than a full tank, especially given the fact he has low health for a Warrior. I hardly think he is solo tanking material, but I guess we'll have to see it today.

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It's true that, from watching the champion reveal video, he seemed somewhat flacid. His overall feel made me think of some passive tank who just moves key targets from point A to B without much weight to the actions.

Just so that I'm not misunderstood: Take, for example, Diablo. All his actions have weight to them, in that it feels like he's really aggressive with plenty of substance, throwing his weight around. Charging enemies, ploughing them in to the ground. Now if Garrosh did something similar (As in, animation not mechanically) to add some real meaty weight to his actions, it'd be perceived better. For now it looks like he gently lifts the target and then throws them like a Strongman in a circus, clearly intending to throw the person but keeping their landing in mind.

To me, Garrosh is a rage filled bundle of muscle, with little to no concern for anyone's well-being. For me, his current animations don't reflect that.

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If I asked 100 of you to send me a design for Garrosh, I'd get 100 different responses, all with good reasons for why you feel he should be that way. We have our own vision that we come to after a lot of discussion within the team, and it's almost guaranteed that there will be people who disagree with it.

"We do it our way and the fans don't matter."

I can't help but interpret this in this way. Expect the firebat, goliath, thor, carrier, peon, peasant, and butterfly witch before getting requested important lore characters from all franchises.

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8 hours ago, ScottHK said:

It's true that, from watching the champion reveal video, he seemed somewhat flacid. His overall feel made me think of some passive tank who just moves key targets from point A to B without much weight to the actions.

Just so that I'm not misunderstood: Take, for example, Diablo. All his actions have weight to them, in that it feels like he's really aggressive with plenty of substance, throwing his weight around. Charging enemies, ploughing them in to the ground. Now if Garrosh did something similar (As in, animation not mechanically) to add some real meaty weight to his actions, it'd be perceived better. For now it looks like he gently lifts the target and then throws them like a Strongman in a circus, clearly intending to throw the person but keeping their landing in mind.

To me, Garrosh is a rage filled bundle of muscle, with little to no concern for anyone's well-being. For me, his current animations don't reflect that.

I agree.  He does not look or act like Garrosh.  The mechanics don't fit with what he is in WoW.  He doesn't look rage filled.  I was expecting a melee assassin with mechanics simular to maybe a fury warrior, having rage as a resource.  Even as a tank he still doesn't feel rage filled.  His kit seems thoughtful and considerate.  He helps his team members out?  Not the Garrosh I fought. 

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1 hour ago, toyjazzer said:

"We do it our way and the fans don't matter."

I can't help but interpret this in this way.

That's not what he was saying and you know it.  People have different expectations and vision when it comes to translating a fictional character between mediums.  It's inevitable and (unless the character has been static for the majority of its existence) impossible.  Ask 100 people what they want out of a translation and you will indeed get 100 different answers.  Sure there will be common elements but the details will differ.  Now consider a HotS hero has only 4/5/6 skills (depending on trait and heroic abilities) and those are going to be the focus details and suddenly you need to crystallize a half dozen important details about the hero that speaks to those 100 different people (oh and make the character playable/fun within the framework of the game/class).  Just because he isn't rolling over and admitting defeat to a bunch of commenters (who haven't even played the character before making assumptions) doesn't mean he doesn't care about how people feel.

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Today I gave it a try at the PTR, and actually felt really happy with the character, it's true that we can expect a brutal charge from him or a bursty damage like sonya, but with his kit he is able to really get into the fight and make a huge mess,  throwing enemies around, attracting them to be burst down and becoming really tanky with his trait..
He is a bully, taunting enemies to fight him without any means to scape.. which I think is really accurate looking at him as a character.

I don't really like are his animations, but specially from the receptor side, of course, you can´t change the animation of every other character to look pretty when they are thrown away

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14 hours ago, Darkjester79 said:

His kit seems thoughtful and considerate.  He helps his team members out? 

I don't wish to be rude and I'm not going to get into details of whether they got Garrosh's fantasy exactly right... But I have to ask where you get this from. Have you actually played him yet? There's very little about Garrosh that is "considerate." No, his kit is all about chaos and aggressive disruption. Even his crowd control is aggressive: you're throwing enemies around, isolating them for your teammates to explode or you're chasing after opponents, applying slows and making sure your teammates can kill them. Perhaps that is "considerate" in so far as it's enabling your team's aggression.....

Also, his Decimate ult seems to be the more impactful of the two. At the very least it feels like it synergises with his playstyle and kit better than the AoE taunt -- because it's //aggressive//. Ponder that. 

I have to agree with Blizz: give him a try before dismissing him. Try him for a while, too, because what feels, to me at least, like his best playstlye wasn't obvious. It took a few games to discover Garrosh's unique "rhythm." And it's not what you think. 

 

 

 

 

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I know little to none about World of Warcraft characters and storyline. I had to look up Garrosh to see who he even is when they first announced him. One of the first image that came up of him for WoW was the one of him sitting in a orcish throne in the same outfit that he has on in HOTS. So that's good I think. Also he looks like a big beefy tanky badass Orc to me when I look at him. He looks like someone who can be hit over and over and just shout at you 'Come on! Is that all you got!?' and pound your head in some. So his kit and such fits that from what I can see as well.

