wow New Expansion Announcement at BlizzCon 2017

[VictorVakaras 80]

I think they're going to add that fish race.

[Valks 2,373]

1 hour ago, Hypersonic said:

This year already was amazing and i'm really excited about next expansion. I think we can calculate dramatic changes with legendaries and the artifact system. But i dont think we need another playable class or new races now.

Class, definitely not. Not for another full expansion at least. Race, perhaps. It doesn't really affect gameplay on a balance PoV, so it wouldn't cause too many problems.

[Banard 61]

17 hours ago, Blainie said:

(1) MoP was awful with changing toons - having the block of the legendary cloak was a serious difference in DPS. 

(2)All expansions prior were only forgiving with changing if you weren't a legendary target. Got Shadowmourne........

(1)The amount of effort to get a alt raid ready has been significantly increased. There were always catch up mechanics for those leggos...and quite frankly afking in LFR in MoP/WOD for a leggo is not even in the same league. Yes, it took time but not game play time. LFR once a week until your leggo quest is caught up then get your guild to do a gear run for you. 

(2) Pre-MoP leggo don't count for switching alts.  Quite frankly, if a person who got a leggo wanted to switch toons he should never have gotten the leggo in the first place. All guilds new who was getting the leggo and who was in the list to get the leggo.  

(3)Switching toon/gearing alts has always been a time consuming process. No one will ever argue against that. People who do it are bonkers. But this expansion has significantly increased the game play time with AP farm and the leggo system. 

[Valks 2,373]

8 minutes ago, Banard said:

(1)The amount of effort to get a alt raid ready has been significantly increased. There were always catch up mechanics for those leggos...and quite frankly afking in LFR in MoP/WOD for a leggo is not even in the same league. Yes, it took time but not game play time. LFR once a week until your leggo quest is caught up then get your guild to do a gear run for you. 

But then surely if it is not gameplay time, it sucks even more. You couldn't brute force those MoP/WoD legendaries, because there was a hard cap on what you could get after a certain time each week. In Legion, in theory, you can spam absolutely every raid, dungeon, world quest, everything to get a chance at the legendary. You could play 24 hours per day, 7 days a week and keep getting legendaries (obviously you can't, but hopefully you see what I mean). This obviously isn't viable for a normal person to do, but you can still dedicate time and maximise potential for getting legendaries. 

16 minutes ago, Banard said:

(2) Pre-MoP leggo don't count for switching alts.  Quite frankly, if a person who got a leggo wanted to switch toons he should never have gotten the leggo in the first place. All guilds new who was getting the leggo and who was in the list to get the leggo.

But then let's take the perspective of raiding on alts. Let's say your guild managed to clear Ulduar and gave your Shaman raid healer and Paladin tank healer Valanyr over the course of the tier. You come into ICC and suddenly are facing the Lich King, where Priest is suddenly incredibly strong due to the shields vs. Defile, but their general output as Disc is lower in any case than other healers.

It then means you are stuck using those 2 classes, in theory, because the effect from Valanyr allows you to two heal, while you can't manage two healing as Priest + Shaman. You are then forced to 3 heal, meaning you now lack the DPS to do the fight, basically because you need Valanyr on a Priest instead. You could recruit a Priest with Val already, but then who do you replace? If the Paladin got the mace first, I assume he was the most "deserving", but a Disc would replace a Paladin over a Shaman, since they sucked as raid healers. 

Having targeted legendaries just made swapping for specific tactics so shit, because they "forced" you to be on a certain character and there was a minimum time that HAD to be invested to get it.

[DeathsDesign 92]

2 hours ago, Banard said:

(3)Switching toon/gearing alts has always been a time consuming process. No one will ever argue against that. People who do it are bonkers. But this expansion has significantly increased the game play time with AP farm and the leggo system.

People who switch toons and gear alts are people that are either trying to find that right class to play, people that are gearing for split runs, people that enjoy the game but don't want to get burned out on only one character, or any other non-"bonkers" reasons.  Hell I have 3 characters sitting around 930, and 11 110's total which is possibly too many but not the most.  I also have multiple characters above 910 ilvl.  Am I bonkers? not at all, I just get so bored committing to one character for an entire 2 years that I would quit the game and never look back.  It's called liking variety, it's called having a main that you focus on and are committed to gearing/getting achievements over other characters, but to call someone "bonkers" for gearing alts or switching toons (which usually happens when the guild needs it or the character switches roles and the current character can't perform that role) is an asinine thought process that does not take into account the human nature of short to medium range attention spans.

[Banard 61]

2 hours ago, DeathsDesign said:

People who switch toons and gear alts are people that are either trying to find that right class to play, people that are gearing for split runs, people that enjoy the game but don't want to get burned out on only one character, or any other non-"bonkers" reasons.  Hell I have 3 characters sitting around 930, and 11 110's total which is possibly too many but not the most.  I also have multiple characters above 910 ilvl.  Am I bonkers? not at all, I just get so bored committing to one character for an entire 2 years that I would quit the game and never look back.  It's called liking variety, it's called having a main that you focus on and are committed to gearing/getting achievements over other characters, but to call someone "bonkers" for gearing alts or switching toons (which usually happens when the guild needs it or the character switches roles and the current character can't perform that role) is an asinine thought process that does not take into account the human nature of short to medium range attention spans.

Sorry to me it is bonkers :P

but that is purely my opinion.  I would not ever "switch" mains and can't even comprehend it. The day i stop playing me Huntard is the day i stop playing wow.   

