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Heroes of the Storm Patch Notes: Mar 6

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The latest Heroes of the Storm patch is now available for play, featuring updates for Anna, Sonya, Medivh, new Enforcer skins, and more.

Note: Orange text indicates a difference between the PTR and Live patch notes.

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Art

Heroes, Abilities, and Talents

  • Nova: Precision Strike has received updated visual effects.
  • Sgt. Hammer: Has received a custom Hearthstone animation.
  • Thrall: After learning the Thunderstorm Talent, a UI indicator will now appear under the Health bar of Thrall’s most recent Chain Lightning target.

Design

Trait Quests

  • The following Hero Traits are now categorized as Repeatable Quests:
    • Alarak: Sadism
      • Quest progress visual and sound effects will now play when earning Takedown credit.
      • Alarak’s Sadism Quest will now appear on the in-game Score Screen (TAB)
    • Diablo: Black Soulstone
      • Quest progress and completion visual and sound effects will now play when Diablo gains Souls.
      • Quest completion will now appear in the Event Log on the left side of the screen.
      • Diablo’s Black Soulstone Quest will now appear in the in-game Score Screen (TAB).

Heroes

Specialist

Medivh

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Medivh has received significant updates with today’s patch. Find his detailed changes below, and then head to the Sonya and Medivh Gameplay Updates blog for more insight behind these changes.

Stats

  • Health scaling increased from 4% to 4.5% per level
  • Health Regeneration scaling increased from 4% to 4.5% per level

Abilities

  • Arcane Rift [Q]
    • Damage reduced from 200 to 170
    • Additional Functionality:
      • Quest: Hit 40 enemy Heroes without dying.
      • Reward: Permanently increase Arcane Rift’s damage by 75 and the cooldown reduction granted for hitting a Hero by 1 second
  • Force of Will [W]
    • Cooldown increased from 5 to 8 seconds
    • Mana cost increased from 50 to 60
    • Upon expiration, allies are healed for 20% of the damage absorbed
  • Portal [E]
    • Cooldown reduced from 20 to 16 seconds
    • Mana cost reduced from 75 to 65  

Talents

  • Level 1
    • Winds of Celerity [Z]
      • Moved from Level 13
    • Portal Mastery (Active)
      • Additional Functionality:
        • Portals can now be cast while in Raven form
    • Raven’s Intellect (Z)
      • Additional Functionality:
        • Now also increases Health regeneration by 75% while in Raven form
      • Mana regeneration bonus reduced from 100% to 75%
  • Level 4
    • Bird’s Eye View (Trait)
      • Removed
    • Mage Armor [E]
      • New functionality:
        • An ally now gains 25 Armor for 4 seconds the first time they enter a Portal
    • Raven Familiar [E]
      • Moved from Level 7
      • Additional functionality:
        • Now also Slows enemies by 30% for 2.5 seconds.
        • A Raven now joins an ally each time they enter a Portal
    • Dust of Appearance (Active)
      • Adjusted Functionality:
        • Permanently increases vision range in Raven Form by 25%.
        • Activate to greatly increase Medivh’s vision range for 5 seconds, and reveal enemy Heroes in the area for 8 seconds. Does not cancel Raven form
  • Level 7
    • The Master’s Touch [Q]
      • Removed
    • Arcane Explosion [W]
      • New functionality:
        • Deals 90 damage to nearby enemies when Force of Will expires. Also deals an additional 100% of damage taken, up to 365 bonus damage
      • Explosion radius increased from 3 to 3.5
    • New Talent: Mystic Assault [Q]
      • If Arcane Rift hits an enemy Hero, Medivh’s next Basic Attack within 6 seconds deals 40% more damage and Heals for 40% of the damage dealt
    • New Talent: Force of Magic [W]
      • Preventing 268 or more damage with a single Force of Will grants Medivh 20% Spell Power for 12 seconds. This can stack up to 2 times
  • Level 13
    • Quickening [Q]
      • Removed
    • Astral Projection [E]
      • Removed
    • Circle of Protection [W]
      • Moved from Level 16
      • Now applies a talented version of Force of Will to nearby allies
      • Radius increased from 2.5 to 3
    • Enduring Will [W]
      • Moved from Level 16
      • New functionality:
        • If Force of Will absorbs 268 damage, its cooldown is reduced to 3 seconds
    • Reabsorption [W]
      • Moved from Level 16
      • Increases Force of Will’s Healing to 50% of the damage taken
  • Level 16
    • Arcane Charge [Q]
      • Moved from Level 7
      • Damage bonus reduced from 30% to 15%
    • Stable Portal [W]
      • Moved from Level 1
      • New Functionality:
        • Reduces Portal’s cooldown by 25% and increases Portal duration by 50%
    • New Talent: Temporal Flux (Passive)
      • Basic Attacks reduce Medivh’s Heroic cooldown by 1 second. Hitting enemy Heroes with Arcane Rift reduces Medivh’s Heroic cooldown by 3 seconds
  • Level 20
    • Invisibility (Active) renamed to: Dust of Disappearance (Active)
      • No longer costs Mana
LEVEL (TIER) MEDIVH TALENTS
1 (1) Winds of Celerity [Z] Raven’s Intellect [Z] Portal Mastery (Active)
4 (2) Mage Armor [E] Raven Familiar [E] Dust of Appearance (Active)
7 (3) Mystic Assault [Q] Arcane Explosion [W] Force of Magic [W]
10 (4) Poly Bomb [R] Ley Line Seal [R]
13 (5) Circle of Protection [W] Enduring Will [W] Reabsorption [W]
16 (6) Arcane Charge [Q] Temporal Flux [Q] Stable Portal [E]
20 (7) Glyph of Poly Bomb [R] Medivh Cheats! [R] Guardian of Tirisfal [Q] Arcane Brilliance (Active) Dust of Disappearance (Active)
  • (!) indicates a Questing Talent.
  • Italic text indicates a NEW Talent.
  • Underlined text indicates a MOVED Talent.

Support

Ana

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Abilities

  • Shrike (Trait)
    • Added functionality:
      • Ana Heals for 50% of Shrike damage dealt to Heroes
  • Healing Dart [Q]
    • Healing reduced from 237 to 215
  • Biotic Grenade [W]
    • Adjusted functionality:
      • Amplified Healing now only affects Ana’s Healing output
      • Amplified Healing duration increased from 3 to 4 seconds
  • Nano Boost [R]
    • Cooldown increased from 50 to 60 seconds
    • Mana cost increased from 40 to 60
  • Eye of Horus [R]
    • Self-cancelling no longer places the Ability on a 10 second cooldown
    • Cooldown reduced from 60 to 45 seconds
    • Mana cost reduced from 75 to 45
    • Number of shots reduced from 8 to 6

Talents

  • Level 1
    • Grenade Calibration [W]
      • Add base functionality
      • The amplified healing effect of Biotic Grenade now works on all healing
    • Piercing Darts [E]
      • 1st quest unlock
        • Range increase from 50 to 25%
      • 2nd quest unlock
        • Range increase from 50 to 25%
    • Detachable Box Magazine (Passive)
      • 1st quest unlock
        • New functionality
          • The self-healing for Shrike now also applies to non-Heroes
  • Level 4
    • Aim Down Sights (Trait)
      • Shrike activation cooldown reduced from 10 to 3 seconds
    • Air Strike [W]
      • Airborne duration reduced from 4 to 3 seconds
  • Level 7
    • Debilitating Dart (Active)
      • Cooldown reduced from 45 to 20 seconds
    • Mind-Numbing Agent (Trait)
      • Spell Power reduction per Shrike stack decreased from 15% to 10%
Developer Comment: While Ana’s current win-rate is sitting above most other Healers, and North of 50%, we have made some changes to make her feel more meaningful in solo-Support compositions. Along with the addition to self-sustain through Shrike, we also took the opportunity to do some Talent balancing as well. While there are no major outliers in terms of win-rate, she definitely has some Talents that are overshadowing others in terms of pick-rates. We have tried to address the majority of these to hopefully open up some new strategic choices for Ana players. We really enjoyed the changes internally, and we’re excited to see what players can do with them.

Warrior

Sonya

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Sonya has received significant updates with today’s patch. Find her detailed changes below, and then head to the Sonya and Medivh Gameplay Updates blog for more insight behind these changes.