And in terms of the game if he was an assassin instead... do I even have to say this guys... I mean seriously? Do you REALLY want ANOTHER f*cking assassin in the game THAT bad. We already complain about the fact that there's too many of them in the game as it is. And people are complaining because this new beefy orc isn't another damn assassin? Get a grip people.

I'm happy we finally got another warrior tank in the game that we can run into team fights with and are NOT likely to die before we can even do anything with them. I'm so sick of it always being my teammates going 'You're the tank! Get in there and do something!' Ok but I know how this is gonna go... *runs in to fight as asked* ...and I'm dead in 2 seconds... yep that's what I figured would happen... this is why I can't run in with most tanks and do their job other then Johanna. F*cking twin blades Varian feels like more of a tank then the actual tank heros most of the time when he's killing most of your team, tanks included, and not dieing for sh*t despite getting attacked by like 3 people at once. So 'yes, please' to a new hero built to be a solo tank for the team.

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18 hours ago, CyberDVonaven said:

And in terms of the game if he was an assassin instead... do I even have to say this guys... I mean seriously? Do you REALLY want ANOTHER f*cking assassin in the game THAT bad. We already complain about the fact that there's too many of them in the game as it is. And people are complaining because this new beefy orc isn't another damn assassin? Get a grip people.

I think they are less complaining about him not being an assassin, and more looking at the reasoning behind why is he a true tank rather than a brawler, I guess. People probably were looking more towards a similarity with Sonya rather than Diablo/Muradin.

Personally, I'm OK with how he is. Maybe a slight change in animation, but otherwise I'm happy with him.

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On ‎8‎/‎1‎/‎2017 at 10:27 AM, WanYao said:

 

I don't wish to be rude and I'm not going to get into details of whether they got Garrosh's fantasy exactly right... But I have to ask where you get this from. Have you actually played him yet? There's very little about Garrosh that is "considerate." No, his kit is all about chaos and aggressive disruption. Even his crowd control is aggressive: you're throwing enemies around, isolating them for your teammates to explode or you're chasing after opponents, applying slows and making sure your teammates can kill them. Perhaps that is "considerate" in so far as it's enabling your team's aggression.....

Also, his Decimate ult seems to be the more impactful of the two. At the very least it feels like it synergises with his playstyle and kit better than the AoE taunt -- because it's //aggressive//. Ponder that. 

I have to agree with Blizz: give him a try before dismissing him. Try him for a while, too, because what feels, to me at least, like his best playstlye wasn't obvious. It took a few games to discover Garrosh's unique "rhythm." And it's not what you think. 

 

 

 

 

His ability to throw people can be used to throw team mates in or out of fights.  He is played as a disruptor but ultimately a team player.  That is not Garrosh.  Garrosh was always brutal.  he rose to where he was by grabbing power from the weak.  His kit is all about re arranging his enemy across the field and letting his teammates finish them off because he does not have the attack power to do it himself.  Yes, I have played him on the PTR and I like the kit but not the character they gave it to.  I don't want him to be an assassin but more of a brawler that befits his canon in the Warcraft universe.  My issue with him is that unlike the vast majority of the other heroes, his moves do not fit him.  Tracer, Varian, Diablo, Murky etc...all look, and feel like those characters.  To me Garrosh does not.

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17 hours ago, Darkjester79 said:

To me Garrosh does not.

Were you expecting him to have a similar character style to that of Darius from LoL? The "I am the best, nobody can touch me" kinda thing?

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On ‎8‎/‎6‎/‎2017 at 0:43 PM, Blainie said:

Were you expecting him to have a similar character style to that of Darius from LoL? The "I am the best, nobody can touch me" kinda thing?

No.  Darius is showy and a audience pleaser.  Garrosh is no nonsense brutality. He should be like Darius is or was (Been awhile since I have played LoL) tough but able to dish out damage.  Garrosh was leader of the Horde.  He has a massive Axe Gorehowl.  He is strong fierce and prideful. yet when I played him on the PTR, he did not feel anything like that.  His kit, to me, does not feel like it fits him.  The closest character that I can compare him to would be Dbo.  Dbo feels like a brute, his fire his pushing and grabbing.  Garrosh should feel just as brutal and again to me, he doesn't. 

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On 8/7/2017 at 7:39 PM, Darkjester79 said:

Garrosh should feel just as brutal and again to me, he doesn't. 

I see what you mean - you want to see Garrosh as the orcs were portrayed in WoW lore. That ruthless fighting style, where they can almost carve through an army of humans while laughing. It does seem like he is too "passive"

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14 minutes ago, Blainie said:

I see what you mean - you want to see Garrosh as the orcs were portrayed in WoW lore. That ruthless fighting style, where they can almost carve through an army of humans while laughing. It does seem like he is too "passive"

I think Garrosh's gameplay does capture his fighting style as something disruptive, as he can throw his enemies around like they were nothing. The "carve through an army" is pretty much how he works in HotS due his trait. You can't kill the dude! I don't think his trait makes him passive. If anything, it makes him more active, as he can simply shrug damage and stay in battle for longer than most tanks.