 

4 hours ago, Blainie said:

But then surely if it is not gameplay time, it sucks even more. You couldn't brute force those MoP/WoD legendaries, because there was a hard cap on what you could get after a certain time each week. In Legion, in theory, you can spam absolutely every raid, dungeon, world quest, everything to get a chance at the legendary. You could play 24 hours per day, 7 days a week and keep getting legendaries (obviously you can't, but hopefully you see what I mean). This obviously isn't viable for a normal person to do, but you can still dedicate time and maximise potential for getting legendaries. 

Having targeted legendaries just made swapping for specific tactics so shit, because they "forced" you to be on a certain character and there was a minimum time that HAD to be invested to get it.

What are you trying to argue?  That right now in legion it is easier for someone to get a fresh level 110 to be marginal different then a main then any xpac before legion? 

 

 

Edited September 29, 2017 by Banard

[Syktris 36]

If they continue with this horrible legendary system, I'll probably skip this xpac. Blizzard said they wanted us to feel happy and excited when we got a legendary, but the frustation when you get a horrible one and your BiS one never come is huge. There is too much RNG right now (specially with the NLC now) and this isn't so good imo (I know this is a RPG, and RNG is normal, but still).

[Valks 2,373]

1 hour ago, Banard said:

What are you trying to argue?  That right now in legion it is easier for someone to get a fresh level 110 to be marginal different then a main then any xpac before legion? 

I think that in Legion, it is easier to swap mains by brute forcing it if you have enough time. If you don't have the time to do it, then the old, passive time block system was easier. I don't think either is good, but I think one was better for some and the other better for others. 

[DeathsDesign 92]

2 hours ago, Banard said:

Sorry to me it is bonkers :P

but that is purely my opinion.  I would not ever "switch" mains and can't even comprehend it. The day i stop playing me Huntard is the day i stop playing wow.

Fair enough, everyone is entitled to their opinion.  And I get the not switching.  In my guild we have a warrior and rogue that absolutely will not play any other class (and spec in the rogues case) so yeah there are people like that, but they're much fewer and further between than those that do play alts and swap mains.  In my case as much as I love my hunter and demon hunter I was getting benched because I didn't have the legendaries to push past the plateau I was hitting (this is after going over logs and hours of practicing rotation).  For our first Heroic Kil'Jaeden kill I was on my hunter ONLY because I had an immunity and was ranged.  Next kill I got sat because we had enough immunities and my dps was lacking because of legendaries.  Next kill I was sat because my DH was lacking the legendaries to push my dps even 100k more.  We lost our off-tank and the GM asked me to level up a tank.  So I took my druid in and now I'm the guild's off-tank and never get benched because of it.  Additionally, I enjoy raid tanking because honestly... I'm better at it than I was dpsing.  Swapping chars and mains is a lot more common than people think.

[DeathsDesign 92]

1 hour ago, Syktris said:

If they continue with this horrible legendary system, I'll probably skip this xpac. Blizzard said they wanted us to feel happy and excited when we got a legendary, but the frustation when you get a horrible one and your BiS one never come is huge. There is too much RNG right now (specially with the NLC now) and this isn't so good imo (I know this is a RPG, and RNG is normal, but still).

I've considered quitting, but this is the first expansion that I've legitimately raided since MoP, and before that was TBC and early Wrath.  I hate LFR with a passion and will only do it if I have a quest for it that I can't complete any other way.  I agree about the RNG being out of control, and then with the NLC Blizzard thinks "We'll fix RNG with more RNG... It'll balance right?!?"  Ummm... No!... That's not the way this works.  2+2 does not equal the quadratic equation while calculating the required Fel energy required to power up the T.A.R.D.I.S. to travel to the Outer Limits after passing through Klingon space to get to the Twilight Zone.  (don't ask I was on a roll.... And yes I'm sure I just gave away my age)

[Kharth 9]

On 9/28/2017 at 4:42 PM, Dejo93 said:

Please God, add a new playable race or two

Murloc or the Arrokoa bird people please. The skinny ones not the fatter models

[Valks 2,373]

11 hours ago, Kharth said:

Murloc or the Arrokoa bird people please. The skinny ones not the fatter models

Sub-races would be enough for me. I'd play a Darkfallen Blood Elf any day over a new race.

[Anakun 1]

Oh boy get ready for some old godsssss.........hopefully ;)

 

[Valks 2,373]

16 hours ago, Anakun said:

Oh boy get ready for some old godsssss.........hopefully ;)

 

I'm ready for Void Jaina :p

[Dejo93 984]

On 9/30/2017 at 1:03 PM, Blainie said:

Sub-races would be enough for me. I'd play a Darkfallen Blood Elf any day over a new race.

 

Why not Nightborne? Granted, with their own skeletons, and not re-used Nelf one

[Valks 2,373]

5 hours ago, Dejo93 said:

 

Why not Nightborne? Granted, with their own skeletons, and not re-used Nelf one

I assume they'd be on the Night Elf side of subraces - I'd prefer the San'layn model anyway :p

[calvinkandie 0]

I was benched for my low performance in ST fights.  Part of the problem is my lack of ST legendaries.   I've always been towards the top of the charts consistently.  

[PatrickHenry 293]

On 9/28/2017 at 2:00 PM, DeathsDesign said:

Prevents the holy crap I got an 860 to TF to 920 cuz I got super lucky and now everyone's jelly...

...but that very aspect helps offset the 'omg i dont have got BIS leggo' argument.  

I'd say this is the single most balanced expac yet.  Bar none.