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Okay, so right now as far as gearing goes, I am trying to transition into doing Normal SoO but I need to find a new raiding guild. One that actually . . raids. As far as DPS goes, i'll have a really high opener but then around 1-2 minutes in, i start to drop in dps quickly (even out at around 110 - 120k) especially on Garrosh. I have had multiple people tell me that my DPS should be higher (about 20-30k more) & I read all the guides and watch videos to improve myself and it helps a little bit but not as much as I would like it to. It's to the point where i don't know if it's my gear / gemming or if it's my DPS / rotation . My rotation would go as follows :

 

  • 5 Seconds before pull - Evocate .
  • Pop Jade Potion 
  • Pop Mirror Image
  • Apply Nether Tempest
  • Use Frost Orb
  • Wait for procs (brain freeze & FoF) / black blood trinket stacks
  • Re-apply Nether Tempest
  • Hit Alter Time / Icy Veins Macro
  • Use procs then macro again to re-use procs
  • Use Frostbolt as filler until cooldowns are done .

 

It just seems to go downhill from there though between mechanics / moving / interrupting / etc . I know I need to work on this problem if I want to get into Normal SoO raids.

 

Here is my armory: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/garrosh/Shyvanaa/advanced

 

 

I appreciate any help and advice that is given to me. I am just here to master my mage which is my baby :)

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Could you send us a world of logs link so we could have a look at your buff umtimes, etc, please?:)

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Could you send us a world of logs link so we could have a look at your buff umtimes, etc, please?smile.png

Would a log against a Dummy be sufficient or should I wait until I do a flex / normal run ?

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I'd rather like an actual raid log. :) LFR would be fine too. Ie. Malkorok/Iron Juggernaut, Sha of pride. Those are pretty stationary fights.

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You should also select the fight. I'm sure you are looking at the full log data. :)

 

I'll try to reply you with analysis as soon as I'll have a bit of freetime.

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So, having a look at Sha of Pride logs.

 

You had 60% uptime of invoker's energy which should definitely be harder. And on this fight, you basically just stood still, so there is no reason why you could have this low uptime.

 

You had 42% uptime of Nether tempest. This should also be close to 100%, and the dot also should be snapshotted if you get an intellect proc.

 

You only used your offensive cooldowns only once, when you could have used it twice, and they have been used at the end of the fight.

 

You also didn't use any potions.

 

You had 23 procs of Fingers of procs, but you casted ice lance 38 times or even more, which is a huge waste of DPS. Also, 8 fire blasts, why? I assume that you used these, when you were moving from a prison. You should rather use a Blink/Blazing speed get into position quickly and continue your regular DPS rotation.

 

You had 17 brain freeze procs, but you only used 14-15 Frostfire bolts, while this is okay, sometimes I also waste a proc, but this is also a place fro improvement.

 

Frozen orb should also be saved up for self-reflections.

 

 

On Fallen protectors, mainly the same problems apply:

 

 

Low Invokers energy uptime, Low, NT uptime.

CD usage was okay on this one.

29 FoF charges, but more than 50 Ice lance casts.

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So, having a look at Sha of Pride logs.

 

You had 60% uptime of invoker's energy which should definitely be harder. And on this fight, you basically just stood still, so there is no reason why you could have this low uptime.

 

You had 42% uptime of Nether tempest. This should also be close to 100%, and the dot also should be snapshotted if you get an intellect proc.

 

You only used your offensive cooldowns only once, when you could have used it twice, and they have been used at the end of the fight.

 

You also didn't use any potions.

 

You had 23 procs of Fingers of procs, but you casted ice lance 38 times or even more, which is a huge waste of DPS. Also, 8 fire blasts, why? I assume that you used these, when you were moving from a prison. You should rather use a Blink/Blazing speed get into position quickly and continue your regular DPS rotation.

 

You had 17 brain freeze procs, but you only used 14-15 Frostfire bolts, while this is okay, sometimes I also waste a proc, but this is also a place fro improvement.

 

Frozen orb should also be saved up for self-reflections.

 

 

On Fallen protectors, mainly the same problems apply:

 

 

Low Invokers energy uptime, Low, NT uptime.

CD usage was okay on this one.

29 FoF charges, but more than 50 Ice lance casts.

 

Thank you very much for your help.

 

On Pride , I started the log a 2nd too late because i forgot so it didn't see me pop the jade potion i'm assuming.