If we were to analyze, Stitches wouldn't fit in the fantasy because as a Stitches player you have to be patient and land those perfect hooks. Why would the "Terror of Darkshire" act like that?

I think people overanalyze (and complain) way too much, sorry.

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On 8/17/2017 at 0:25 PM, Valhalen said:

I think people overanalyze (and complain) way too much, sorry.

I think that's completely fair, as well. It's not meant to be lore-specific, the idea of the nexus itself is pretty ridiculous in regards to lore. There are skins that make no sense, but they look amazing, so who cares? I'm just trying to empathise with people, since I imagine I'd probably be peeved if I found out my favourite lore hero was introduced and wasn't what I was hoping for! :p

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5 hours ago, Blainie said:

I think that's completely fair, as well. It's not meant to be lore-specific, the idea of the nexus itself is pretty ridiculous in regards to lore. There are skins that make no sense, but they look amazing, so who cares? I'm just trying to empathise with people, since I imagine I'd probably be peeved if I found out my favourite lore hero was introduced and wasn't what I was hoping for! :p

Indeed, I try to empathise as well, but I don't think I know a single WoW player, even a Horde one, that says "Garrosh is my favorite character", lol.

Regardless, I think the fantasy aspect of his gameplay was well incorporated with interesing mechanics.

Sorry if I sounded rude there.

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On 8/18/2017 at 2:12 PM, Valhalen said:

Indeed, I try to empathise as well, but I don't think I know a single WoW player, even a Horde one, that says "Garrosh is my favorite character", lol.

You'd be surprised! A fair few people like Garrosh pre-corruption, since he was a perfect representation of that harsh, brutal Orcish way of life. Broxigar was probably fairly similar before his personality changed by meeting Tyrande etc. in the WoTA.