Talents

  • Level 1
    • Block (Passive)
      • Removed
    • Furious Blow [W]
      • Moved from Level 16
      • New functionality
        • Every fourth Seismic Slam deals 40% more damage and costs no Fury
    • New Talent: Tough as Nails (Passive)
      • Every 12 seconds gain a stack of Block that grants 75 Physical Armor against the next Hero Basic Attack. Stores up to 3 charges. Cooldown refreshes 200% faster while Fury is active
  • Level 4
    • Focused Attack (Passive)
      • Removed
    • Shattered Ground [W]
      • New Functionality:
        • Seismic Slam deals 75% damage to all targets hit and its splash damage travels 66% farther
    • Mercenary Lord (Passive)
      • Removed
    • New Talent: Battle Rage (Active)
      • Passively increases damage dealt to Mercenaries by 25%
      • Activate to Heal for 10% of Sonya’s maximum Health. 30 second charge cooldown. Stores up to 3 charges
  • Level 7
    • Follow Through (Passive)
      • Removed
    • Ferocious Healing (Active)
      • Removed
    • Shot of Fury (Trait)
      • Moved from Level 1
      • New Functionality:
        • Activate to instantly gain 50 Fury. 40 Second cooldown
        • After casting Seismic Slam, your next Basic Attack deals 40% more damage
  • Level 13
    • Aftershock [W]
      • Removed
    • Spell Shield (Passive)
      • Removed
    • No Escape (Trait)
      • Moved from Level 16
      • Movement Speed bonus reduced from 25% to 20%
    • New Talent: Ruthless [E]
      • Whirlwind deals an additional 50 damage to Heroes below 33% Health. This damage does not generate additional Healing
  • Level 16
    • Imposing Presence (Active)
      • Removed
    • New Talent: Giant Slammer [W]
      • Seismic Slam deals an additional 2% of Heroes’ maximum Health as damage
    • New Talent: Rampage (Passive)
      • Increases Basic Attack damage by 25%
      • Basic Attacks decrease the Ancient Spear’s cooldown 0.75 seconds
  • Level 20
    • Anger Management [R]
      • Removed
    • Nexus Blades (Passive)
      • Removed
    • Ignore Pain (Active)
      • Armor reduced from 75 to 60
    • Composite Spear [Q]
      • Moved from Level 7
      • New functionality:
        • Increases Ancient Spear’s range by 50%.
        • Hitting an enemy Hero with Ancient Spear grants 25 armor for 4 seconds
    • New Talent: Striding Giant [R]
      • Wrath of The Berserker increases maximum Health by 10% and grants the Striding Giant Ability while it is active
      • Striding Giant can be activated to become Unstoppable for 2 seconds. 30 second cooldown
LEVEL (TIER) SONYA TALENTS
1 (1) Furious Blow [W] War Paint (Passive) Tough as Nails (Passive)
4 (2) Shattered Ground [W] Hurricane [E] Battle Rage (Active)
7 (3) Poisoned Spear [Q] Life Funnel (E) Shot of Fury (Trait)
10 (4) Leap (R) Wrath of the Berserker (R)
13 (5) Mystical Spear [Q] Ruthless [E] No Escape (Trait)
16 (6) Giant Slammer [W] Rampage (Passive) Nerves of Steel (Active)
20 (7) Arreat Crater [R] Striding Giant [R] Composite Spear [Q] Ignore Pain (Active)
  • (!) indicates a Questing Talent.
  • Italic text indicates a NEW Talent.
  • Underlined text indicates a MOVED Talent.

Collection

New Bundles

  • The following new bundles are available for a limited time!
    • Enforcers Bundle
    • Enforcer Johanna Heroic Bundle
    • Paramedic Morales Heroic Bundle
    • Watchdog Greymane Heroic Bundle
    • Medivh Remastered Bundle
    • Sonya Remastered Bundle

New Skins

  • Greymane
    • Watchdog Greymane
    • Arctic Watchdog Greymane
    • Desert Watchdog Greymane
  • Johanna
    • Enforcer Johanna
    • Arctic Enforcer Johanna
    • Vigilante Enforcer Johanna
  • Lt. Morales
    • Paramedic Morales
    • Covert Paramedic Morales
    • Fiery Paramedic Morales
  • Azmodan
    • Competitive Azmodunk
  • Lúcio
    • Vermelho Lúcio
  • Medivh
    • Dark Medivh
  • Sonya
    • Angelic Sonya

New Mounts

  • STORM Strider
    • Smart STORM Strider
    • Supercharged STORM Strider
  • Lucky Piggy Bank
    • The Lucky Piggy Bank mount can be purchased for 7,000 gold.
  • Ranked Season Mount Rewards
    • The following Mounts have been awarded to players who reached Platinum in Hero League or Bronze in Team League:
      • Elemental Boar
      • Azure Elemental Boar
      • Verdant Elemental Boar
    • The following Mounts have been awarded to players who reached Master or higher in Hero League or Team League:
      • Epic Elemental Boar
      • Epic Azure Elemental Boar
      • Epic Verdant Elemental Boar

Bug Fixes

General

  • Fixed a number of typo and tooltip errors across several aspects of the game.

Art

  • Abathur: Fixed a pair of small holes in Xenotech Abathur’s model.
  • Blaze: Talent icons for Adhesive Petroleum and Oil Dispersal now use different colors so they are easier to differentiate at a glance.
  • Greymane: Greymane’s Health bar will no longer move during his victory animation.
  • Greymane: The Doctor Wolf & Stein skin’s Inner Beast visual effects no longer appear misaligned during Greymane’s Hearthstone animation.
  • Sgt. Hammer: Neosteel Plating’s visual effects now correctly match Sgt. Hammer’s model while in Siege Mode.
  • Tassadar: Moving while in the Mecha Tassadar Skin’s Mount form on Sky Temple will no longer cause flickering visual effects to appear on-screen.
  • Valeera: After activating Crippling Poison and Wound Poison, visual effects on Valeera’s blades will no longer flicker while she is riding certain mounts.

Battlegrounds

  • Mage Wars (Brawl): Kael’thas can now correctly cast Verdant Spheres as soon as its cooldown completes.
  • Mercenaries: Fixed an issue in which neutral Mercenaries could spawn twice at their Mercenary Camp under specific circumstances.
  • Try Mode: Zul’jin’s Headhunter Talent will now progress correctly after killing The Lost Vikings.

Heroes, Abilities, and Talents

  • Brightwing: Soothing Mist will no longer Heal allies who are standing nearby while Brightwing is inside Anub’arak’s Cocoon, Lt. Morales’ Medivac, Stitches’ Gorge, or Zagara’s Devouring Maw.
  • Brightwing: Phase Shift can no longer be cast on Allies who are in Stasis.
  • D.Va: Fixed an issue that could cause Big Shot to deal no damage after learning the Pew! Pew! Pew! Talent and becoming affected by another damage or Spell Power reduction effect.
  • Gall: Shadow Bolt Volley’s targeting reticle is no longer visible to enemies through the Fog of War.
  • General: Fixed an issue that allowed certain Abilities to affect enemy Heroes in their own Hall of Storms:
    • Alarak – Telekinesis [W]
    • Brightwing – Emerald Wind [R]
    • Dehaka – Drag [Q]
    • Medivh – Ley Line Seal [R]
    • Stitches – Hook [Q]
  • Hanzo: Casting Storm Bow with Quick Cast turned off will no longer prevent the player from issuing movement commands by holding down right-click.
  • Hanzo: Issuing a Stop or Hold command will now correctly halt Hanzo’s movement and cancel Storm Bow’s primed state.
  • Hanzo: Casting Storm Bow immediately after Dragon's Arrow will no longer cause Hanzo to become stuck in Storm Bow’s primed state.
  • Hanzo: Striking an enemy Hero with Sonic Arrow just before they enter their Hall of Storms will no longer cause Sonic Arrow to display odd visual effects.
  • Nazeebo: Using a mine entrance or exit on Haunted Mines during Gargantuan’s summoning animation will no longer cause Nazeebo to lose control of the Gargantuan.
  • Raynor: Cooldown reduction granted by A Card to Play will no longer trigger twice after killing Leoric or Uther.
  • Rexxar: Entering a Garden Terror while Misha is dead will no longer prevent Rexxar from issuing commands to Misha after she respawns.
  • Samuro: Can no longer swap places with a Mirror Image that is in the allied Hall of Storms.
    • After some consideration, we believe this tactic can make for clever plays and have decided to revert this change.
  • Samuro: Mirror Images now correctly play Level Up and Quest Completion visual effects when Samuro levels up or completes a quest.
  • Sgt. Hammer: Commands can now correctly be queued while Sgt. Hammer is returning to Tank Mode.
  • Tassadar: Fixed an issue that could cause Basic Attacks in Archon form to deal splash damage twice to secondary attack targets after learning Prismatic Link.
  • Tassadar: Completing the Templar’s Will quest and learning Twilight Archon will no longer grant extended range to Tassadar’s first Basic Attack in Twilight Archon form.
  • Tracer: The Bullet Spray Talent now correctly increases the Melee’s radius by 40%.
  • Tyrael: The remaining duration on bonus Armor granted by the Stalwart Angel Talent after using El’Druin’s Might to teleport will now correctly appear in the Buff Bar.
  • Tyrande: The Darnassian Archery Talent’s Buff Bar icon now correctly displays the current number of stacks in addition to its duration.
  • Zagara: Fixed an issue that could cause Heroes who were caught in the center of Devouring Maw to display their exit locations before Devouring Maw expired.

