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The long wait is over! Blizzard is celebrating StarCraft's 20th anniversary with Fenix.

Fenix has been revealed as the next Hero to join the Nexus. Stay tuned for more information and a Hero spotlight!

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I though Fenix would be something more than just two pair of legs. It just looks an starcraft azmodan skin without the azmodan on top. I dont know much about starcraft universe, am i missing something? 

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14 minutes ago, DubaraiBack said:

I though Fenix would be something more than just two pair of legs. It just looks an starcraft azmodan skin without the azmodan on top. I dont know much about starcraft universe, am i missing something? 

It is Fenix after his first "resurrection", in his dragoon form.

https://www.google.com/search?q=starcraft+dragoon&source=lnms&tbm=isch

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I actually looked forward precisely to this form of his ;)

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19 minutes ago, DubaraiBack said:

I though Fenix would be something more than just two pair of legs. It just looks an starcraft azmodan skin without the azmodan on top. I dont know much about starcraft universe, am i missing something? 

No, you're not missing anything.  Dragoon look basically like this, yes.

Regarding him looking like Azmodan, well Dragoon are four legs with a center body that's relatively thin/flat, kinda looking like a platform one could ride on.  Sure, I guess an Azmodan-less Azmodan is kinda correct...?

I think some people where expecting a Talandar-like character, not Fenix.  Fenix should look like this, yes.

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YUSSSSSSSSS FINALLY MY PRAYERS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED! Now I only want Kaldalis.

From the tweet and some replies I saw, it looks as if he'll only be a dragoon, which is kinda disappointing. I remember them saying that he;ll have a rebirth mechanic ("... his defeat as Zealot and his rebirth as a Dragoon lore-wise") from an old interview, I think it was Browder himself there, but they wanted to delay cause Leoric was just released (and Browder left so direction may have changed).

EDIT: Nvm, thought some tweets were from HotS staff and they weren't. Still, hope he's not just a dragoon.

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11 minutes ago, DubaraiBack said:

I though Fenix would be something more than just two pair of legs. It just looks an starcraft azmodan skin without the azmodan on top. I dont know much about starcraft universe, am i missing something? 

People have thought similar stuff about The Butcher when he was announced. "This just looks like a Stitches Skin" 

We still have to know his abilities but I am sure he will be also unique just like Butcher compared to Stitches, or Varian compared to Arthas. Look-a-likes are not Play-a-likes :)

 

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Look at the Portraits on Battle Net Launcher. There is also a Fenix Portrait wich shows how he will Look in the end. 
I think this crawly thing is just an ability from him

 

 

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So after looking up who Fenix is I see he is in the SC2 Co-op missions. And that he has 3 forms. So I'm guessing his trait in HOTS will be to switch between all 3 forms changing his abilities in each like in the Co-op verison. Or his Ult will be to switch to one or the other depending which one you pick so he can switch between two once you hit 10. Kind of like a mix between Abathur skills wise and Varian Ult wise. So he will probably be the second Multi-class hero in the game. And his role can change depending on what Ult/form you take. That's my guess :)

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23 minutes ago, CyberDVonaven said:

So after looking up who Fenix is I see he is in the SC2 Co-op missions. And that he has 3 forms. So I'm guessing his trait in HOTS will be to switch between all 3 forms changing his abilities in each like in the Co-op verison. Or his Ult will be to switch to one or the other depending which one you pick so he can switch between two once you hit 10. Kind of like a mix between Abathur skills wise and Varian Ult wise. So he will probably be the second Multi-class hero in the game. And his role can change depending on what Ult/form you take. That's my guess :)

I think there will be a lot of this but the short of it is, I don't think that's the case.  Story spoilers below:

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The character you looked up is Talandar, not Fenix (or not really...  It's mildly complicated).  Fenix, the true Fenix anyway, did not have three forms, he was just a Zealot who died and was put in a life support shell, aka a Dragoon (the Dragoon is what we're getting).  Who later died again, this time for good.

Talandar was created using a brain scan of Fenix's and for a while he thought he was Fenix, but eventually came to the conclusion that he was his own "person."  This is kinda a story spoiler and since Blizzard doesn't want to spoil it, they leave his name as Fenix even when he isn't...  Kinda.  Sorta.

