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Pantheon Trinket Loot Specialization Drop Hotfix

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While we haven't gotten any official hotfix notes so far this week, a change was made just before the reset to Argus' loot table, or rather how the epic Pantheon trinkets drop. As of the hotfix, all of the drops will work based on your selected loot specialization, whereas before it was only the first one.

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Hey guys! Just wanted to follow up with this since there was quite a bit of discussion and some really good feedback on how the Epic Pantheon Trinkets are awarded. Recently we've pushed forward a change before this current reset.

The Pantheon trinkets for drops after the first now obey your loot specializations. Previously it only followed your loot specialization for the first one and the second was random for your other specs.

Appreciate all of the feedback you guys have been giving us about this!

In case you still haven't gotten one, or have and are a little fuzzy on the exact stats, here's a list of all the epic trinkets and a useful infographic from a quite while ago, courtesy of Mr. Robot:

Aggramar's ConvictionAggramar's Conviction; Aman'Thul's VisionAman'Thul's Vision; Eonar's CompassionEonar's Compassion; Golganneth's VitalityGolganneth's Vitality; Khaz'goroth's CourageKhaz'goroth's Courage; Norgannon's ProwessNorgannon's Prowess

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Who at Blizzard thought that this was a good idea in the first place? I got my trinket on our first Argus kill, then I had to switch from resto to feral halfway through progress, and of course I get every single trinket except the one I actually need. I still haven't got it, and now that my guild has heroic on farm and went into a break til BFA, there is no point in trying to get it.

Blizzard, I love you, but sometimes y'all are a bunch of dumb motherf*$%ers.

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21 minutes ago, DeathsDesign said:

Trinket should have been loot based the entire time, or never.

So how are you screwed NOW?  Set your spec and forget it.

The ones you got before were "wasted," sure, but you're not screwed NOW. 

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Just now, DeathsDesign said:

If you haven't gotten it by NOW then I'm done, not in the mood to debate or argue over the stupidity of the context of "being screwed".

Stupidity is right. 

Your answer above about 'or never' being set to loot spec-requirement like EVERYTHING ELSE, literally DOES screw everyone Now, and in the future, because it would keep it random.

Of course you're still using your old trinkets - they're not replacing the ones you have.  Theyre hotfixing an issue. 

"I was screwed before, so perpetually screwing everyone else is not screwing myself in the future." 

It's not really a debate.  They fixed something to the way it should be, you're just suffering from what the fix 'fixed' in the first place. 

"I got cancer, but they developed a prevention AFTER I got it so I am getting screwed." 

 

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3 minutes ago, DeathsDesign said:

but even in that case until you got the cure you would STILL be screwed.

...I can't even grasp the logical hoops you're jumping through to consider a cure for cancer as 'being screwed' only because you didnt get it sooner. 

Being screwed implies being in a WORSE position than you were in before.  Youve got it, that's bad, but youre not in a WORSE position than you were in before.   It makes so little sense that put in any other context you'd be laughed at.

McDonalds institutes a maximum 30sec wait time for food, you're "screwed" by this because you once had to wait 4 minutes. 

Has everyone that's old enough to have used it been screwed by technology since there's a windows X now, but at one point they had to use windows 95? 

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Bottom line is:  You got bad trinkets based ona crappy loot setup.

You can either:
A) Continue crappy loot setup (not screwed apparently)

B) Get it guaranteed next drop (get screwed?)

 

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Since we're getting dictionarial...  I'm not 'comparing cancer to loot drops,'

I'm comparing the obvious GREAT nature of this change (which you acknowledge) to the obvious great nature of a cure/prevention/whatever, leading to a feeling of being 'screwed' by this change simply because it didnt happen sooner. 

That literally applies to every analogy I've provided.  Let's get dictionarial:

analogy

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1 hour ago, DeathsDesign said:

will fall on deaf ears.

Indeed.  It's rather obvious. 
 

1 hour ago, DeathsDesign said:

I truly feel sorry for you.