Sound

  • Ana: Debilitating Dart activation is no longer audible when the player camera is far from Ana’s location.
  • Falstad: Lightning Rod is no longer audible to enemies through the Fog of War.
  • Greymane: Gilnean Cocktail will now correctly play sound effects when it hits a target in the Fog of War.

User Interface

  • Draft Mode: Using the voice volume control in a draft lobby will no longer prevent players from viewing teammates’ profiles using the right-click context menu.
  • Minimap: Ping icons will no longer appear faded on the Minimap while shaders are set to medium.
  • Score Screen: The in-game Score Screen will now correctly track quest progress for D.Va’s Crash Course Talent.

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The reign of King Blaze and Queen Maiev has been extended by 2+ weeks. Long live the king!

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Just now, Laragon said:

The reign of King Blaze and Queen Maiev has been extended by 2+ weeks. Long live the king!

Blaze is easily the most balanced tank in the game. He will never be nerfed or buffed.

Maiev still stomps teams, but only with the right setup and proper follow ups.

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29 minutes ago, Valhalen said:

Blaze is easily the most balanced tank in the game. He will never be nerfed or buffed.

Maiev still stomps teams, but only with the right setup and proper follow ups.

Blaze is broken. Bunker gives sanc level team fight saves and is only a 40 seconds CD. His self sustain wins essentially every solo lane, while also being flexible enough to run as a solo tank if your draft shifts. His wave clear is some of the best in the game while also giving constant peels and self sustain. Unless you constantly spam CD off cooldown he never goes oom. How is any of that balanced?

His bunker needs a CD nerf, badly. And his health/sustain needs adjusted, lower one of the two. His top league win rates and HGC priority rate should be a sign.

Maiev isn't as broken, but she's still genji/hanzo levels OP where she's a total game changer in the type of team you're required to draft to deal with her.

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Blaze is great, but Bunker has proven time and time again in the last few weeks across many levels of play why it should be looked at. Not entirely sure he's oppressive in solo lane, but he is definitely one of those who's simply good at everything. 

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2 hours ago, Laragon said:

Blaze is broken. Bunker gives sanc level team fight saves and is only a 40 seconds CD. 

His bunker needs a CD nerf, badly.

I feel like it's not even the cooldown; but the de-buff removal from Bunker and the armor you get when exiting it is a bit much. I've seen so often Tracer's Pulse Bomb just vanishing when they enter Bunker. Maybe the de-buffs (damage ones) being applied to the Bunker itself might make it a bit less forgiving to just pop in and out and/or tweak the armor? 

Other than that (if even) tossing the cooldown up to 55-60 would be sufficient too ;-;

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2 hours ago, Laragon said:

Maiev isn't as broken, but she's still genji/hanzo levels OP where she's a total game changer in the type of team you're required to draft to deal with her.

There is nothing wrong with strong and powerful heroes. Now I firmly believe that every hero in the game should be viable and useful and have their place and get picked now and then, it is a simple fact that because of the nature of certain hero skillsets that drafting them requires the enemy to respond in a certain way, or be at a distinct disadvantage. The fact that the meta revolves around a few top picks isn't a bad thing so long as there isn't a huge gap between the top heroes and the bottom ones.

I think the biggest problem HOTS has compared to other MOBAs is that there isn't a hardcarry role and one player can't just go out of control and win the game off their own back. Maiev/Genji/Hanzo are wonderful because they can do just that. If they don't get shut down and controlled they can mess up your entire team. And that's ok. It's not something that should be changed IMO. It adds a new dimension that HOTS previously lacked. The "assassin" archetype just doesn't feel weighty enough and many of them fit the name far too well and focus on solokills and don't have much use after they've done their job. Having a tiny subset of assassins who do more than that and can fulfill the traditional MOBA carry role is a good thing.

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4 hours ago, Stan said:

Samuro: Can no longer swap places with a Mirror Image that is in the allied Hall of Storms.

  • After some consideration, we believe this tactic can make for clever plays and have decided to revert this change.

Good thing the Devs came to their senses.

Time to test around with the changes on the live-servers.

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Personally I think that heroes like Maiev, Genji, Illidan, Tracer and Hanzo and Zeratul to a degree who have a great mobility on the battlefield are never gonna be really balanced over the whole game, simply due to the fact that those are heroes that have to be counterpicked specifically. Any form of cc can help and if your team lacks cc, you are likely doomed vs those heroes.

Maiev is just the newest example to undergo that „Oh no, the hero is way to strong, nerf her!!“ treatment that all the other heroes mentioned above had to endure as well.
The only goal here can be, to balance them in a scenario where they are not entirely counterless but also have at least some counters to them and I can imagine that this will take a little while like it did on the other heroes as well.

Imo it would be enough to increas Maiev's cc on E and D for 1 second and she should be fine. Her damage will stil be more than enough, especially vs clumped teams but you will have to think more about going all in with her.

The major problem that Hots is facing with those heroes at the moment is that 2 bans are just not enough to deal with those situationally overpowered heroes. Since there are other heroes that thrive as well when not counterpicked correctely. Just coming into my mind are heroes like Cho'Gall, Zagara and Sylvanas. Some hero combinations are even worse to deal with like Cho'Gall + Auriel, Genji + Devine Shield Uther, Tracer + Tassadar + other support.

Including a third ban would help to counteract that, as well as it would help to increase the number of heroes played in the game.

Blaze is a really great allrounder, better than every other allrounder before him. Tankier than Sonya, more waveclear than ETC and so on. He can basically always be picked to round up your team and even as a solo tank. At the moment I feel like his lane sustain needs a little nerf since, especially with the 2 globes that he can easily gather he basically never runs out of mana or hp in a 1on1 scenario and even ganking him is really hard due to his survivabilty. Slight numbertweaks and a 10 to 15 second increase on his bunker and he should be the most balanced hero in the game.


Forgot to talk about the patch btw... Does anyone else think the fact, that Ana's grenade only increases heals from her feels more like a nerf to her than what the other changes could buff her?
The only reason she sits abouve 50% is the Nano boost since she can just drop it on her hard carry and then run for her life while the nano boosted hero ripps apart the enemy team. Really feel that her other talents don't need any kind of nerf to change that.
Medivh looks so promising, really looking forward to experimenting with his build since so far I only ever played one.

The Sonya changes I did not dare to look at yet, since I main her and I am really afraid she will be nerfed and fall out of the meta, just like my former main Thrall used to (though I feel he is playable again since the latest changes)

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5 hours ago, Valhalen said:

Maiev still stomps teams, but only with the right setup and proper follow ups.

Shes pretty much nerfed to oblivion. Hp as any other melee assassin but sorry no sustain. She either stomps or is completly useless.
She feels like a squishy now. 

2 hours ago, Brutalis said:

I think the biggest problem HOTS has compared to other MOBAs is that there isn't a hardcarry role and one player can't just go out of control and win the game off their own back. Maiev/Genji/Hanzo are wonderful because they can do just that. If they don't get shut down and controlled they can mess up your entire team. And that's ok. It's not something that should be changed IMO. It adds a new dimension that HOTS previously lacked. The "assassin" archetype just doesn't feel weighty enough and many of them fit the name far too well and focus on solokills and don't have much use after they've done their job. Having a tiny subset of assassins who do more than that and can fulfill the traditional MOBA carry role is a good thing.