 

Yes the fire blasts are for when i'm running around and mobile . I also remember reading a while back that it was a good instant to use on CD to get some quick damage in , but maybe that has changed . 

 

As far as the ice lances go, yes i do catch myself spamming unproc'd ice lances , I actually don't know why i do this when I should just be filling with Frostbolt .

 

With nether tempest though , those procs fly in like mad ! Especially when the legendary gem would proc .

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Thank you very much for your help.

 

On Pride , I started the log a 2nd too late because i forgot so it didn't see me pop the jade potion i'm assuming.

 

Yes the fire blasts are for when i'm running around and mobile . I also remember reading a while back that it was a good instant to use on CD to get some quick damage in , but maybe that has changed . 

 

As far as the ice lances go, yes i do catch myself spamming unproc'd ice lances , I actually don't know why i do this when I should just be filling with Frostbolt .

 

With nether tempest though , those procs fly in like mad ! Especially when the legendary gem would proc .

 

If you really find yourself wasting procs due to NT, you could just switch to Living Bomb on single target, a <3 targets spread up fights. :)

 

About fire blast: It triggers a 1 second GCD (Global cooldown) Frostbolt does the same and it's around 1,2 sec cast time for you. Guess which does more damage? ;)

 

You can help your mage bomb uptime with magebombtracker addon, and for snapshotting you can use weakauras :)

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If you really find yourself wasting procs due to NT, you could just switch to Living Bomb on single target, a <3 targets spread up fights. smile.png

 

About fire blast: It triggers a 1 second GCD (Global cooldown) Frostbolt does the same and it's around 1,2 sec cast time for you. Guess which does more damage? wink.png

 

You can help your mage bomb uptime with magebombtracker addon, and for snapshotting you can use weakauras smile.png

What about TellMeWhen , that's what i'm using right now to keep track of Jade Spirit / Both Trinkets / Invoker's 

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What about TellMeWhen , that's what i'm using right now to keep track of Jade Spirit / Both Trinkets / Invoker's 

That is fine as well, a good alternative.

 

Oh, what I wanted to add is that you should get your Tailoring to 600 asap, so you can use the tailoring cloak enchant which is like one extra trinket.

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That is fine as well, a good alternative.

 

Oh, what I wanted to add is that you should get your Tailoring to 600 asap, so you can use the tailoring cloak enchant which is like one extra trinket.

Thats my goal before resets happen! 

I wish there was a spell I could put on my main bar to replace fire blast but i pretty much have everything on key binds.

 

Random question but are there any tips to using G.Invis & Alter Time in SoO ? The only thing i know is that on Siegecrafter if you G.Invis the sawblade , it won't come out. 

 

How do I go about keeping up dps on the Garrosh fight if there is so much movement / I'm always assigned to Engineer duty ?

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I haven't hit fireblast since 5.1

 

Also what movement on Garrosh? How does you guild do it? I stand still almost the entire fight except when running in the sha phases.

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I haven't hit fireblast since 5.1

 

Also what movement on Garrosh? How does you guild do it? I stand still almost the entire fight except when running in the sha phases.

My current guild doesn't really raid , which I need to change . 

 

&& the most common strategy i've used is running back and forth between two points .

 

Fight starts.

Stack on Green.

Garrosh throws weapon.

Run to Purple.

Garrosh throws weapon.

Run to Green.

etc .

 

Phase 2.

Stack on Purple.

Garrosh throws Weapon.

Run into melee range for MC.

Stack on Green.

etc . 

 

Then later on spreading out for the Empowered & all the sha adds spawn.

 

I know some people do the stack method though. 

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For Garrosh, use Blink to move between the two points, minimize movement time.

 I use blink or blazing speed :D

&& i'm usually stuck with Engineer duty because i'm a mage which is kind of annoying lol .

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It looks like i'm averaging 160k - 165k dps throughout each fight now . Thanks for the tips :D Hopefully I get my tailoring to 600 and get my legendary cape soon so i can see my dps go through the roof !

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It looks like i'm averaging 160k - 165k dps throughout each fight now . Thanks for the tips biggrin.png Hopefully I get my tailoring to 600 and get my legendary cape soon so i can see my dps go through the roof !

Glad we could help :)

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That is incorrect, Motionlotion.

 

Sometimes it is very much appropriate to gem for expertise/haste or expertise/mastery. 

 

As this thread has concluded and the OP has his answers and everything appears resolved, I'm going to go ahead and lock it. For further discussion please post on my guide or make a new thread.

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