Sign in to follow this  

3 posts in this topic

I usually sim my characters to get the best possible results. I enjoy the process quite a lot and since I reached 120, I wanted to find out the best build of the spec. (Note, I didn't want to find out what to play, but rather how my own build fares in comarison.) I rarely mind a 1-2% difference. If it goes above 2%, I really mind a change. What this thread is about is mainly to bring something in the attention of those who help making the class guides, especially the talent choices. To my surprise, I was awed to find out that certain talents outperform previous "Standard" choices in the endgame, probably due to the stat squish.

The Frost go-to build (top dps) would probably be along the lines of <Icy Talons / Cold Heart - Runic Attenuation - Frozen Pulse - Gathering Storm - Breath of Sindragosa>. What I found out primarily was that after the removal of legendaries, Cold Heart severely underperforms at most given situations resulting in a major dps drop due to the low mastery. Gathering Storm also suffers from the same problem and most of the times, Frostwyrm's Fury is better overall. The biggest surprise of them all, however, was that Inexorable Assault overperforms quite a lot, and is the first reason why I made the topic. I then started simming with the above in mind and I came across a build that some would not consider on par with top dog builds around the meta, which is the use of Horn of Winter which overperforms both its other two options when using the Breath build. Talent Sim can be seen here. Another intresting thing, which I loved, was that the 2nd best build uses Obliteration as a lvl 100 talent and no other build surpassed it (Other than the first one, obviously). So, I encourage frost players out there to give their other, less common talents a try. To the class guide author(s), I believe that the two "underdog" talents will earn their spot in the class guides.

Thank you for your time reading this.



 

Edited by Nireas

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Hi Nireas

Just a small advice: As you're giving feedback to a guide it would be better to give at the guide-comment-section:

About the thing what you wrote, I can't give you any feedback because I really don't know frost DK at all 😄 . In general: i think as a DPS, you should always sim your char if you want to get the best result out of it. It's also heavy depended on what kind of boss (mechanics) you're fighting. Usually the guides on icy-veins give you a good overview what in which situations is a good choice. So you generally get can get good results.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
4 hours ago, Allseye said:

In general: i think as a DPS, you should always sim your char if you want to get the best result out of it.

I completely agree. I didn't know about the comment section on the guides though. I just made the new account here. Thanks for taking the time to reply.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
Sign in to follow this  