There are multiple heroes that can "do just that" if ignored. If you dont shut down an Abathur your structures will slowly fall, you will be hind exp and late game he can take down structures in seconds. Just an example. There are multiple other heroes that can carry like Medivh. Maiev isnt really a carry. If her team doesnt follow up shes useless. Without a sustain heal she has no staying power either. 

1 hour ago, ecO1 said:

but you will have to think more about going all in with her.

You cant go all in with her anymore. You just get focused down in 2 second without acomplishing anything. If your team doesnt dive with you youre dead before you can get a second reset on your Q. She recieved unnecessary nerfs to her Q dmg which now feels like its doing nothing and her HP which is too low considering she has no selfsustain. I think the idea that they had in mind just doesnt work. Shes melee and shes exposed to dmg. Having too much armor makes her OP. Having no armor makes her unplayable in QM. 
Melee without selfsustain just doesnt work. 

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1 hour ago, ecO1 said:

*stuff*

Including a third ban would help to counteract that, as well as it would help to increase the number of heroes played in the game.

*stuff*

I agree on adding a third or even fourth ban. Dota 2 has 4 bans a side, and over 100 heroes. While HotS doesn't have QUITE that many, it's getting close (can't be bothered to count). 2 bans a side was fine when we had ~50 heroes, but it's not enough now. Having a third ban would open up a greater variety of heroes at both low and high level. It would also make the second ban phase far more meaningful. Consider the following scenario: second ban phase, neither team has picked a Support yet. I intend to pick Alexstrasza, and I am captain. Do I ban Lucio? Stukov? Malfurion? Uther? Aside from the map, I have little way of knowing what the opposing healer intends to pick. What usually happens is I ban Lucio because that's the one I least like playing.

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i like how ana changes looks like. i hope it does on actual game as well. self heal was a long needed skill

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13 hours ago, ecO1 said:

Does anyone else think the fact, that Ana's grenade only increases heals from her feels more like a nerf to her than what the other changes could buff her?

Yes, it is. In fact they made some minor tweak nerfs all around so she can only truly shine with specific builds. Now you can only increase the global bonus heal with the Biotic Grenade build, which I'm fine with since it's my choice of build.

On the other hand, now the Shrike build looks very tempting to play with.

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11 hours ago, xevex said:

Shes pretty much nerfed to oblivion. Hp as any other melee assassin but sorry no sustain If her team doesnt follow up shes useless. Without a sustain heal she has no staying power either. Melee without selfsustain just doesnt work. 

There are LONG ways to go before you can call Maiev "nerfed to oblivion" imo. That happened to Tyrael pre-rework; numbers nerf, mana cost increases, removal of good talents leaving him pretty much with 1 choice per tier. He kept getting picked in competitive because his Heroics were and remain very good and because of Holy GroundHoly Ground but it was just that; he was pretty much trash anywhere else than tournaments.

Now, if Maiev had any form of self-sustain, she would 1v5 ez, without breaking a sweat. Her only real "counter", if you could even call it that, would be those really strong 1v1 Heroes or if anyone or 3-4/5 people on enemy team have access to ability damage reduction. But whether it is dueling power (she's never meant to solo anyways, if you do you're doing something wrong) or magic armor, they come later in the game when she's able to have her armor + damage increase imbaOPbroken talent combination. Zeratul gets redonkulous sustain with Mending StrikesMending Strikes provided he can keep whacking but even he can't dive in the whole enemy team and kill 2-3 at least with ease-if Maiev had that... the horrors... Artanis could use some self-sustain imho. 

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There are LONG ways to go before you can call Maiev "nerfed to oblivion" imo. That happened to Tyrael pre-rework; numbers nerf, mana cost increases, removal of good talents leaving him pretty much with 1 choice per tier. He kept getting picked in competitive because his Heroics were and remain very good and because of Holy GroundHoly Ground but it was just that; he was pretty much trash anywhere else than tournaments.

Now, if Maiev had any form of self-sustain, she would 1v5 ez, without breaking a sweat. Her only real "counter", if you could even call it that, would be those really strong 1v1 Heroes or if anyone or 3-4/5 people on enemy team have access to ability damage reduction. But whether it is dueling power (she's never meant to solo anyways, if you do you're doing something wrong) or magic armor, they come later in the game when she's able to have her armor + damage increase imbaOPbroken talent combination. Zeratul gets redonkulous sustain with Mending StrikesMending Strikes provided he can keep whacking but even he can't dive in the whole enemy team and kill 2-3 at least with ease-if Maiev had that... the horrors... Artanis could use some self-sustain imho. 

If you cant even pull heroes without dying or taking a massive amount of dmg in the best case scenario then thats what i call "nerfed to oblivion". Not to mention her Q doesnt even feel threatening anymore. 

Im not talking Iliidans/Zeratuls sort of selfsustain. Im talking about self-sustain that let you not hearth back after every engage attempt if you somehow end up with a non-sustain healer that cant top you off or no healer at all. 

I certainly know shes is not a duelist never expected her to be or wanted her to be. 

But diving the whole enemy team is her whole point. Ofc shes not supposed to dive alone since she would be dead in 2 seconds but still. Right now shes has to tap a well after every dive if shes doesnt die which is the most likely scenario. 

And her whole talent tree is just plain. They are maybe 2 builds. 1/3 of it is just completly unviable.

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18 hours ago, PixieKnight said:

agree on adding a third or even fourth ban. Dota 2 has 4 bans a side, and over 100 heroes. While HotS doesn't have QUITE that many, it's getting close (can't be bothered to count). 2 bans a side was fine when we had ~50 heroes, but it's not enough now. Having a third ban would open up a greater variety of heroes at both low and high level.

I TOTALLY agree with we need a 3rd ban in draft now. I was just thinking about this the other day too. Two DEFINITELY isn't enough anymore. There's just way to many counters to the ones you ban now. You ban Genji, they just go Maiev or Greymane. You ban Tychus and pick two tanks. Then they just go Maltheal instead.

 And the current count on heroes now as of Maiev is 77. So yeah, every 25 heroes you need another ban added to draft. Once we reach over 100 heroes we need a 4th ban added like you mentioned is in DOTA2.

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Tell me, if I have a losing streak in Ranked Season qualifiers, should I quit Heroes? I'm sick of playing healer, cranking out a ton of healing, never dying, and losing every game because two guys start arguing at draft and don't give it a rest the whole game.

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I am not sure if someone has already commented on it, but I didn't expected the new police skins to be just Epic and not Legendary. Now we just need Blizzard to remove gem only skins and I will be super glad :D

Cheers everone!

 

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19 minutes ago, BigFrenchNose said:

I am not sure if someone has already commented on it, but I didn't expected the new police skins to be just Epic and not Legendary. Now we just need Blizzard to remove gem only skins and I will be super glad :D

Cheers everone!

 

Yea I just checked those out a little while ago and was pleasantly surprised to see none of them were legendary. Lunar Festival stuff tapped me out on shards, but it won't take long to afford Epics.

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On 7/3/2018 at 7:21 PM, xevex said:

If you cant even pull heroes without dying or taking a massive amount of dmg in the best case scenario then thats what i call "nerfed to oblivion". Not to mention her Q doesnt even feel threatening anymore. 

Im not talking Iliidans/Zeratuls sort of selfsustain. Im talking about self-sustain that let you not hearth back after every engage attempt if you somehow end up with a non-sustain healer that cant top you off or no healer at all. 

I certainly know shes is not a duelist never expected her to be or wanted her to be. 

But diving the whole enemy team is her whole point. Ofc shes not supposed to dive alone since she would be dead in 2 seconds but still. Right now shes has to tap a well after every dive if shes doesnt die which is the most likely scenario. 

And her whole talent tree is just plain. They are maybe 2 builds. 1/3 of it is just completly unviable.

Lacking a healer plus no way to heal yourself is surely bad, I've experienced that with Jaina a lot (for a long while she was the only assassin incapable of healing herself). Maiev is still in a more than ok spot imho, wouldn't call her overnerfed like pre-rework Tyrael, 2 builds is a lot better than barely having 1 available every single time. Indeed you can't just dive alone an enemy team who's smart without proper follow-up but she surely still has the capacity for insta-gib imho (you can do the trick with the Spirit of Vengeance to make sure you'll get the proc).