In any case, I expect simply Dragoon like abilities (though what they are I couldn't say, ranged basic attack, shielding, maybe ranged blast...  I don't know, Dragoon where fairly basic units) rather than forms.  We'll see though, maybe I'm wrong.  The very lacking nature of a basic Dragoon does lend itself to going crazy with extra features but...  *shrug*  Speculation is hard.

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1 hour ago, BoiderBois said:

Look at the Portraits on Battle Net Launcher. There is also a Fenix Portrait wich shows how he will Look in the end. 
I think this crawly thing is just an ability from him

 

 

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Deckard Cain's portrait is RIGHT next to his. Coincidence? I THINK NOT.

48 minutes ago, CyberDVonaven said:

So after looking up who Fenix is I see he is in the SC2 Co-op missions. And that he has 3 forms. So I'm guessing his trait in HOTS will be to switch between all 3 forms changing his abilities in each like in the Co-op verison. Or his Ult will be to switch to one or the other depending which one you pick so he can switch between two once you hit 10. Kind of like a mix between Abathur skills wise and Varian Ult wise. So he will probably be the second Multi-class hero in the game. And his role can change depending on what Ult/form you take. That's my guess :)

Pretty much like I said in the Hero teaser thread, I wonder if they will make him a Multiclass, as in the SC2 Co-Op missions he can alternate between 3 forms: Praetor (could be Warrior), Solarite Dragoon (definitely Assassin) and Cybros Arbiter (either Support or Specialist).

Would be nice if it was the case, because we haven't see a new Multiclass since Varian.

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Fenix/Talandar is one of the best opportunities the developers will ever have for a multi class design. If they don't go for it with his lore and co-op mission design, then they should remove the multi class role. I love Varian and want more multi class heroes but it is wasted space right now.

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They guy with 3 forms in SC 2 coop is a Talandar (copied version of Fenix's brain in Purifier program but he is a 100% robot. He changes the name in story when he accepts what he is). Correct Fenix died as a Dragoon (which held parts of his body) killed by Kerrigan. I'm glad they make correct Fenix here and he can't change forms. There is still open window for skins or separate hero.

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2 hours ago, BoiderBois said:

Look at the Portraits on Battle Net Launcher. There is also a Fenix Portrait wich shows how he will Look in the end. 
I think this crawly thing is just an ability from him

 

 

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That "crawly" thing is his dragoon form and how he looked in the original Starcraft.

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I still can not believe in all the years that HOTS has been out they still have not released a single WoW Demon Character. So many choices and so much to work with and its all been ignored. I thought for sure we would get one with Legion but guess not.

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If it's just a dragoon it'd be pretty lame. What's the point of Fenix if not a multi-class? The first two Fenixes were nothing special. Only when he can switch between armours does he become unique. A resurrection between Zealot and Dragoon might work, but then you're not choosing the role for the job you want. It would be another wasted opportunity to give Varian some company.

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1 hour ago, Morcalivan said:

The first two Fenixes were nothing special.

Eh, he was easily one of the most popular Protoss characters in the first Star Craft game and is one of the few characters I can think of who had a death that mattered to people, not once but twice!  I'd say he more than earns a spot on the HotS list simply from name recognition and fan appreciation.

As for his character not being special mechanically or that this Fenix need to be based off the "third" Fenix:  1) Talandar is a separate character and can have his own hero made for HotS later.  2) Jimmy was never special in game, nor is he all that complex in HotS, yet he made it exclusively due to his role in the SC storyline.

That said, they managed to make a Firebat hero interesting to play, who is to say they can't do the same for a Dragoon?

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I think the problem stems from a hell of a lot of people only playing SC2, that and the fact that Talandar is still called Fenix in things like Co-Op commander. While I'm certain I'll enjoy badass dragoon Fenix I won't lie and say I'm not disappointed it isn't the multi-suited "Fenix" of SC2.

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2 hours ago, Brutalis said:

I think the problem stems from a hell of a lot of people only playing SC2, that and the fact that Talandar is still called Fenix in things like Co-Op commander. While I'm certain I'll enjoy badass dragoon Fenix I won't lie and say I'm not disappointed it isn't the multi-suited "Fenix" of SC2.

Who says it is not the multi suit version. A lot we still dont know about him yet.

