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The latest animated short has been fairly polarising, with many interesting and in-depth discussions about it's content. However, there were also many, many more... creative expressions of people's opinions on the cinematic.

Let's get started with a good old conspiracy theory:

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Next up it's a fairly standard meme format, with some commentary on Sylvanas' characterization:

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And on to the dilemma this expansion may cause/is already causing:

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Then it's mystery time as the gang tries to find out what's up with Sylvanas:

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Then one simply called "Saltvanas":

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The end of hope:

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We then have a True Detective-like pondering of the cyclic nature of life and time:

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Then a leaked screenshot of patch 8.4:

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Also it seems like the Horde's last, best hope can't quite make it:

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And finally, the only one who seems to have actually figured out the true plot and subtet of Battle for Azeroth:

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Yet another case of the hate bandwagon going around like with all blizzard games people are just hating for the sake of hating because the cool kids are doing it

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2 hours ago, Kalazor13 said:

Yet another case of the hate bandwagon going around like with all blizzard games people are just hating for the sake of hating because the cool kids are doing it

There is a big difference between hating "because the cool kids are doing it" and seeing that this is lazy writing putting Sylvanas in a corner.

After clearly starting the war, burning a world tree, murdering her own people, making deals with Helya, and a few other items that have been spoiled about the story through testing, she is pretty much beyond redemption other than "because we say so".

I don't want to see her turned into Garrosh 2.0, or Arthas 2.0, or Illidan (BC version) 2.0... where she is clearly a villan because she believes she is doing what is right and just doing it in methods that are unforgivable. It's lazy writing. Pretty much the only "villain" that hasn't had this story path she's on now is Deathwing, and that's because he's pretty much always been evil.

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I mean, they're not wrong. Anyone who thought that Blizz would give you a good, complex story is just deluding themselves. Ever since WotLK when Varian and Garrosh were at odds, WoW has been nothing but a high fantasy spinoff of the WWE with the Horde as the villains.

All the youtubers expecting that someone other than Sylvanas burned down the tree was expecting way too much from Blizz writers who only ever go for the 'movie preview' style of story telling where you can basically watch the movie just by watching its previews.

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4 hours ago, Kalazor13 said:

Yet another case of the hate bandwagon going around like with all blizzard games people are just hating for the sake of hating because the cool kids are doing it

not really, it's derivative and stale writing but i think they plan to resurrect Sylvanas from the forsaken back to blood elf.

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This doesn't conflict with anything anyone's saying, but not many people are talking about the confrontation between Sylvanas and Malfurion as a proxy for a confrontation between Sylvanas and life/nature magic itself - rather than an attack on the Alliance.

I think Blizzard's going to the core of their universe, which is iconified in the image of the schools of magic from the first page of the Chronicles book.  (Well, maybe not the exact first page, but close to it.)

  • Death is opposed to life (nature).
  • Fel is opposed to Arcane.
  • Void (shadow) is opposed to Light.

Sylvanas, as a representative of death, fights Malfurion, who's a representative of the Wild Gods and Nature.  Just like the world trees. Killing Malfurion was an attempt to act out the opposition between the two magics, but I think she realized it was a tiny gesture compared to what she could do - to destroy one of the trees.  Honestly, I'm wondering if the attack against life & nature magic was the goal, and the war was the pretext.

That doesn't give her an explanation for her actions that goes beyond what everyone's saying (corruption, ie Garrosh, is just another word for being influenced by a negative force, even if it's an attempt to rebalance something), but it does give the destruction of Teldrassil a larger meaning than just "I really want to hurt Delaryn's feelings so bad right now."

 

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13 hours ago, Starym said:

And finally, the only one who seems to have actually figured out the true plot and subtet of Battle for Azeroth:

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"The only one"? What? No way. I said they were going to bang by the end of the expansion in this other thread.

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Bit of a spoiler here, but.... Considering the story of one of the Horde Zones in BfA, I'm hoping Sylvannas' story gets even darker than this. I hope she manages to kill one if her sisters, (Probably Vereesa as Alleria seems too powerful atm, both because of her void shenanagins and plot armor) and raises her as a Banshee. I mean, I don't know where everybody else has been for the last 14 years, but the Forsaken, for the most part, have ALWAYS been a sinister and dark people. It's about time they really start showing this.\

Besides, it's about time we Horde get recognition that we're the bad guys. We get great lines, the coolest uniforms, and the best Disney songs.