Indeed ^2

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1 hour ago, PatrickHenry said:

Since we're getting dictionarial...  I'm not 'comparing cancer to loot drops,'

I'm comparing the obvious GREAT nature of this change (which you acknowledge) to the obvious great nature of a cure/prevention/whatever, leading to a feeling of being 'screwed' by this change simply because it didnt happen sooner. 

That literally applies to every analogy I've provided.  Let's get dictionarial:

analogy

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    Similarity in some respects between things (and I'll emphasize this part to you) that are otherwise dissimilar.

Indeed.  It's rather obvious. 
 

Indeed ^2

I don't get it.... why you use that examples (the Mc was a really bad one) insted of something that is in the same context..

Kil'Jaden...

in @DeathsDesign  point of view, Blizz screws us when they nerf it right?

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45 minutes ago, Demenzel said:

I don't get it.... why you use that examples (the Mc was a really bad one) insted of something that is in the same context..

Kil'Jaden...

in @DeathsDesign  point of view, Blizz screws us when they nerf it right?

I used numerous examples.  if your example of kj finally shows him how ridiculous it sounds then by all means use it. I'm skeptical...

"In his point of view" - literally everyone that loots this item now is going to get the correct spec version as soon as it drops..  period.  he is complaining that it didn't retroactive fix his previous experience. 

 

He is still farming for this. But now it's guaranteed to be right. Ouch, so terrible.

 

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14 minutes ago, DeathsDesign said:

but I was more referring to EVERYONE ELSE that has been waiting for that trinket.

They literally will get it the next drop.

The only better solution is retroactive loot refunds from bliz.  I wont wager how often that's occurred. 

 

14 minutes ago, DeathsDesign said:

has Blizzard not learned that too much RNG is a bad thing from additional feedback this expansion.  If the change was avoidable, then this whole thing could have been prevented

They perhaps did, hence hotFIX, and the improved experience.  Even for you since your next one will be GUARANTEED.  You're not 'screwed' by this patch. 

Again, you're talking prevention which is what this patch does, it prevents any future loot sadness because it WAS random, and NOW is guaranteed.  AGAIN - how are you screwed!? 

"I attacked your views" - I observed OBVIOUS faults in them and have explained why they were obviously faulty ad nauseum, even tho the person being explained to has literally said he wouldn't listen (ie 'deaf ears.') 

If I were a troll would I bother explaining something so seemingly simple, or would I simply say things like "I aint listening" or "your replies will fall on deaf ears" ? 

ETA:  Or maybe a troll would debate the use of the roman numeral X instead of the number 10. ie Windows 10.  But no.  I'll reserve my comments on that and let you tell your own story "Bro"

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Just now, DeathsDesign said:

The only thing guaranteed on the next drop is the Pantheon's Blessing.

omg... You'll note where i said earlier "you still have to farm for it." 

 

3 minutes ago, DeathsDesign said:

You're talking fixing a current problem which is not prevention, it is actually fixing something. 

So the people in the future are not prevented from the same problem you're complaining about? 

 

5 minutes ago, DeathsDesign said:

if I'm wrong I'll admit that I'm wrong, but you seem to have blocked out anything that I may have said that you could possibly agree with.

Your first post literally said this patch screws you, then say in the same comment section that it's a good thing.  I agree with the second part - its the first that both 1) make no sense on its face, and 2) I cannot agree with or see in any way that you could actually be being screwed since 1) is in play. 

I havent 'blocked it out' - not once have I said anything would fall on deaf ears. 
 

22 minutes ago, DeathsDesign said:

So the attempt to use it as an example just fell really flat imo.


...because I used an X (which you knew meant ten), instead of the literal number 10, the point fell flat.  Holy cow. 
 

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OK I'm going to stop here because this has gone way too far, you are nitpicking at every little thing.  I'm deleting my previous posts because my intention was to express my opinion as is the case with any thread not get into a pissing contest about who is correct on every little thing.  It was immature of me to point out the Windows 10 thing, so I apologize.

 

@Starym sorry about this.

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