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

  • Similar Content

    • By Stan
      Tides of Vengeance is available for playtesting and our hub contains all the latest information!
      Welcome to our Tides of Vengeance hub. Here, you'll find all the latest information about Battle for Azeroth's first content patch 8.1. We will keep the hub updated throughout PTR testing with the latest coverage.
      Introduction
      Patch 8.1 called Tides of Vengeance was pushed to PTR on September 21. The patch will hit live servers on December 11.
      Latest Coverage
      This section contains contains the most recent news coverage.
      Patch 8.1 Build #28440
      G.M.O.D. Mount Preview Patch 8.1 Build #28366
      Patch 8.1 Build 28366 Highlights Mythic Jaina Mount Preview XP Per Level Nerfs & Leveling Improvements Patch 8.1 Build #28294
      Patch 8.1 Build 28294 Highlights Patch 8.1 Build 28294: Mechanical Parrot Mount Patch 8.1 Build #28202
      Patch 8.1 Build 28202: Tyrande's Ascension Scenario (Alliance PoV) Patch 8.1 Build 28202: New Horde War Campaign Overview Patch 8.1 Build 28202: Warfront Vendors & Commendations Patch 8.1 Build 28202: Frog Mounts Purchasable for 333,333 Gold Each Battle of Dazar'alor Sets Preview Patch 8.1 Build 28202: New Azerite Traits Patch 8.1 Build 28202: New Dubloon Trader (Island Expeditions Vendor) Hunters Can Tame Blood Beasts in Patch 8.1 Glory of the Dazar'alor Raider Reward Mythic+ Season 2 Affix: Reaping Azerite Armor Acqusition in Patch 8.1: New Mythic+ Currency The Fate of Saurfang Story: Alternative Ending Added in Build 28202 Battle of Dazar'alor: Unique Raid Flashback Mechanic Patch 8.1 Build #28151
      Patch 8.1 Build 28151: Overview Patch 8.1 Build 28151: Blood Elf Heritage Armor Patch 8.1 Build 28151: Marksmanship Hunter Changes Patch 8.1 Build 28151: Restoration Shaman Changes Patch 8.1 Build 28151: Marsh Hopper Mounts Upcoming Shadow Priest Changes The Story of Varok Saurfang in Patch 8.1 Orc Running Animation Updated Patch 8.1 Build #28048
      Patch 8.1 Build 28048 Overview Patch 8.1 Build #27985
      Patch 8.1 Build 27985 Overview Patch 8.1 Build 27985: New Creature Models Patch 8.1 Build 27985: New Paladin Animations Patch 8.1 Build 27985: Solo Queue for Legion Raids Enabled Patch 8.1 Build 27985: Dwarf Heritage Armor Preview Patch 8.1 Build 27985: Siege of Zuldazar Weapons Patch 8.1 Build #27826
      Patch 8.1 Build 27826 Overview (Datamined Broadcast Text, Zones, Strings, Scenarios) *Spoilers* Patch 8.1 Build 27286: Vol'jin's Story Continues (Datamined Broadcast Text Analysis) *Spoilers* Patch 8.1 Build 27826: New Creature Models Patch 8.1 Build 27286: New Night Elf Warrior Customization Options Patch 8.1 Build 27286: New Druid Forms (Highmountain Tauren/Kul Tiran Moonkin Forms, Zandalari Aquatic Form) Patch 8.1 Build 27286: Kul Tiran Horse Racial Mount Patch 8.1 Build 27286: Nightsaber Mounts Patch 8.1 Build 27286: The Hivemind Mount Returns Patch 8.1 Build 27286: Vicious PvP Mounts Patch 8.1 Content
      Blizzard recently announced improvements to Azerite Armor acquisition from Mythic+. You can find more details here. Heritage Armor will be added for non-Allied Races; Blood Elves & Dwarves are first on the list. There's no reputation grind behind this. If you're at max level and Exalted with Ironforge/Blood Elves, you can start the quest and complete a scenario to get your Heritage Armor. Reputation Paragon for BfA factions is coming. Champions of Azeroth reputation will be made account-wide. Incursions are a new feature similar to Legion assaults. Darkshore Warfront (Night Elves vs Forsaken theme) The outdoor zone will be updated just like Arathi Highlands with new quests, rares, etc. War Campaign continues with the Alliance leading a direct strike at the Zandalari Fleet. We can expect two new raids in 8.1: Siege of Zuldazar is a nine-boss raid where the foe is the opposing faction. Alliance players will join Jaina and her forces to fight their way up to the pyramid to confront Rastakhan. Horde players will try to defend the pyramid, fighting Jaina in the High Seas as the final boss. Crucible of Storms is a two-boss raid located under Shrine of the Storm that hints at Queen Azshara. It's Battle for Azeroth's "Trial of Valor" raid. Allied Races: Kul Tirans and Zandalari Trolls will become available for gameplay after the Siege of Zuldazar raid. You can find more details about how to unlock them here. Two New Islands: Jorundall (Vrykul-themed Island) & Havenswood (Gilnean-themed Island) Gnomeregan Pet Battle Dungeon Profession Changes New Scenarios Tyrande's Ascension - players will unlok new Night Elf Warrior customization options with dark eyes. Cooking Scenario with Nomi Unknown Tol Dagor Scenario Heritage Armor Scenarios Vol'jin's Story Continues - The Shadow Hunter is looking for answers in 8.1 as he tries to figure out why he appointed Sylvanas for Warchief. Allied Races
      You will be able to unlock Legion Allied Races faster in Patch 8.1.
      Class Changes
      Multiple Classes are subject to changes in Patch 8.1. These include Elemental Shamans, Shadow Priests, and Protection Warriors. So far, Blizzard outlined plans for Elemental Shamans. They haven't decided what to do with Protection Warriors just yet.
      Elemental Shaman Changes Model Updates
      Draenei totems received new models with a higher polygon count in 8.1.
      Draenei Shaman Totems Model Update Interviews/Livestreams
      Game Director Ion Hazzikostas unveiled Patch 8.1 on September 18.
      Tides of Vengeance Livestream with Game Director Ion Hazzikostas Tides of Vengeance Live Developer Q&A with Game Director Ion Hazzikostas Tides of Vengeance is Battle for Azeroth's first major content patch and we created a hub to keep track of everything.
    • By Stan
      G.M.O.D. (Gallywix's Mech of Death) is a new mount that has a small chance to drop from High Tinker Mekkatorque in Battle of Dazar'alor as personal loot, similar to Antorus' Antoran Charhound from Hounds of Sargeras or Sassz'ine's Abyss Worm back in Tomb of Sargeras.
      Check out our Tides of Vengeance hub for the latest Patch 8.1 news!
      G.M.O.D.
      Garishly sporting extreme amounts of goblin flair, Gallywix commissioned his Mech of Death to one up Mekkatorque in combat and more importantly in style.