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10 minutes ago, krapmyself said:

Besides, it's about time we Horde get recognition that we're the bad guys. We get great lines, the coolest uniforms, and the best Disney songs.

Hold it right there! We have just seen with Jaina's Warbringer that anyone can get a cool Dinsey song, a crazed look and a decent villain vibe. Sylvannas is a dark character, but it feels the writers are trying to drive Jaina up to her alley. Eventually.

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29 minutes ago, lChronosl said:

Hold it right there! We have just seen with Jaina's Warbringer that anyone can get a cool Dinsey song, a crazed look and a decent villain vibe. Sylvannas is a dark character, but it feels the writers are trying to drive Jaina up to her alley. Eventually.

I don't think Jaina will end up like that. She has the right to be acting all moody, given that a lot of bad things happened to her while she was trying to keep peace between the factions. She just wants revenge, and justice.

Now Sylvanas is manipulating those around her for those same reasons, but she also has her own personal agenda in order to gain more power. She almost killed her own sisters in the "Windrunner Sisters" online comic, for gods sake.

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I was reading through a Reddit thread and I came to a realization that ultimately shamed me a little bit. I am not a huge role player, though I do like a quality immersive game experience, but some of the commentary on the Reddit thread I was perusing really made me pause.

My main is a Tauren Druid and no matter which way I look at it, there is just no way that my character could get behind burning Teldrassil, let alone killing Malfurion Stormrage. Unless I am simply not privy to information that would somehow make me ok with it (likely, I suppose), it is simply antithetical to all of my character's values.

Putting myself in my Tauren's shoes (err, hooves?) made me realize that these actions by Sylvanas really are going to create a bit of a fractious environment within the Horde.

Safe to say that I am thoroughly confused at Blizzard's current approach...

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11 hours ago, Laragon said:

I don't want to see her turned into Garrosh 2.0, or Arthas 2.0, or Illidan (BC version) 2.0... where she is clearly a villan because she believes she is doing what is right and just doing it in methods that are unforgivable. It's lazy writing. Pretty much the only "villain" that hasn't had this story path she's on now is Deathwing, and that's because he's pretty much always been evil.

You mean Neltharion the Earth-Warder? 😛 (It's a good thing you said "pretty much", because he's only "always been evil" if you look at the timeline from, for example, a mortal's point of view.)

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13 hours ago, Dravixus said:

made me realize that these actions by Sylvanas really are going to create a bit of a fractious environment within the Horde.

Maybe it is exactly what Blizzard wants. Conflict. Innocents WILL die in war. And sometimes you have to employ questionable actions to gain the upper hand. This game is called World of WARcraft after all.

I like how Blizzard is handling this, despite everyone's complaints. These tidy bits of tension that cause people to rage in the forums shows that it is effective. People care about these characters. The fact that you, as a Horde, sees that from the perspective of your Tauren character and genuinelly feels uneasy is the proof that their story telling is good.

I don't think it's lazy writing. Sylvanas is not even close to a Garrosh 2.0... To be fair I think she is becoming something much more dangerous.

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8 hours ago, Valhalen said:

Sorry for the double post, but this is what really happened.

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Oh boy, my sides hurt from laughing too much. Source plz!

@Edit: apparently it's from @taqillya on Twitter (sauce).

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On 8/1/2018 at 8:07 PM, Valhalen said:

"The only one"? What? No way. I said they were going to bang by the end of the expansion in this other thread.

Yeah. I've read your comment in that thread aswell. And all the images... this is stuff for some weird shit... I'm there are "pieces of art" covering that kind of matter alreay. No, I did no search and I won't. Finding something would be too disturbing... Well at least we'd have one really true "Child of Light and Shadow" then now wouldn't we... I mean, that position is still open since Illidan so graciously refused - well maybe is Arator, but who knows. Although the vid is damn well done.

The sadest yet problably true one is the one with the circle diagram... I fear for 8.3...

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That last one is freaking hilarious! I said that in Towellie's channel right after it come out, with that ominous looks she gives him towards the end, and everyone freaked.

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