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58 minutes ago, SteveFrost said:

Lacking a healer plus no way to heal yourself is surely bad, I've experienced that with Jaina a lot (for a long while she was the only assassin incapable of healing herself). Maiev is still in a more than ok spot imho, wouldn't call her overnerfed like pre-rework Tyrael, 2 builds is a lot better than barely having 1 available every single time. Indeed you can't just dive alone an enemy team who's smart without proper follow-up but she surely still has the capacity for insta-gib imho (you can do the trick with the Spirit of Vengeance to make sure you'll get the proc).

Yeah but try playing her in QM. Its a completly different story. Blizzard is always trying to make all heroes playable across all levels of play but Maiev in QM is a disaster. Played her in HL she was pretty good, Ana kept me alive a lot but she still dies easy even with a healer. 

Actually, i notice that the Spirit of VengeanceSpirit of Vengeance into Umbral BindUmbral Bind is only really good when you want to make use of enemies positions and lock them down in a Warden's CageWarden's Cage. Otherwise its better to just Umbral BindUmbral Bind and Spirit of VengeanceSpirit of Vengeance to get an insta pull. 

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      Hey maguszeal, thanks for the question.
      It's true that the pendulum has swung in the opposite direction for Tormented Souls after the changes giving Malthael cleaving attacks. We've toyed around with the idea of making some changes to make sure that it's still an attractive pick that offers something useful (and unique), but we don't have anything ready to share right now. It's likely that whatever will be done would focus on dealing spread damage, as well as enhancing Reaper's Mark-focused gameplay.
      Anecdotally, when we were working on Malthael's cleaving changes, we knew that there was a possibility that Tormented Souls would lose value so we experimented with a few changes to it then. One of them was trying to make it deal flat damage that was increased by enemies affected by Reaper's Mark, but we decided to shelve the idea because it felt pretty similar to Kerrigan's Maelstrom.
      It's something that we might revisit soon, since we think having an AoE-focused Heroic for Malthael is good design space to explore.
      Any news regarding the Role Rework?
      Hello, Gnueless! I'm excited for the role changes and yes, we've been preparing for them with some shifts in surrounding areas. We don't have a solid release date as of yet, but if all goes well, we hope to roll out the update later this year. 
      So...Soon™ to Soonish™.
      Are there any plans to continue to release "quirky" heroes in the future? (Similar to Abathur, Cho'gall, Murky) I always felt like that was HotS' niche was that they weren't afraid to create heroes that were very unique in their play. Lately it seems the development team has focused on more traditional playstyles rather than quirky ones.
      The short answer is "yes, we'd like to", but I also want to share some of our philosophy.
      The biggest hurdle to making heroes that break fundamental game rules is that it's not good enough to just make them fun to play -- they also have to be fun to play alongside and against. If a hero is extremely fun, but your teammates groan when you lock them in, it's fair to say that's not a satisfactory place for that hero to be in. I think it's cool to have heroes that are a little more niche and don't show up as often, and do unique things because it makes the games where they do show up more special. They're awesome when they work out.
      Currently I'd say Abathur is a great example of what we want to see from these types of heroes. He's relatively rare, but shows up in games often enough that players are familiar with who he is and what he does. Players generally recognize what a good Abathur is capable of and how to adapt their play when he's on their team. Most importantly of all, our game is very much about team fights, and despite his weirdness Abathur has a clear and reliable way to contribute that doesn't leave his team feeling like they're fighting 5v4.
      We want to make more heroes that fit in that space and continue to explore ideas. We originally wanted to do Ragnaros as a "core replacement" hero who would sit in your base in all his raid boss glory and command fiery minions on the battlefield. We ultimately decided not to do this for fantasy reasons (it just didn't feel like Ragnaros if you couldn't smite insects with your own two fiery hands), but the gameplay is still promising and we want to revisit it at some point with a more appropriate hero.
      We also try varying levels of wacky ideas on almost every new hero we make. There were points in development where Stukov could revive dead heroes as Zerg constructs with unique abilities, Alexstrasza could heal enemies, Mephisto could make enemy heroes hostile to each other... We have good reasons for why we didn't end up implementing those examples, but the point is we're not afraid to try new things and look for ways to surprise our players that are both fun and make sense within the context of our game.
      Put simply, we want to make heroes that are unique, AND that players are still excited to play and play with 3, 6, and 12+ months after they come out. This is a very difficult standard to achieve when it comes to truly rule-breaking heroes, but it's something we're excited to keep chasing.
      Ana
      Ana’s Detachable box magazine has been left untouched after quick emergency change. Does the team has any play on this talent?
      Will Ana receive her update to make her basic kit interact like Overwatch too? i.e. heal pass through full health.
      Does the dev have plans on updating Eye of Horus to increase its attractiveness as well as aim down sight and custom optic?
      Thank you.
      Good morning Boom0128!
      I will try to answer all three questions for you - I think the fantasy and reward for Detachable Box Magazine are awesome and would like to keep these. However, the way it is unlocked could probably be tweaked in the future.
      Ana's Healing Dart will indeed be gaining the functionality to pass through full life Heroes in a future patch!
      As for updating Eye of Horus and Aim Down Sights - these will most likely be addressed when we get ready to do a full pass on her talent tree (potentially a rework).
      Game design: Why can't Catapults be blinded, when Siege Giants (similar projectile) and Minions (same classification) can?
      Hey Zanzure!
      This was a bug that has been fixed in the Kerrigan\Brightwing rework patch. You should see the change to address this go live next week sometime.
      What proportion of Heroes are flagged as needing a rework a la Kerrigan and Brightwing, and can the team share the list of Heroes who make up this proportion?
      Great question JimmyTurx!
      The short answer is that it varies. There was a point last year where we had almost 5 Hero reworks in flight at the same time (boy, that was crazy). Since then, we have gone into a much more stable timeline for them and normally have Live Designers working on about 2 at any given time. We normally have a rotating list of about 8 to 10 that we want to work on, but there are many times where someone not on that list sneaks in (Tyrande for example).
      There is (IMO) a lack of frontline supports in HotS. Not necessarily supports trying to be a pseudo-dps, but someone who isn’t afraid to fight alongside their frontline with strong defensive tools. The roster overwhelmingly leans toward fragile, divable heroes, and we only have three genuine melee supports in Kharazim/Uther/Rehgar. This is why I believe people are still upset about no self-casting Ancestral; because Rehgar is one of the few supports who shouldhave a resilient/aggressive playstyle, but was deliberately hamstrung. 
      Is there any chance we will see more supports that can stand up with the frontline, or have mechanics added to require/encourage that gameplay (similar to Insight/Transcendence Kharazim, or Malf/Whitemane but melee)? A great example of what I’m describing would be Brigitte from OW.
      You mean you don't play Deckard as a frontliner? >_>
      Kidding aside, I think this is fair feedback and that there's definitely room in the roster for more of these types of heroes. I'll defer to the Live Design team when it comes to our plans for existing supports, but in general our philosophy has moved toward increasing emphasis on interactive & skill-based gameplay for support heroes, and frontline supports feel like a natural fit for that type of gameplay.
      There are many factors we consider when deciding which heroes to add to the game so I can't make any immediate promises, but we'll be keeping this in mind as we look to add more support heroes in the future.
      I have a question about the state of Mana:
      New heroes normally dont have mana issues if they have mana at all (Genji, Hanzo, Tracer,Maiev,Deckard, Yrel, Whitemane,Fenix,Junkrat). Older heroes like Rehgar or Uther are out of mana after the first mid lane brawl. 
      Is this discepancy intentional or do you want to close this Mana cost gap?
      Thank you for the question Kallesin.
      This is actually a very hot topic right now among us. We have an hour long meeting this week to align ourselves with what Mana means to our game and what direction we want to move towards. 
      While it is a very powerful tool from a balance design perspective, it is not really 'fun' to run out of Mana. Since our game is fast paced and 'brawly', I think we need to be a little on the forgiving side when it comes to Mana tension.
      As more heroes enter the Nexus, knock backs and displacements in the game are increasing. Will dazes/knock backs ever become keywords and have talents that interact with them?
      For example, supports have ways to give armor or interact with stuns/silences/slows, but the only way to deal with knock backs is Cleanse, or other Unstoppable effects. Will this continue as is, or will there be other ways to counter play?
      Hey USSKorolev, thanks for the question.
      Just to clarify for some readers, we have a number of displacement abilities that also have stuns tied to them. For example, Johanna’s Condemn, Garrosh’s Wreckling Ball, or Junkrat’s Concussion Mine. One of the key reasons to have these stuns is to break moving channeled abilities such as a Li Li’s Jug of 1,000 Cups. Another core reason is that the stun can help to add “weight” to the ability and make it feel a lot better to use. Without the stun on Condemn, heroes would immediately start moving following the initial displacement, often due to previously queued up move orders, and the ability just wouldn’t feel right. That pause helps players to recognize the impact and allows Johanna a small opportunity to capitalize on this ability.