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      We are still working on steps to roll this out in a way that is as organic as possible. Rank and rating generally go hand in hand, but there are cases where they can diverge and the posts we sometimes see on here (and we do read them!) about playing games where high masters/GM players are playing with placement people that haven’t played for a while are usually symptomatic of this (as an aside, our MMR decay system should stop this happening in future, as these players will decay out of being eligible for those games). Having a matchmaker work solely on MMR is one approach we have considered for helping with the quality of the games our players are in so we can show exactly why our matchmaker gave the games that it did. As Rating is a measurement of player skill and Ranking places players in an order, we must be careful when switching from one to the other when it comes to broadcasting this information to players, but it is something we definitely want to do!
      Didn't the article about this season say specifically it would matchmake off MMR and not rank? Unless I'm misunderstanding, your comment is saying it currently does not put together games based off MMR
      Our matchmaker finds players based on MMR, but has rules that limit the games it can make based on a ranked difference requirement. These slowly relax over time (which means if you find a game quickly, it will likely be between 1-2 divisions, e.g. Gold 3 and 4, but if you wait longer the relaxed rules will mean you can get Gold 1-5 or Silver 3-Gold 2 in the same game). This means when a player’s MMR diverges from their rank it can make it harder for the Matchmaker to find them a suitable game, which is one of the reasons we are working on showing MMR instead of Ranked points.
      Do you have any ideas in mind to make Team League a more attractive mode?
      Hey, thanks for the question Lorhand.
      We do spend time discussing all of our game modes, identifying what is working well and where we can make improvements. For Team League specifically, we don’t have any immediate answers. I can provide you with some of the ideas we’ve been brainstorming that would end up being a significant overhaul to TL. Bear in mind that all of this is very much still a work in progress and in an early discussion stage. We would love to hear the community’s feedback on any of this, so please let us know what you think or if you have any other ideas:
      Team League becomes a mode that is only available during specific windows of time for a limited duration. In this version, Team League wouldn’t always be available, but we would be creating a moment and celebrating the mode during these windows, encouraging players to play in it. This could mean the mode is only available on weekends, or something rarer like specific weeks out of a month block, or a handful of times throughout an entire ladder season. Team League is updated to allow all group sizes, including solos and 4-player parties. Combine TL and HL into a single queue. This has some obvious issues – we want to make sure that our dedicated HL players still feel like they can have that ‘pure’ experience. Maybe having multiple ladders based off your group size (specifically a solo queue ladder) would alleviate concerns here. At least then, solo queue players would be ranked only against other solo queue players. Turn TL into a more structured experience that embraced players forming permanent or semi-permanent teams. Essentially, players would create a team name, have a limited roster of players available, potentially customize something visual to represent their team, etc. In this version, teams would likely last an entire season, or this could be combined with something like the first option where this is your team for a limited window of time. Ultimately, we do want to increase participation in Team League. However, as I know this will come up as a suggestion and we’ve seen it before, we don’t want to ‘force’ players into this competitive mode if they aren’t looking for this competitive experience. We want players to be happy engaging in whatever game mode(s) they enjoy, so increasing the number of games to unlock TL rewards from 10->30, or adding more rewards is not something we’re excited about.
      What are the metrics for expected match quality in HL and TL? Is it limited to keeping the chance either team wins close to 0.5, or are there other factors as well, like player strength spread? If so, how are those weighed against each other?
      For example, would the matchmaker consider a match between some team A and some team B where it estimates exactly even odds of winning, where team A has a player in bronze and a player in GM better than a match of all GM player and Master players in both teams, where it expects one team to win with 0.6 odds?
      I love stats questions!
      Our Matchmaker uses several criteria to find a winrate. These include, but are not limited to:
      Games played MMR spread (when playing in a party of more than 1) How many games you have played with the hero you have (Quick Match/vs AI) Game Density (How many games you have played in an amount of time) Other spooky things It then does a bunch of maths that I just about understand to calculate the expected probability of winning the game. This is also a rule, (other rules are listed elsewhere in this AMA) so it won’t accept win probabilities outside of a certain range.
      The HL/TL decay timers are only shown to players after they finish their placements.
      Does the decay timer secretly affect players who are in placements? E.g. suppose I play 5 placement games, quit for 40 days, then come back and finish my placements.
      Hello minor_correction, thank you for your question!
      So...a minor correction! TL doesn't have decay timers and ranked decay enabled! The decay timers do not secretly affect players who are in placements. Only when a player has finished all their placement matches, are the decay timers initiated. However, we hope our players remain actively engaged as there is always content coming out and you may miss out on some of our events if you quit for 40 days. I certainly hope you managed to catch Nexxomania!
      Do you have any estimate as to when we will see performance-based matchmaking in the game?
      The two big features on the horizon for Hero League are Loss Forgiveness and Performance Based Matchmaking. Of those, Loss Forgiveness is the first in line for development, while Performance Based Matchmaking will follow shortly after. I can't commit to an exact timeline for these just yet.
      I kind of find promotion and demotion games in the same league annoying. Going from Plat 2 to Plat 1 and vice versa, they don't make much of a difference to me.
      My question is, are you so far happy with this, or do you plan to change anything here? Like only making promo and demo games between leagues.
      I tend to agree. I feel that moving between divisions shouldn't require this an additional layer of ladder anxiety. We intend to remove promotion/demotion games between divisions in the future, keeping these higher-pressure matches limited to moving between leagues. We don't have that on the schedule at the moment so I don't want to promise a timeline for delivery.
      Do you have plans to show mmr to the players and when would that be?