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I thought Fenix would be presented in his Talandar form, maaaybe they'll release him at least as a cool skin. I didn't play SC1 yet though, maybe that's why I didn't expect him to be in Dragoon suit.

Anyway! I agree it would be great to have him as a new Multiclass hero :) the occasion is perfect as well hehe

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10 hours ago, TSRD said:

Eh, he was easily one of the most popular Protoss characters in the first Star Craft game and is one of the few characters I can think of who had a death that mattered to people, not once but twice!  I'd say he more than earns a spot on the HotS list simply from name recognition and fan appreciation.

As for his character not being special mechanically or that this Fenix need to be based off the "third" Fenix:  1) Talandar is a separate character and can have his own hero made for HotS later.  2) Jimmy was never special in game, nor is he all that complex in HotS, yet he made it exclusively due to his role in the SC storyline.

That said, they managed to make a Firebat hero interesting to play, who is to say they can't do the same for a Dragoon?

Fenix was popular because there wasn't much else. It was a new game. He's no different than the rest of the Zealots or Dragoons, just used to showcase Dragoon introduction. A few better stats. Tassadar began learning both sides of the Force, placing him beyond default units, which made him stand out as a hero character instead of a named unit. Zertaul led his people and taught Tassadar. So they make sense as they are.

Raynor was unique because of his ship, which is in the game. Specifically his SC2 self. And yeah, the Firebat just being a Firebat was damn annoying, still is. Probius at least has real character that sets it apart from his stiff brothers.

I would still call the third Fenix, Fenix. Fenix's whole identity is basically about fighting on after death. Hence the name Fenix. Although I kinda wonder if he shouldn't be renamed Redshirt for how often he dies?

They already have a mech ultimate with Tychus though, so even having a Dragoon that can replace with a new mech would be kind of a let down. For me to enjoy Fenix, it needs to be option three, with all three armours available to adapt as a multi-class. Just too much of a waste opportunity otherwise. It would also signal an end to future multi-classes if they skipped it this time.

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23 minutes ago, Morcalivan said:

Although I kinda wonder if he shouldn't be renamed Redshirt for how often he dies?

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They already have a mech ultimate with Tychus though, so even having a Dragoon that can replace with a new mech would be kind of a let down. For me to enjoy Fenix, it needs to be option three, with all three armours available to adapt as a multi-class. Just too much of a waste opportunity otherwise. It would also signal an end to future multi-classes if they skipped it this time.

Yes, I agree, he HAS to be a Multiclass. Everything fits; I don't care if Talandar isn't Fenix. The Fenix in HotS doesn't need to be a 100% accurate lore-wise character; it is an idea enveloped around said character, an universal representation of him. Making him a Multiclass that can switch between forms will be perfect.

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54 minutes ago, Morcalivan said:

Although I kinda wonder if he shouldn't be renamed Redshirt for how often he dies?

That's pretty harsh.  Fenix's second death was one of the defining moments of the finale of the first game.  Being betrayed by Kerrigan and leaving her in a very dark place as a character.  Heck even Jimmy wanted to (and tried to!) kill her for it (which, given Jimmy's feelings for Sarah, is saying something).  Not exactly a Redshirt moment (even if some of the impact was lost when SC2 storyline had a very noticeable shift in tone when it picked back up).

As for his value as a character, if you want to puff up Tassadar and Zeratul's uniqueness, Fenix was notable as being a leader of the Protoss as well and was leader of the group that worked most closely with the humans (as a close friend of Jim's).  Of all of the Protoss none of them were closer to their human allies than Fenix.  Much of this happened while he was in his Dragoon form as well, thus why that's his "iconic" form.

Well that and the fact that the "third" Fenix is a separate character in a very real sense.  Talandar did not have Fenix's memories from the games.  He was not Jim's friend.  He was not the one who Kerrigan betrayed.  He's a classic example of the whole, copied memories chestnut, where the two beings started at the same point (in a way anyhow) and diverged from each other as they picked up differing life experiences that grew them into different people.

54 minutes ago, Morcalivan said:

For me to enjoy Fenix, it needs to be option three, with all three armours available to adapt as a multi-class. Just too much of a waste opportunity otherwise. It would also signal an end to future multi-classes if they skipped it this time.