      There are of course a number of displacement abilities that do not have this stun which we refer to as “dazes”, including ETC’s Face Melt and Falstad’s Mighty Gust. I’m not sure we have discussed adding a new keyword to interact with these abilities specifically, although it’s an interesting thought.
      We’re always interested in giving players counterplay options, so it is something we will talk about internally. I do think there are a few issues though which I’ll go through: 
      First off, most knockbacks happen extremely quickly, too quickly for you to react once they occur in many cases. Take the ETC Face Melt example, you’d basically have to preemptively use your counter to avoid the displacement – which gets into the territory of pre-cleansing and Unstoppable effects, which we already have. If we said this new counter was always on and waited for a displacement effect to hit you (i.e. Spell Shield), then I’m not sure how fun that would be to play against. If you see someone with Spell Shield, you can often try to poke this off with a weaker ability, but you may not have a secondary displacement effect that you can use to remove this new buff.
      Another thought is, we must be careful about how niche we make talents or abilities. Pointing a talent towards a very specific use case will often go unpicked and we will end up adding secondary effects to the talent for it to become an attractive option. In a lot of cases, those secondary effects can overshadow the original design and that becomes why you pick the talent. As an example, take Ana’s level 13 talents, one is for Stuns while the other is to counter Slows and Roots. We ended up having to put secondary effects on these talents to make them useful in more cases, and now those secondary effects have become the primary reason to pick these talents in a lot of cases (i.e. more healing vs. armor).
      On map design
      It seems like there is a shift towards maps with a single must-win objective (e.g. Hanamura rework). Some players find this is good, as the simplification requires less strategic thought and team coordination. By and large, it simply involves making sure you are at least on even level tiers and win the team fight to get the objective. 
      For other players, this simplification goes a little too far. There is really only "one way" to win the match, especially with the recent nerfs to other map strategies such as split pushing (for better or worse). I was wondering what your map design principles are and whether the team is fine with having one straightforward and clear method of winning, or are there plans to create more strategic depth to maps, whether this is adding new map mechanics or enabling different team comp metas. 
      On a personal note, I would love to see more map mechanics added to some maps as it would open up more macro play options and increase the replay value of those maps.
      We purposefully crafted our battleground design principles so they do not steer us toward a specific type of map objective. Instead, they focus on driving the game forward, managing emotional tension, and providing mechanical and visual variety (among others). There’s no principle that tells us to collapse players into a small area for a highly impactful, centralized objective. It’s true that we’ve been doing that more than usual recently (Volskaya Foundry and Hanamura Temple for sure, Alterac Pass and the Garden rework to some extent) but this is not the new standard.
      General: Frequently Blizzard will include very small numbers changes that don't appear to be intended to seriously shift a heroes power level. Are these intended as signals to the player base to rethink how they're approaching the hero or are you using data to tell you to do those very fine tuned changes?
      Hey ChaosOS!
      First off let me say - "Thank you so much for all of your work and passion for the Heroes community!"
      Now, to address your question: Small number tweaks are normally done when a Hero or Talent is just slightly off-balance. While losing 2 Basic Attack damage is pretty minor for most Heroes, Raynor might see a slightly larger shift since the vast majority of his damage output comes from there. 
      For a different example - there are a lot of times where we may see a vast difference in pick rates between talents on a tier, but parity between win-rates. Sometimes we might do a slight nudge to the under-picked talent in order to get players to reevaluate it. Sometimes it takes multiple nudges before the community starts using and respecting it (Mighty Gust for example).
      What's the great plan for illidan? Why not just buff his 10.
      Any insight on that? He does not need a rework just specific 10 buffs, Hunt back to 60~75 sec CD and moving some 20 demonic form buffs to 10 IMO.
      Hey TheGameOn, thanks for your question about The Betrayer. He's one of my personal favorite Heroes.
      Right now Illidan primarily takes The Hunt because it offers unique and fun gameplay, so we aren't all that upset that it's the more commonly picked Heroic ability. That being said, Metamorphosis is being chosen 40% of the time in higher level Hero League, though it doesn't always feel like it. It isn't winning nearly as much though, so there might be room for improvement.
      Illidan isn't seen all that often partly due to this being an unfavorable metagame for him. With a bruiser-heavy meta, not only is there a lot of crowd control to deal with him, but also fewer squishy targets for him to chase down. Just a year ago Illidan was very meta, and hasn't seen many changes since, so we're confident that maybe small tuning changes combined with a more favorable meta will allow him to fulfill his niche in the game again.
      Why do you prefer slower, larger scale reworks over smaller, more abandunt changes?
      We see time and time again heroes get ignored for months/years and they slowly devolve into a critical state requiring a full on rework like raynor, kerrigan, vikings, chen. 
      We have other heroes that are at a decent winrate with low use/unused talents that havent been changed for a while, making for a 1-dimensional talent builds and overall less compelling interactivity and gameplay, yet these issues go seemingly ignored for an incredible amount of time.
      Hey Dreadnought7410!
      We don't prefer to do slower, larger scale reworks over small changes--they both have their uses. We've released balance patches regularly with many changes to multiple heroes over time, and generally save large reworks for heroes who need more sweeping changes.
      There are advantages and disadvantages to smaller balance tweaks and large rework changes. I went over many of these specifics in our last AMA, but some things we think about are:
      The larger the rework, the greater the risk of hurting the hero's core identity. Even if you make a slam dunk design, it will not have as great a chance of being widely accepted if it significantly alters the hero's fantasy.
      As you mentioned, more abundant changes means that the game is fresher for more people, and fewer heroes are left alone for less time.
      Small number or functionality tweaks can make talent builds feel fresh, which in turn makes the hero feel new and exciting without the need for a major rework.
      That said, large reworks are sometimes necessary. Some examples of why this happens are:
      To update older heroes and bring them in line with current design philosophies. To carve out a role for heroes who have fallen out of use relative to other heroes currently favored in the game. To solve fundamental design issues with their kits. Going forward, you can expect to see us make numerous smaller changes to improve hero and talent pick/win rates. For example, today we just released a balance patch with changes for 17 different heroes.
      General: What does the process for building a balance patch look like? How do you decide what issues to tackle, how do you test ideas in terms of doing what you want them to do, and when are things locked in for implementation and bugtesting?
      Hey ChaosOS!
      Every week the members of the balance team meet to talk about the state of the game. One of the things we do during this meeting we all bring up individual changes/heroes/issues that we would like to see addressed in the upcoming balance patch.
      In regards to how we decide what issues to tackle, there isn’t a single method, as our decisions can come from various sources. Some of these are:
      We have a lot of data that we can look through to find anomalies. We can see hero and talent win/play rates across various filters to see if something is over/underperforming.
      We watch pro play and have discussions about what is happening there.
      We all play the game regularly, and use our personal experience to see where we can make improvements for the average player.
      We look at heroes who haven’t been tweaked in awhile to see if there’s any room to make changes.
      We make the actual changes the week before the patch releases so that we have time for QA to check the changes and fix bugs.
      Sometimes for larger balance changes, for example Artanis’s changes that came out in a balance patch, we will test the changes for weeks/months in advance and merge them into the next balance patch once we’re confident in the design.
      I am curious, which hero did you think would be extremly OP on release, yet turned out to be very weak.
      Vice versa, which hero did you feel was UP, but turned out to be overtuned on release?
      Hey SeeALot, great question.
      Lunara was a character we thought would be OP on release and we were a little worried about, however she ended up being really low initially and needing lots of buffs.
      Malthael is an opposite example where the balance team felt he was fairly solid overall but the larger development team thought he was going to be really weak. Malthael ended up completely crushing the solo lane and being extremely powerful upon release.
      Thoughts on heroes who almost always only has a single talent in certain tiers? examples being garrosh picking into the fray, dehaka picking feeding frenzy, ana picking sleep dart quest
      We put a lot of work into building out talent tiers and trying to offer players interesting choices, so when a single talent ends up dominating a tier it's pretty disappointing.