      We intend to display MMR to players as part of the Performance Based Matchmaking system. We have a new visualization of hero performance that helps reinforce the MMR means. I don't have a date for the release of this feature just yet. As we get nearer to its release we'll be sure to get a blog post up that describes the system, and the changes that will be coming along with it.
      Loss Forgiveness
      “Disconnecting” in game yields (-200) points and ‘x’ games of quick match.
      “Disconnecting”in draft yields (-600) points and same number of quick match games.
      The new trend is to load into a game and “disconnect” to avoid the additional (-400) points.
      Having an AI team mate is a significant disadvantage.
      what (if any) plans can you share about loss forgiveness for those 4 people who stuck it out?”
      We're working on a Loss Forgiveness feature right now that addresses these very concerns. In situations where a player deserts their team they will be punished appropriately, while their teammates will have no points deducted for that loss. If the undermanned team wins with an AI in-tow (it does happen occasionally!) they will still earn points for their grit.
      Every now and then we find complaints about matchmaking, mainly because the system rules aren’t clear or visible. Are you planning on making that information available somewhere handy such as in-game?
      We are currently iterating on our Hero League rules based on the feedback we are getting regarding match quality/wait times/game server as well as updating Quick Match with more concrete rules on team composition.
      Once we are in a place where we think (and hopefully you also think!) that these rules create suitable matches for everyone in a reasonable time, having a discussion on putting out something that explains how these rules work would be a great idea!
      What plans do you think will be implemented this season? Next season?
      The Season 3 patch included a ton of changes to Hero League, though not all of them are player-facing. We're still planning on making improvements to matchmaking rules, but right now, we're focused on fixing bugs, and improving our matchmaking data collection. For example, while investigating reports of rainbow matches in Hero League, we uncovered an issue where players will very rarely incorrectly ping lower to a region outside their own when they have "best site" selected in their options menu. When this issue occurs, a player will make matches on that server, which may have different matchmaking rules that allow for rainbow matches to occur. We're currently in the process of resolving this issue, which takes priority over feature development.
      For Season 4, 2018 we plan to continue examining the quality of matches as well as the end of season impact of Rank Decay. Our feature development efforts have primarily been focused on hardening the Quickmatch matchmaking experience. We're also deep into development on a Loss Forgiveness feature that will prevent point/MMR loss for players who were stuck with a leaver while also punishing frequent leavers.
      Here's a quick list of some of the changes we're considering for the future:
      Preventing returning ranked players from placing higher than Diamond 3 each season-roll after placements. Reducing the number of placement games required for returning ranked players. Separating out the regional GM ladders to allow players to rank up within their local playerbase and matchmaking rulesets. Adding draft swaps for Hero League. Further extending the Rank Point Decay to affect additional leagues. Creating more incentive for Team League a topic that U/BlizzCooper is posting about separately in a moment. It's been shown that people remember negatives over positives.
      That leaves videogames, like HOTS, in a tough spot.
      Statistically, if someone plays enough matches they should end up at their proper rank regardless of the "stubbed toe" matches (leaver, troll, etc).
      However, it's entirely possible that someone may play only a handful of matches a week. And if I play five games with two stubbed toes that looks awful.
      Given that the perception is so negative, is there anything that can be done (it might be impossible for all I know) to address the stubbed toe problem from a matchmaking perspective?
      This touches on a lot of the things we are currently working on to make the experience better for everyone:
      Loss Forgiveness
      It sucks when you lose a game because someone disconnected and never came back and you had to play with the AI and the AI did things that aren’t becoming of a Diamond 3 player and now your Core is on fire and your team is sad and that player who left is sitting on a beach somewhere and you wish all their books became the Twilight series (or whatever kinds of books you don't like).
      Our aim with this is to make those games not count against you anymore, so you are not punished for having to complete a game in that situation, which should lessen the negativity felt for it (you still had to play it, which is a tough situation, but the result of that has been negated, and the leaver suitably punished).
      Hero League
      This kind of perception also extends to the matchmaker, when players ask, “Why am I playing a game in high GM with this low Master’s player?” This usually happens when their MMR has diverged from their rank. As we work towards switching to showing MMR for some or all our leagues, this should remove that negative perception, too.
      Quick Match
      When people are given quick match games which are 5v5 assassins, or games that feel like the balance of the players or heroes is off, this can reduce enjoyment as well, so we are working towards hardening the criteria for team composition to make the mode feel both more enjoyable and more like our other queues.
      Are there any plans to tighten the MMR differences GM players experience in their teams? Currently you can see #1GM players getting matched with 200 points masters/placements and i suspect the difference in MMR is quite big. Also showing MMR would shed a lot of light and transparency on how we are matched. Thanks.
      Currently we observe there are a small percentage of players whose MMR and Rank Points have diverged. As a result, these players end up in matches like the one you described. However, it is important to note that both MMR and Ranked Points are used when determining which players get placed into a game. Because of the divergence previously mentioned, GM players may see a lower ranked master player in their game when, in reality, that player has a higher MMR than his current rank. We are investigating potential solutions for how to reduce this divergence. In regards to displaying MMR to the player, please refer to the following reply that has more details: 
      I play in high diamond / low masters mmr in HL. My queue times are hitting 10+ minutes some nights (usually playing 9pm-12AM EST). The game quality seems worse this season then any other season. Are the matchmaking changes this season being reviewed as an improvement on your end? I'm used to 2-5 minute queue's max in previous seasons.