      Animations (Run / Fly)

      Do you like this mount? Let us know your thoughts in the comments!
    • By Stan
      Pilgrim's Bounty returns to Azeroth for one week. You can earn a pet and a title from the Pilgrim meta achievement, but it does not count toward What a Long, Strange Trip It's Been.
      Check out our Pilgrim's Bounty guide for more details!
      Blizzard (Source)
      Even as war rages between the Horde and the Alliance, there’s still an abundance of good fortune to celebrate during Pilgrim’s Bounty.
      Pilgrim’s Bounty is a time to reflect upon one’s good fortune and share with all around you.
      When: November 19–26
      Where: All capital cities and most Horde and Alliance towns
      You can brush up on your cooking skills and indulge in the delectable delicacies found on the on the communal dining tables located outside capital cities. Sharing is Caring , so make sure to pass food to those who have joined the feast at your table. Just be ready in case a "FOOD FIGHT!" breaks out.
      If you prefer a little wild game, then set out on a hunt for wild turkey to earn The Turkinator achievement—or transform your friends into tantalizing turkey targets if the fury of wild turkeys proves too daunting to face.
      Don’t forget to dress up in your pilgrim’s best and journey into Auchindoun in Terokkar Forest to visit Talon King Ikiss (available to characters level 62 and up) and earn the achievement Terokkar Turkey Time .
    • By Stan
      The latest round of hotfixes includes changes to the Grievous and Explosive affixes and dungeon tuning. Blizzard also increased the Tol Dagor Mythic Keystone timer to 36 minutes (was 33 minutes) and the Underrot timer to 33 minutes (was 30 minutes).
      Blizzard (Source)
      14th Anniversary Event
      The respawn time for all event world bosses has been lowered. Dungeons and Raids
      In Mythic Keystone dungeons, the Grievous affix now stacks every other tick (was every tick), and now deals 2% of the player’s total HP per stack (was 1.5%). In Mythic Keystone dungeons, the health of Explosives has been reduced by 50%, and Explosives should no longer spawn from a crowd-controlled enemy. Kings’ Rest King A'akul's Hidden Blade Poison DoT reduced by 50%. King Timalji's Bladestorm snare increased to 60% (was 25%), and Bladestorm recast time increased to 20-25 seconds (was 10-20 seconds). Queen Wasi's Seduction duration reduced to 8 seconds (was 30 seconds). Shadow of Zul's Absorbed in Darkness periodic damage reduced by 50%, and Shadow Barrage direct damage reduced by 25%. Shadow-Borne Champion's Ancestral Fury damage reduced by 50%. The Golden Serpent's Animated Gold health reduced by 50%. Shrine of the Storm Deepsea Ritualist's Unending Darkness damage taken bonus has been reduced to 10% (was 25%), and cast time increased to 3 seconds (was 2 seconds). Tidesage Enforcer's Deep Smash impact damage reduced by 25%. Tidesage Spiritualist's now casts Mending Rapids every 25 seconds (was 10 seconds) and does 50% less damage with Anchor of Binding . Temple of Sethraliss Galvazzt's Galvanize periodic damage reduced by 25%. Faithless Tender's Embryonic Vigor healing reduced to 10% (was 50%), and Greater Healing Potion now begins cooldown immediately, allowing stuns to preventing it from being recast instantly. Tol Dagor The Mythic Keystone timer is now set to 36 minutes (was 33 minutes). Underrot The Mythic Keystone timer is now set to 33 minutes (was 30 minutes). Uldir Mythrax Oblivion Sphere now strongly favors targeting ranged specs across all difficulties. Fixed a bug that prevented earning the criteria for the Achievement Existential Crisis . World Quests
      Corrected an issue that was preventing players from receiving quest credit for “Breaking Irons ” in Siege of Boralus on Mythic difficulty.
    • By Narii625
      SERVER: Illidan
      RAID TIMES: Fridays & Sundays 10pm - 1am/2am* Server Time (CT)
      CURRENT PROGRESSION: 1/8M 8/8H
      iLVL REQUIREMENT: 365+
       
      CURRENTLY RECRUITING
      Healer Need Holy Paladin All DPS Pref Mage/Shaman for BL ABOUT US
      Currently looking for skilled semi-hardcore raiders for Mythic Uldir and the next raid tier.
      Booty Pirates is a semi-hardcore, close-knit late night guild that hangs out in Discord frequently. We enjoy joking around, playing alts, doing Mythic+, playing other games, or just hanging out. 
      Players wanting just Mythic+ and a casual experience (no raiding) are welcomed!
      Fun guild events are scheduled often!
      TLDR; we're very social with guild members that actually talk to each other. 
      (18+ required, we talk like pirates!)
                *Raid can be extended to 4 hours on Fridays, but will be announced ahead of time.
      JOINING THE BOOTY PIRATES CREW
      Please follow the link below to fill out our app. (For both Raiders and Mythic+/Casual.)
      Start the app here! 
      Battle.net ID: LadyPluu#1299
      In-Game Name: Pluu