      The Hero Design team does the initial work of designing talent trees for all new heroes, and most of the time we can recognize and prevent these cases early so that the Live Design team never has to worry about it. This is something I feel we're getting even better at as we learn from previous talents like Into the Fray or Glacial Spike, and even from Heroic abilities like Cleansing Flame that end up as one-sided choices.
      When lopsided talent tiers do make it out the door, it forces us to think very carefully about how we want to bring them back in line. Usually the reason these talents are so popular is that they're very fun to use or provide key utility a hero doesn't otherwise have - so simply removing or weakening them may not be the way to go. In that case we can either-
      A: Make the effect baseline (as with Glacial Spike on Kel'thuzad) and reshuffle other talents accordingly
      or
      B: Revisit the talents on that tier and try to make the other two choices feel just as impactful (as with Holy Ground on Tyrael)
      Which of these options is preferable varies case-by-case, but the most important value is not to undermine what's cool and enjoyable about a hero with whatever changes we decide to make. Given the choice between having uneven talent picks, or making a hero less fun overall, we'd prefer to wait on changing the talents until we're confident that our changes will have the desired effect.
      Hi homer12346,
      We do review talent trees to make sure there is some diversity in options. The goal would be that every talent is viable in some situations and your talent selection can feel fluid based off the match state, team compositions, etc. If there are two solid talent options at a tier that garner the majority of picks and a third lesser chosen one, this can still be okay as long as there is some scenarios where this third (or fourth) talent can be viable. Sometimes it’s purely a personal playstyle preference for why players pick certain talents, other times it can be different skill bands where some players may simply avoid active talents all together.
      Funny enough for Feeding Frenzy, while it is the most picked talent, Symbiosis does still see around 20% of the picks and has an overall higher win rate. ?
      Xul: As you have noticed, he became a maintank in certain comps (shown in the HGC). Are you happy about this and do you have plans for him, either making him a real maintank (like changing his role from assassin to Tank) or tune him more into the assassin role wih removing some survivability?
      Hey Elegostelkai!
      Right now we're pretty happy to see Xul in HGC, and in general we like to see weird/wacky comps have their time in the spotlight. A core tenet of our design philosophy is that we want to push the boundaries of what a conventional MOBA is, and as such we're excited when our players do the same.
      That being said, if an off-meta strategy becomes too powerful and dominates pro-play for too long, it can be a problem if it drastically warps the fundamentals of our game and take it to places where there isn't enough interaction between both teams. 
      We don’t currently have any plans to change Xul due to his recent games in pro play. We’ll be keeping an eye on it, but for now, we’re cool with it.
      How are you guys reacting to the pushback against the mobility Overwatch heroes have brought into HotS? By that I mean, is this feedback you've listened to and found yourselves agreeing with, which you will apply for future hero releases or do you feel different, and if so how/what?
      Tracer and Genji's translation into the game has really shaken up the game and the community, given that their kits and mobility break a lot the core mechanics and penalties of the genre. Combining high damage with ranged attacks, while being able to apply it on the move. Mages and older HotS heroes, in particular, adhere to these limiters and have to sacrifice mobility or expose themselves in order to apply their damage. Tracer and Genji have an easy time getting in and out of combat while being nigh impossible for most heroes to shake off while taking very significant damage. 
      Very frustrating, being killed by heroes which do not adhere to the moba mechanical rulesets which restrain most other heroes. Especially by characters from a new Blizzard universe which after 3 years is still struggling to establish itself. (We've embraced the characters, but there's still no real plot or enough world building for it to currently stand next to IPs such as Diablo, Warcraft and Starcraft. Though I understand that they can bring interesting new mechanics and gameplay to the game.
      Hey Mozerath, thanks for your question! Mobility in Heroes is something that we've been watching for a long time.
      To start with, we've always pushed the boundaries with Hero Design in HotS; we think that it's one of the things that makes Heroes of the Storm special. We have characters like Cho'gall, Abathur, or The Lost Vikings that really "break the rules" of traditional character design. The key to these characters is adjusting their power the appropriate amount while keeping these unique traits in mind.
      The great mobility offered by Tracer and Genji is another one of these unique traits, though not as flashy as a two-headed ogre. We knew that during development they would need to be balanced around it (in fact at one point Tracer had so little Health that she was being one-shot by Nova). We didn't anticipate how much we would need to tune them down though, so unfortunately they've been steadily nerfed (for the most part) since their release. We think they're much healthier than they started in terms of balance at this point, though we're always looking to make further tuning adjustments when we think the time is right.
      We do have other characters in the game with high amounts of mobility (as has been pointed out in this thread). Illidan, Zeratul, and Lucio are good examples. The biggest difference between them and Tracer or Genji is that their mobility has more conditions. These include target selection (Illidan's Dive), range limitations (Zeratul's Blink), or inability to travel over terrain (Lucio's Movement Speed). These added forms of counterplay make these abilities feel better to play against than they would otherwise, and allow us to really push the envelope with them.
      At this point, we think that the low-condition mobility from Tracer and Genji makes them special, and we likely won't add more characters with this level of mobility without conditions. But we do think that mobility is a great way to allow players to make flashy plays and has a high skill cap, so you'll likely see more forms of it with added counterplay in the future.
      Some heroes have heroic abilities with extremely low pick/win rate. For example: Lili's Dragon, Kelthuzad's Frost Blast, Mephisto's Durance and Guldan's Rain.
      Are there any plan for changing how these skills work fundamentally beside number tweaks?
      Hello blacktiger226,
      We are always looking to bring both win and pick rate parity to all Heroics. The reality is that it is actually very difficult sometimes without making sweeping changes. Some of the examples you list above fit that bill and will most likely see changes if and when they are looked at for reworks ?
      On developing new heroes, I wonder if we will have heroes of the Heroes of the Storm universe or if all the heroes will be from other Blizzard universes
      One of the many amazing things about Heroes of the Storm is that ANYTHING is possible in the Nexus!
      I feel like there's a lot of controversy around Garden of Terror and a lot of people saying it lost it's identity mainly (including myself unfortunately). That said, what are your guys plans for other maps like Blackhearts Bay? I think it would be good if the team communicated more with the community before putting so much effort into a map redesign.
      The Garden of Terror rework was done in response to years of consistent player feedback (in community discussion and in our own user experience research) saying Garden was among the least-loved maps in the game. Our goals for the rework were to preserve the map's thematic elements (seeds, shamblers, terrors, weather effects) while removing the elements that made so many players sigh when they saw the loading screen (chasing a vehicle around, eternal night phase, zero sum double vehicle phases, vehicle time-out).
      We iterated on the Garden rework several times internally. First we tried small changes like repositioning/renumbering shambler camps, changing timers, and changing the vehicle's abilities and spawn point, but none of those changes made the map notably more fun or interesting. The map still had the same problems it did on live servers. Then we went wild for a bit with experimentation - at one point we had a completely new layout and a "siege vehicle" objective reward that could dig in, spawn bushes around it, spawn shamblers to push in a direction, and shoot out burrowing seed bombs that detonated for aoe damage. We tried a "gauntlet" type design where we spawned a series of seeds, one at a time, all over the map, and the first team to gather three won the objective. Those were interesting experiments, but they each had their own fatal problems. Ultimately, we found that the version on PTR right now provided the most fun we've ever had on Garden. The story might not be over, though. We're confident that this version of Garden will do much better than its original version, but if we're wrong, we'll do what we need to do.
      As for Blackheart's Bay, we do plan on adjusting the map, but we currently do not expect a complete mechanical overhaul like the Garden rework.
      Any plans on having shuffle pick be an option in custom games? (instead of forcefully enabled for ARAM?)
      It makes doing, for example, 1 versus 1 battles on the same hero impossible on Lost Cavern since you are forced into a new hero upon game start.
      Adding a Shuffle Pick option to the custom games screen (with some additional buttons and levers to customize it further) would be cool, I agree.
      You recently vastly improved the reconnect feature. Will a spectate feature ever be added?
      Hi, reddituser25987! We continue to improve the rejoin functionality and while doing so are touching areas of the game that could, eventually, make spectating a possibility...
      HOWEVER, while we'd love to watch HGC games live in client or check out our friends playing while waiting to party up, we have no plans to prioritize a spectate feature above the myriad of core game systems and features that we want to keep improving at this time.
      Tooltips are very inconsistent. 
      [[Archon]] states its splash radius. [[Fury of the Swarm]] doesn't say what the splash radius is.