      First of all, congratulations on your ranking in Hero League! The match quality is something we are actively iterating on. We track numerous parameters for each match and monitor them actively. When comparing some of these parameters against last season across the entire population, we have seen a significant reduction in the difference between the highest and lowest MMR within a game, as well as the difference between the highest and lowest rank within a game. However, we still observe some outliers and it is something we are monitoring. Something to note about playing at the high diamond/low masters level is that for larger game servers the matchmaker now enforces a maximum of a one division spread for Master/GM players. As a result, if you end up with Master players in your game, you should only have Diamond 1's or GM's in the game, but never both. This can result in higher queue times. For smaller game servers, the rules are less aggressive (resulting in a slightly more broad MMR\Rank spread) in order for players to get into games within a reasonable period of time while maintaining the best quality the matchmaker can for the given players in the queue.
      When will we have quick match matchmaking where there will always be a tank and a healer?
      Sometime this fall, coming to a quick match near you:)
      Are you aware of the problems with game mode(TL/UD) populations in minor regions?
      When and how do you plan to fix them?
      Hi camerontenten! Thank you for your questions. You've touched on a few different topics so I'll do my best to try and address each of them. We are currently aware of the challenges that minor regions experience and are investigating ways to create additional incentives for players to participate in these modes that are facing challenges.
      Being able to queue for multiple modes is an interesting idea and compelling. However, there are many challenges that come with that. For example, when a player is eligible for matches in different queues, what happens? Is it a first come first serves? What happens to the other 9 players in a match you choose to not go into? We have a holding mechanic that allows players of higher ratings to place a hold on players they feel they could make a match with in the near future (whoa...psychic). A change like this would have far reaching impacts across numerous game modes and potentially create scenarios where all game modes would have a degraded performance. Don't get me wrong, I love this idea and it has been discussed within the team. However, when we make changes to the matchmaker, we validate our changes across historical data for the the population to understand the impact of the changes. With a change as complex as this we would have to verify that all game modes observed a net positive in terms of quality of games as well as queue times.
      In terms of duo queuing: 
      I agree, the game is very enjoyable with friends and I assure you we are very much invested in trying to improve the experience for our minor region heroes...of the storm:)
      How do you feel about the current state of "solo laners" and how do you feel about the current state of pocket picks like Murky?
      Hey Parrot_on_ROIDS, thanks for the question and love the name ?
      Solo laners create an interesting dynamic that is influenced a lot by the battleground you’re playing on. For the most part, we think this is an interesting role for the team and as these are typically bruiser characters, they fit well into many team compositions providing a second frontline character. In general, we see a decent variety of viable solo laners, but there is a lack of ranged character involvement. This is mostly okay but seeing a wider variety of heroes involved would probably be an improvement and something we can chase on the design and balance side.
      In terms of pocket pick characters, I think these are fine if they’re seen occasionally and in the right situation. We definitely don’t want to see the game become a “Murky meta”, but having the occasional Murky pick is fine. A general rule of thumb here would be that the more a hero forces the other 9 players in a match to drastically change their play, the more cautious we are about that hero being overly common. Murky of the old days typically meant he would split push the entire match, forcing his own team to fight in a lot of 4v5 situations which wasn’t fun for them. On the flip side, the 5-player team also had to babysit against Murky which also wasn’t fun. Assuming Murky is playing a bit more of a ‘standard’ game and participating with his teammates, then I think the situation is more enjoyable for everyone… sorry, bit of a tangent but hopefully still relevant ?
      Can we expect to see dedicated roles in QM soon (tank/healer/dmg per team)
      We are working currently on hardening the rules for roles in Quick Match. We are implementing ways in which we can make sure that people who are picking roles with low demand are more effectively informed that there are roles in demand right now that they could fill.
      Question about matchmaking in master hl. How matchmaking works currently in master? Because i have feelings that before grandmasters are up, it was different. In 2 first weeks of season I was matched with 5-9k players having 3k and then when grandmasters were announced i was started getting 0-1,5k master players having 5k points. And quality of matches were much lower. Does this work on purpose because of lower playerbase in master and harsher requirements for grandmaster players?
      Hi Ynous, thank you for your question. Whenever Master players are considered, the matchmaker will first try to make a game with players from one division, before expanding the search to the adjacent ones. It won’t let Master players be in a game that has more than one division spread (e.g. Diamond 1 and Masters are OK, Diamond 2 and Masters are not OK). This spread will only be allowed if all players to be put into a match have waited in the queue for at least 4 minutes. From matchmaker’s perspective Masters and GMs are considered to be different divisions, so when GMs were formed that player pool became separated from Masters by a wait time barrier in addition to all the other rules. In any case, for both Masters and GMs matchmaker is looking to not only make a fair game but to keep player’s MMRs as close as possible – with allowed MMR spread growing slowly over the first 15 minutes of wait time. Currently, the amount of rank points a player has inside a single division are not taken into account by HL matchmaker, so the games you have described were formed based on the MMR of the players involved. In your case, my guess is you probably were a lower MMR player in the matches before GMs were up, and now you’re probably a higher MMR player in those matches as there are fewer high-MMR players (as in, they are more likely to be in GMs now, which is a separate division).
      Would it be possible to steal the ear-destroying Dota2 ready sound? I get tired of losing 600 points and having to play low-priority. ?
      I’m not sure Valve would be too happy with that, but we are in discussions about a form of ready check. Personally, I would go with Murky’s March of the Murlocs horn or Whitemane’s laugh as a ready sound!
      1. Why is Hero League seeded from Quickmatch, when they are fundamentally different game modes?
      This has led to all kinds of abuse over the years with people purposefully cheesing QM for a higher HL rank, as well as being basically the sole reason for the common complaints of a feeling of inconsistency in the "game knowledge" of teammates at any given rank in HL.