Not sure why it would signal the end of anything (they certainly can still make a Talandar hero) but we'll need to see.  It's all speculation at this point.  *Shrug*

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      We want to also point out that while the first point may not seem like much, it is a fairly big deal, and was the initial primary motivator for changing Tower aggro. It’s important when playing games that they “feel” right, and when they don’t it can be a big deterrent to player enjoyment. It’s why we spend a lot of time and effort on high quality visual effects, sound effects, models, animations, and creating counter-play through proper design. It’s all related, and we believe that games become great works of art when things feel like they’re all working together in a cohesive and awesome way.
      Where We Are
      Let’s talk about how we feel about where things currently stand. We had recently made the decision to pull out all of the Tower aggro changes, and our recent playtests have had them removed in preparation for the next Anomaly. The team didn’t feel that it was a clear enough win due to some design concerns which we will discuss later, and due to how controversial the changes have been overall. We’re committed to only keeping Anomalies that we truly believe are better for the game as a whole, and since we were also incredibly torn on this issue, we had decided to remove it.
      Then something interesting happened. Once we had removed the system, we started getting feedback from across the team that this was the wrong decision, and that the Tower aggro changes, although they had some issues, made the game, overall, feel much better. We ourselves also noticed that the games just felt better with the system on, which caused us to go back and ask ourselves: “are we making the right decision by taking this away?”
      After lots of debate, we’re still torn on the how we want to proceed. We need to make a call soon, so we’re asking for some feedback from you to help us decide. In the next and final section of this post, we’re going to outline what we like about the current system, what we don’t like, and some proposed changes to improve the system if we decide to keep it.
      What We Like
      We believe we succeeded in Towers feeling smarter as a defending player. They “feel” like they’re doing what they should be
      We believe we’ve created cool, high-tension moments when enemy Heroes dive under a Tower. We also like how attackers have some ability to manipulate who gets the Tower aggro to make intelligent, coordinated plays. We believe this can be even better with improvements in the future
      The combination on our end of being able to manipulate Tower damage and the stacking Armor debuff gives us a lot of room to manipulate exactly how we want these interactions to feel going forward, and gives us good tuning knobs to decide how much defensive power is from the Tower itself or from the nearby enemy Heroes who are there to defend it
      Issues With The Current System
      We believe Towers are currently too punishing to consistently create the cool, high-tension moments we described above. They currently hit too hard to make those moments happen as often or as long as we’d like them to
      Many players don’t like how much they have to change their behavior when near enemy Towers, particularly the ones near the Gates, mainly due to splash damage inadvertently causing Towers to attack them
      A lot of the map is now more dangerous than before, making it less possible to fight enemy Heroes, particularly in the early game. This exacerbates issues we already have with our desire to make the laning phase of the game more interesting
      When too powerful (which we believe it currently is), it disincentivizes players from pushing with their map objectives, which can make those moments feel less awesome
      Some players just like the way things have been for years, and don’t want such a large change to a fundamental aspect of the game. While not a commanding reason to never make changes, it is something we always try to keep in mind, and why we think the bar needs to be high in order to keep these kinds of fundamental changes to game systems
      Now that we’ve covered where we’re at, here are some potential ideas that we have been debating to help make things better if we decide to keep the changes. We could end up doing none of these or all of them, and we’re open to other ideas from you!
      Change all structures to prioritize Map Objectives before anything else Pros
      It would fix players not wanting to push with Map Objectives Cons
      It adds another rule that can be unintuitive for the defending players since they will not always be defended by their Towers, only most of the time, which can be confusing and goes against the primary goal of Towers “feeling” smart in how they work
      Towers don’t defend their teammates in the moments of the game when they need them most
      Change Tower aggro so that the front Towers prioritize Minions, but the Forts, Keeps, and Kings Core prioritize Heroes who attack other Heroes Pros
      The early game would better reward aggression and pushing, and less of the map would be as dangerous as it currently is with the new system Players could attack gates without feeling like their splash damage could get them into trouble Cons
      It adds complexity to the game with two different Aggro rules depending on the Structure
      Lower the damage that Structures do to Heroes Pros
      Towers won’t be as directly threatening themselves, which mitigates the issue of them being too punishing in the early game Players will have more time to be aggressive with Tower diving and less immediately punished when Towers initially start to shoot them It puts the onus of properly defending towns more on the defending team, which incentivizes interaction between heroes Cons
      It makes Towers weaker, which could result in Tower diving being too prevalent.
      These are our thoughts on the current Anomaly. Thanks again for taking the time to read through our ideas. We’re now looking for feedback on how you feel about the current system, whether or not you would like to go back to the old system and why, or other ideas on how to improve the current one. We want to make a choice in the near future about what to do, so please be a Hero and give us your feedback – it will greatly help us in our tireless pursuit of constantly improving this game that we all love playing together.
    • By Stan
      While there are no plans to bring back Haunted Mines at this time, reddit user RockNerd33 did a drum cover of the original Haunted Mines soundrack for everyone to enjoy.
      For illustration, here's the original Haunted Mines Soundtrack if you haven't heard it yet.
      (Source)
    • By Oxygen
      Our twenty-ninth Heroes of the Storm Meta Tier list for the month of December is here!
      The latest meta tier list for December 2019 is here!
      Welcome to another Icy Veins's Meta Tier List for the December 3 patch. The goal of this list is to try and detail game's current metagame state. The prime goal of such lists is to inform players regarding popular and trending team composition drafting strategies (i.e. the drafting metagame).
      Using the list
       