      [[Water Dragon]] lists the range in which it summons. [[Divine Reckoning]] doesn't list its radius.
      [[Maelstrom]] says "per second" while dealing damage every 0.25s, while [[Fend]] states its tick rate (every 0.25s).
      [[Varian/Charge]] can target structures. [[Colossus Smash]] can not. It's impossible to know cases like these from the tooltip.
      Generally, information seems to be extremely lacking in tooltips.
      Also, summon descriptions are nearly always extremely lacking. They sometimes state health, sometimes state attack speed and usually damage. Why are they not always mentioned? For example:
      [[Abathur/trait]] lists the Locust's health, but most others don't (say, [[Ultralisk]]). Right now on the PTR Ultralisk now doesn't even state its attack damage (only the skillshot's damage, and that it splashes for 50% when attacking). [[Gargantuan]] doesn't even mention the stomp's damage, or the fact that it slows!
      Writing good tooltips is a really important and often underappreciated skill in game design. It becomes particularly challenging when you have a really big game being made by many people, and a ton of heroes made over several years alongside and evolving design philosophy.
      You're totally on the mark that our tooltip consistency could be better and it's something we've been gradually working to improve. I don't think we'll do one "huge" update in a single patch per se, but we regularly revisit our tooltips (especially during hero reworks) and plan to continue those efforts going forward. If you see anything that looks particularly off, bringing it to our attention as you've done here is also great.
      That said, one thing I'll add is that consistency is only one of many values we employ when writing tooltips. Technically most abilities in the game have a 0.125 second cast time, but we don't actually put that in the tooltip for the sake of readability. It may not seem like a big deal for one tooltip, but every hero in the game has dozens and dozens of tooltips, so readability ends up driving many of the decisions we make around how to present information. However this is something we're very open to feedback on as there may be places where something is off (like your Varian example), and we greatly appreciate players bringing cases like this to our attention. Thanks!
      When is the Chen rework coming?
      Chen is the 3rd least picked hero behind Lost Vikings and Probius. His winrate is awful. There's zero way at this point that the balance team can claim he's "balanced" at this point. Take a look at the info that jhow provided in the solo lane matchup. He has very few positive matchups. He needs fixed in a bad way. This is very frustrating for people who love the brewmaster. I've running with the #FixChen hashtag on twitter for a while now. Almost over a year now at this point. Please save us. At least give us a timeline at this point. ?
      Hi Zexerous, glad to hear you’re a Chen fan and hopefully we can make some changes in the future that will help address some of those concerns.
      To touch on his win rate quickly, depending on the filters I’m looking at (HL vs QM, MMR bands, games played as Chen, etc.), he is sitting around 47-49%. This does put him on the lower spectrum of hero win rates, but it’s still not that far off.
      We made some talent adjustments to Chen a few months back, but we will revisit him at some point – I think it’s clear that he’s not a tank with his current kit (having to constantly stop and channel in fights), but we haven’t fully embraced him as a Bruiser either. We will likely look towards that direction in the future. 
      I’m not able to provide a timeline at this point, only that a major Chen update won’t be happening in the next few months. While not part of your primary question, we do also want to look at Probius, Lost Vikings, and other low play rate heroes as well.
      Lastly, I'd like to ask if some skins or Heroes make it forbidding for other Heroes to come in the game. Widowmaker from Overwatch can never come due to Widowmaker Nova existing? Mercy because of Auriel? Kaldalis because of Artanis? 
      I really hope they don't come as skins cause that would be terrible and huge disrespect to those characters imho.
      Cheers and thank you for your time, God bless.
      Hi BertRaccoonGR!
      Making skins that have crossover with existing heroes does not necessarily mean we won’t add those heroes in the future. An example of this is with the Novazon skin which was clearly inspired by the Amazon from D2. Even with this skin, we knew we wanted to do a D2 Amazon and we’re super excited to bring Cassia to the Nexus ?
      Would the team at Blizzard ever consider more instant point and click crowd control (a la Brightwing and Medivh polymorph)? I don’t feel like there are enough reliable ways to shutdown mobility and am often frustrated by this in QM.
      We have a handful of these, the ones you call out and others like Varian’s Taunt. In general, we’re trying not to introduce a ton of new hard-CC that is targeted as these are not very skillful to execute well (you clicked on the enemy), and have low counterplay options (the enemy clicked on you). It’s likely over time that a few of these will trickle in on new heroes though.
      Is it possible to see other heroes in the Multiclasses category, besides the Varian, or the Blizzard Classics, in addition to the Lost Vikings?
      Hey Zequi21, good question.
      For the Multiclass category, we’re planning to remove that with our eventual role update. Varian would most likely fit into a couple of the newer categories, Tank and Bruiser. There would be a few other heroes who would also hit multiple categories such as Zarya in Support and Bruiser. Overall, the multiclass role wasn’t very clear to players and often you couldn’t play Varian the way you wanted due to your team’s composition.
      For Blizzard Classics, I would love to explore some of these characters in the future. There’s so many awesome characters we want to add, so it’s a question of when they make the most sense and when is the right time. There’s other things we of course need to consider like making sure they’re bringing fun new mechanics and playstyles as well.
      Chromie was designed as an artillery mage. The recent rework did away with that role completely changing her playstyle to a hybrid auto attack spell caster and many players were not fond of it which was reflected by the fall of her pick and win rates. Would you ever consider reverting the rework and adjusting her numbers which many Chromie mains had requested?
      Hey Demon_Ryu, thanks for the question.
      Through reworks and balance updates we’ve pushed Chromie out of the artillery mage role. Overall this is a playstyle we weren’t happy with as it didn’t feel great to play against. To touch briefly on a few points:
      -Her abilities were extremely long range (artillery design), but that meant that she was often off-screen from an enemy perspective and you didn’t have a lot of control over her damaging you. Basically, just keep in perpetual motion and hope she misses.
      -Because her abilities were fairly hard to land, the damage they dealt had to be cranked up to extreme levels to keep her win rate and effective damage output in a reasonable spot. Essentially, if she only lands 20% of her abilities, then those abilities have to be extremely impactful when the hit. This could lead to her 1-shotting enemies which again is not fun to play against.
      -She was extremely hard countered by certain enemies. I don’t believe we’ve really addressed this point, but it is something we’d like to soften. 
      -She has a ton of CC between her Time Trap and both Heroic abilities. In general, multiple CC effects can be frustrating to play against and she brought more than many characters. This combined with the above points was just not a great spot for her to be in. This CC also made the rest of her kit much easier to use and much more consistent which was a challenge to tune around and make feel fair.
      As for the future, we will likely make more Chromie changes and potentially even reimagine what her core playstyle should be, but its unlikely we will go back to that long-range artillery mage style.
      Tassadar-
      From what I understand the lifesteal component to Tassadar's shields has been a problem with his balance for a long time, initially only being a talent option then becoming baseline with a talent to increase it. Has the dev team considered eradicating lifesteal from his base kit and talent tree to balance him better for pros and non-pro play as a pure utility support? (There is also the matter of lifesteal not fitting Protoss from a SC gameplay/lore perspective.)
      Hello T-280_SCV!
      Tassadar has definitely been a unique challenge for us the balance side. I think we have learned a lot of valuable lessons from him, though, and we'll definitely be taking a look at him to see how we can improve.
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      Blizzard is currently working on a new Heroes of the Storm forums with brand-new features including new notification features, real-time updates, and a new flagging system to foster more engaging conversations. The current forums is hosted on a different platform so older posts will not be migrated over to the new forums.
      Old posts will be in a read-only mode after the transition. We don't know if the revamp only targets the Heroes of the Storm forums. The post also mentioned Overwatch before it was edited out. It would, however, make perfect sense to update the platform on all game forums in the future.
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      Hey everyone,
      Over the past years, we’ve seen your suggestions on how to level up the forums and ensure your time in our community stays positive. We know that currently the forums can be difficult to navigate, sometimes posts you want to see get buried, and reporting doesn’t always appear to lead to action. On that note, we’re excited to announce that we will be launching the new Heroes of the Storm forums starting soon. With a streamlined look and new features to match, this change will provide a better experience for the Heroes of the Storm community. Brand-new notification features will help you keep on top of your posts and real-time updates ensure that you don’t miss any of the conversation. Additionally, we have replaced the previous report function with a new flagging feature to help keep the forums a place to foster more engaging conversations. These are just a couple of the changes that will be coming soon to the Heroes of the Storm forums which we can’t wait for you to use. 
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