      QM is a fundamentally randomized and unpredictable environment. As such, it gives players a warped sense of what balance is, how to form a team comp, and the meta. What makes that a good seed for HL?
      Is it unreasonable to just make Unranked Draft the only seed? UD is fundamentally much closer to HL in terms of the skillset and game knowledge required for success, so it is an infinitely better predictor of how someone will perform in the HL environment.
      2. What is the current form of decay supposed to accomplish?
      For one, it doesn't kick in until you've finished your placements, so people can just wait and do their 10 matches at the end of the season to avoid decay entirely.
      And two, It's not aggressive enough for how short our seasons are. Playing one extra match every 20 days is nothing when the seasons are only a few months long to begin with.
      One of HL's biggest issues over the years has been that the "bare minimum" of matches you can play to keep your rank is just too low, and this doesn't really solve that problem.
      Thank you for your question. Generally when you begin playing HL in a new season, there are 2 cases. In the first scenario, a player has played HL in previous season, in which case we will use your rating from that season. In the second scenario, the player has not played in the last season. Previously when confronted with the second situation, the game would look at other queues to try and use more recent information to estimate the player’s skill. The order in which we would look at the queues is: TL is seeded from HL, HL is seeded from UD, UD is seeded from QM. We changed the algorithm with the last season roll. Going forward, we will only use another queue’s information to seed a player in new season if they have never played enough HL games in any of the previous seasons to place into a definitive rank, and if they did - we will ignore other queues for seeding purposes. In other words, the issue described in the post you have linked should be resolved.
      Do you plan to make the term of MMR & RANK Decay shorter? The decay standard now seems to be a bit long.
      Hello! We are always looking to iterate on changes we make to Rating and Ranked Decay. We are monitoring the impact Ranked Decay is having on Hero League. The decay timers may be adjusted as a result. However, we won't be making any changes to the decay timers in the middle of a season as we want to ensure all players are aware of such changes before they play their placement matches (which is when the decay timers get initialized).
      Are there any plans to add a an AFK check to the start of drafts like many other MOBAs? Losing a game because one player is AFK and gets randomly assigned a hero that’s bad in the map/team comp is incredibly frustrating and honestly it feels like it could be easily avoidable.
      Hello Ankoria! This suggestion is actually something we have been considering for some time now. You can find an answer to a similar question here: 
      Have You guys considered to cover the AMA online in the future? Like Ion & Josh from WoW?
      Hi, ErothTV! We’ve approached answering questions about Heroes development many different ways over the years – from livestream or video Q&A’s with our team leaders, to reddit, forum, and social media posts by individual team members - and we will continue to try different things moving forward. We’re currently focusing our reddit AMAs on this format where we pick a specific area of the game and bring in the developers who work on that area to answer questions directly. I’ve been enjoying the way these have been going and think the individual developers being involved leads to more in-depth discussion, but please let us know if you have feedback on it or ideas on other ways we can continue improving our communication with the Heroes community. Thanks!!
      The biggest problems that occur with matchmaking seem the be around the "failure mode"s, where the matchmaker fails to find an appropriate match in the required time, and makes a wildly inappropriate match right now. Is there work on the way in degrading that more gracefully?
      Previously, the matchmaker search criteria would degrade gracefully to a cutoff point (for the party/player with the longest wait time), and then make the best match it can at that cutoff point. This would result in sometimes you being pulled into these matches being made at another players cutoff point. That is probably what you were experiencing, and we agree that this wasn't the best experience for the player. As a result we have made some improvements to it this season for Hero League. Each player now has their own search criteria. The players search criteria will degrade gracefully and only when players fit each others search criteria will they be placed together into a game—whereas previously it was based purely on the party/player search criteria who had the longest wait time. However, there is still a maximum cutoff of 15 minutes before the matchmaker makes the best possible match it can. This is currently live in Hero League and we are monitoring the experience.
      1. Replay system is so uncomfortable. Advance of replay system will make Ranked players more skillful. I heard in past interviews that the system is being improved, how long has it been?
      2.And the reconnecting system so! The reconnecting time so boring. ? 
      Hi 6igbear, thank you for your question. We think improving actual gameplay experience is higher priority than upgrading replay system. We have talked about these issues before: 
      Since then, we’ve been doing research in how networking model implementation affects player experience. While some of the improvements stemming from this research are still in progress, we have made a few fixes which are already live. Most recently, with the Whitemane patch, we were able to improve efficiency of how the game is sending user input over the network. This resulted in ~2x-3x reduction of bandwidth consumption, improving gameplay experience for players with challenging network conditions as well as speeding up ‘rejoin in progress’ for cases when network was a limiting factor. A nice by-product of that is that replay files are smaller in size as well.
      With voice comms it feels like the main disadvantage of duo queue has been eliminated. Have you considered adding duo queue back to HL?
      This is something we've discussed internally. We think there is value in ensuring players can play with friends and make new ones in Hero League. There are complications, and many differing opinions, but it's something we're considering for next year.
      Why are new heroes allowed in ranked as soon as they come out? When Alterac Pass was introduced it was delayed from rank for a week or two so people could get used to it. Shouldn't heroes be treated the same?
      Allowing new heroes in day of forces people to misuse bans because they might think someone is OP or they are afraid they're UP and a teammate with instalock them. Theres also people who go straight into ranked and mandate they have to play a hero regardless of skill/team comp. Seems like waiting a little bit is a good fix.
      Hi AlexRain1, There’s two main reasons that we allow new heroes into ranked modes immediately.