      Current ranked mode map rotation
       
      Current anomaly
      Experience Globes. For more information about this Anomaly, simply refer to our Anomaly guide.
       
      Meta picks
      Tank Bruiser Fighter Stalker Marksman Mage Support Healer — Deathwing (new) (ban) — — — — — —  
      High-tier generalists
      Tank Bruiser Fighter Stalker Marksman Mage Support Healer E.T.C. (ban) — Alarak (ban) Zeratul — Jaina Abathur (ban) Ana↓ (ban) Diablo (ban)   Qhira      Kael'thas (ban)   Anduin (ban) Garrosh (ban)         Sylvanas   Uther↑ (ban) Johanna (ban)                
      Mid-tier generalists
      Tank Bruiser Fighter Stalker Marksman Mage Support Healer Anub'arak↓ Artanis Kerrigan Tracer Cassia Azmodan  Medivh Alexstrasza Arthas Chen↓ Maiev   Falstad Chromie Zarya Auriel Blaze Dehaka Malthael   Fenix Gul'dan   Brightwing↓ Mal'Ganis Imperius↓ Ragnaros   Greymane Junkrat    Deckard↓ Muradin Sonya Thrall   Hanzo Kel'Thuzad   Kharazim Stitches Yrel Varian   Lunara Li-Ming   Li Li Varian   Varian   Raynor Mephisto   Lt. Morales         Tychus Nazeebo   Lúcio         Valla Orphea   Malfurion         Zul'jin Zagara   Rehgar                 Stukov               Tyrande               Whitemane↑  
      Low-tier generalists
      Tank Bruiser Fighter Stalker Marksman Mage Support Healer — D.Va Gazlowe Genji↓ Sgt.Hammer↓ Probius — —     Murky Valeera             The Butcher            
      Situational picks (map, team composition, or counterpick)
      Tank Bruiser Fighter Stalker Marksman Mage Support Healer Cho'gall Leoric Illidan Nova — Cho'gall Tassadar — Tyrael Rexxar Xul Samuro     The Lost Vikings    
      Meta heroes define the metagame. They are very often banned or picked right away, as they generally dictate the pace of most drafts and matches.
      Generalists form the core of your team and are generally picked after Meta picks have been distributed. They tend to work on most maps, and as part of and against most team compositions. Since this group includes most heroes, I elected to split it into three tiers. High-tier rankings are a result of performance (i.e. win rates) and popularity (i.e. pick and ban rates). This means that heroes with high win rates can be set in low tier; the opposite may also be true.
      Situational picks shine on specific maps or as part of specific team compositions.
       
    • By Stan
      Blizzard released two new skins for Cassia and Tracer yesterday, but that did not stop community members from submitting their own skin concepts that are very well worth checking out! Here's Messenger Kharazim and Hades Ragnaros.

      Messenger Kharazim by Yasemin Baran (Source)

      Hades Ragnaros by Evangelos Callow (Source)
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