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The Bloodlust/Heroism/Time Warp section mentions an elevator, I assume you accidentally forgot to change it after copying it from Taloc's guide

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Did MOTHER this evening with a mix of previous mythic raiders and some brand new players who never raided before.  Comp was 2x Prot Paladin, Disc/RDruid/HPally healers, and Warlock, Mage, Boomy, Rogue, Retadin, Spriest, Hunter, and Ele Shaman (2/3/8).

We sent over players as soon as the adds were killed from the previous pack.  I sent over in the following order...

  1. Prot Paladin/Rogue
  2. Frost Mage/Hunter
  3. Disc Priest/Ele Shaman
  4. Spriest/Rdruid
  5. Boomy/Retadin
  6. Prot Pally/HPally/Warlock

Send people over as soon as the tank in the next room calls for adds to be almost dead to speed up encounter.  Goal is to get to last room where MOTHER is taking 100% damage.  

Lasers are easy to avoid.  Identify where they are coming from, find the gap, and get there.  Do not wait.  They hurt.

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Has anyone else purposely let there 2nd tank die in the 2nd room to avoid the tank add spawning in the last room. We just had our pally use divine shield with Final Stand Talent just tank her in the fire of the 2nd room giving us 8 seconds to kill adds before she would cross into the last room?

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      Conclusion
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      Nothing has really changed with our rotation as our main Rage generating abilities are still the same. Talent wise we have a lot more choices now than we had in BfA, which is a great thing as they influence how you play the class. Adding the Covenant abilities and various Legendary effects on top of all these changes I can say that the class has a lot more viable options overall which is a great thing.

      Problem wise, we do have some gaps in our mitigation currently, but these can be covered via proper CD management. It should also get easier as we get more gear and Haste to help reduce the CD of Shield Block. Another issue is that while we have a lot of strong cooldowns like Ravager, Booming Voice, Dragon Roar, Spear of Bastion / Ancient Aftershock, Avatar etc. they do not actually line up with each other making using them a real hassle. 
       

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