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Hello my Demonhunter Fellows! :)

I´m one of those Demon Hunter Players, that is still playing with T20 Set. But i look forward to switch to my T21 "sweet" Demonic Build soon.

So here´s my question: Theres pretty much an even opinion pool of people saying i should play with Raddon's Cascading EyesRaddon's Cascading Eyes + Anger of the Half-GiantsAnger of the Half-Giants and people saying Delusions of GrandeurDelusions of Grandeur + Anger of the Half-GiantsAnger of the Half-Giants ... I think both have a good effect with the new Demonic Build but which is better? Due to the fact, that these are 2 Set piece slots it would be nice to know which is BiS.

 

 

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As far as tier set slots, for Havoc the best T21 pieces are:  Cloak, Chest, Hands and Legs.  So neither Raddon's or Delusions will occupy 'optimal' tier slots.

Now, which is better?  Both are better.  :O. It's going to come down to type of fight, fight length, and potentially what other gear you have.  I mostly use Raddon's since they are so close, but I do use Delusions on some fights for various reasons.

Where I use Delusions and why:

Garothi:  Fight is short, extra meta wins

Portal Keeper: I go up the portals, and I can usually line up a meta on each portal.  If I stayed down, I would use Raddon's

Kin'Garoth: Again, meta pretty much lines up with the adds.  It does start to desync a bit, so I tend to pop it a bit before the first add comes up.   Probably another unleashed demon's relic would help there, but not worth sacrificing crit chaos for.

A case could be made for Delusions on Imonar, but I've found for me that Raddon's works better.   With mechanics can lose uptime on boss so the extra meta does not help much there for me.

You can pretty much use either, or switch as needed.  Just need a spare helm and shoulders with crit on to make the swap.

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On 16/01/2018 at 2:14 PM, Zilthy said:

Now, which is better?  Both are better.  :O. It's going to come down to type of fight, fight length, and potentially what other gear you have.  I mostly use Raddon's since they are so close, but I do use Delusions on some fights for various reasons.

Kill-times are going to have a huge impact on the usefulness of shoulders - there's those horrible points where you end up not getting an extra Meta use due to the time spent in the fight and they end up basically being useless. When they give another Meta, they're great, ofc, but you really need to know your own guild's kill times and your Fury spent averages to be able to tell if they're worth it.

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Any fight with more than one target, you should be using Raddons. However, on fights with limited AOE it's fine to use Delusions, they're honestly super close on fights like Garothi, Hounds(if you're guild doesn't stack them on Heroic or Normal), Immonar, Kingaroth etc. If you check the top parse's on warcraftlogs.com, you'll find that there's a split between Raddons/Delusions. But on AOE fights it's always Raddons. Also like blainie said if the fights are rather short, and you can squeeze in another 54 second metamorph, then delusions could be your bet.

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Also I was using prydaz instead of raddon's before, as i simmed higher. You can always sim yourself to show the dmg u can do!

Also something to think about is the more eye beams u get off the more time you will be in a meta form... not for 30 seconds or so but for aoe fights its great and for single target fight with the soul spawns you get eye beam a fair amount

Which you also should have mastery to help with your eye beam dmg and such so the more eye beams the more dmg

Also dont even get me started on dmg with raddons in dungeons!

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20 hours ago, Korreo said:

Also I was using prydaz instead of raddon's before, as i simmed higher. You can always sim yourself to show the dmg u can do!

You must have had an absolutely trash neck that Prydaz was replacing :p

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Pretty much everything answered in here, I just wanted to add : don't forget Sephuz :D It's already among the best ones because of the stats, but when you can reliably proc it, it's incredibly strong. I'm thinking of Antoran High Command or general mythic+, where you'd run Raddon + Sephuz ( and swap Sephuz out for Anger on bosses in the case of mythic+ ).

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