      1. It’s actually really critical for our team to collect lots of data and make meaningful balance decisions quickly. We believe that our balance patches that come two weeks following a new hero release provides a really good update cadence for the game. For those balance patches, we are able to use about a week of data from live matches to inform our decisions internally, implement and validate our changes, etc. While we absolutely do look at QM and all data available, being able to utilize data from higher level HL matches is much more meaningful. Even the fact that ranked matches require a player to be level 5 on a character first helps to validate this data further, and of course seeing pick and ban rates, is useful data in itself.
      2. The other angle is from a perspective that new and updated content is the lifeblood of this game. From reworks and significant balance changes, to of course new heroes – these are all opportunities to shake up the meta and create new strategies. The game is constantly evolving, and this can help to even resurface older heroes that may now present new synergies or counters.
      For Alterac Pass specifically, we discussed it quite a bit, but felt that having this new battleground enter ranked modes right at the end of the ranked season wasn’t the best experience. We instead wanted to create an interesting moment where the next ladder season would utilize this battleground for its entirety.
      Why Matchmaking changes are taking forever to be done ? We see new events and skins very often, are you investing more resources to make the game "prettier" instead of better ?
      We do have separate, dedicated teams focusing on each area of the game, so releasing a new Hero or a new skin does not take away attention from matchmaking or other feature work. It's critical that we continue making content while also making the game better - these things are equally important to us, and our team structure reflects that. The sensation that we move faster on content is really speaking to a different thing - content changes are more visible and tangible.
      Matchmaking is an area of game development that is incredibly challenging and perpetually evolving, not just for Heroes of the Storm, but for all games. There is no perfect matchmaking; it's always a series of trade-offs where we're striving to get the highest quality matches for the largest percentage of players in the most reasonable timeframes, all while attempting to balance an ever-increasing number of extremely impactful variables.
      Over the past 5 years, we've invested heavily in the ongoing quest to improve the Heroes matchmaking experience across the game and have made great strides along the way with changes that have been behind the scenes as well as public-facing. We've also developed tools that strengthen our ability to predict and understand the far-reaching implications of the changes that we want to make. Through all of this, we've been able to consistently improve the matchmaking experience for the vast majority of Heroes players. And while we've had setbacks, bugs, and fringe cases negatively impact some players as we've evolved the system, we believe matchmaking is one of the cornerstones of our game and will continue to dedicate a significant amount of time and resources to improving it forevermore. Speaking of which - we're always looking to hire talented Server Engineers to join the Heroes team and help support matchmaking as well as other feature development. Please apply!
      Hi, when can we expect some “balance” changes for Tassadar? He has been dangling at the bottom for months, and he is in a really akward and near unplayable spot. In Quickmatch you get matched against Global healing and splitpushing Slugs 99% of the time (why is this seen as a fair match up?). In draft you get reported for even hovering him, or if you are luckily you are not reported.. but solo supporting. I would love to play some Tassadar without trolling my team or getting split push stomped ❤️ Thanks for your time
      Hi IAreNoMonkey,
      Tassadar is someone the balance team has talked about. He could likely use some balance changes to address some of your concerns, but he may also need a larger update to better position him into a definitive role for the team. We do find that his role as an enabler for specific characters is pretty unique and can have a significant impact when paired with someone like Tracer. Whether he stays in this ‘enabler’ role or shifts to a more pure Assassin or Support is still up for debate.
      As far as matching Tassadar in QM games, we do have some changes to QM coming this fall that will help ensure games have a Tank, Healer & Ranged Assassin. This means you may still run into Tassadar vs. Abathur scenarios, but each team should also have a healer to minimize any disadvantage Tassadar may have in this specific matchup.
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      Twitch drops are back! Blizzard's giving away a Rare Loot Chest to all viewers who watch one of the clashes for a total of three or more hours. They're also randomly awarding 500 Common Loot Chests per hour and Heroic Account Unlock codes, which unlock every Hero exluding Whitemane on each broadcast day! Don't forget to link your Battle.net & Twitch accounts!
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      After your outpouring of enthusiasm during the Mid-Season Brawl for the ability to earn loot in Heroes of the Storm by watching HGC, we're bringing it back for the upcoming Western and Eastern Clashes!
      Guaranteed Drops
      All viewers who watch the Western Clash from Aug. 10 through 12 and/or the Eastern Clash from Aug. 16 through 19 on Twitch for a total of three or more hours will receive one Rare Loot Chest in Heroes of the Storm.
      Random Drops
      While the broadcast is live for both events, we’ll be randomly awarding 500 Common Loot Chests per hour. On top of that, three Heroic Account Unlock codes—which unlock every Hero excluding Whitemane—will be given away on each broadcast day. Tune in for at least one hour of the Western or Eastern Clash competition every day on any of the following channels to be entered to win one of these Heroic Account Unlocks at the end of each day.
      Eligible Channels:
      http://www.twitch.tv/blizzheroes http://www.twitch.tv/blizzheroesfr http://www.twitch.tv/blizzheroesde http://www.twitch.tv/blizzheroesru http://www.twitch.tv/blizzheroeskr Eligible Broadcast Times (PDT):
      Aug. 10 from 9:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. Aug. 11 from 9:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. Aug. 12 from 9:00 a.m. to 9:30 p.m. From 6:00 p.m. on Aug. 16 to 3:00 a.m. on Aug. 17 From 6:00 p.m. on Aug. 17 to 3:00 a.m. on Aug. 18 From 6:00 p.m. on Aug. 18 to 4:00 a.m. on Aug. 19 For more details, read the official rules here.
      Link Your Account
      To receive these legendary rewards, you must link your Twitch.tv and Blizzard accounts. Here’s how:
      Log in or create an account on Twitch.tv. Navigate to the Settings menu by clicking your account name in the top-right corner of the home screen. Navigate to the Connections tab of the Settings menu. Find the Battle.net section, then follow the given instructions after selecting a region and clicking Connect. When connecting accounts, be sure that you’re currently logged into the Blizzard account on which you’d like to receive your rewards. Click here to go straight to the Twitch settings page