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Alex Afrasiabi's Eurogamer Interview on Sylvanas' Fate

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WoW's Creative Director talked to Eurogamer at BlizzCon 2018 about BfA's most controversial character: Warchief Sylvanas Windrunner.

Alex Afrasiabi started off by saying that it's more interesting having a divided fanbase on Sylvanas, it shows that the story team is doing their job well.

Then, while explaining how Sylvanas was always a villain, he mentions that the Wrathgate happened under her orders. This is extremely weird and it's definitely not how it is depicted in game; hopefully we won't have a retcon or a change of the story on this.

Regarding the Tides of Vengeance questline where you will choose to side with Sylvanas or with Saurfang, Afrasiabi revealed that there will be subsequent quests where you will have to follow through the choice you make.

And what about Sylvanas' ultimate fate? Well, she is not just a fan favourite, but she's a beloved character by the developers as well. For example, Afrasiabi has been working on her story since 2006. For the moment, she seems to be too well liked to be killed off and in Afrasiabi's words "it would be dismissive to think she'll just go down as another raid boss, because she's a little bit more than that". That doesn't mean we won't fight her one day and her story is far from over.

You can read the entire Eurogamer interview here. In light of this new info, what do you think about the direction Sylvanas' story will take in Battle for Azeroth?

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8 minutes ago, Zadina said:

Then, while explaining how Sylvanas was always a villain, he mentions that the Wrathgate happened under her orders.

...Bite me Blizzard. Just... Bite me.

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I think he was mostly referring to the Blight itself being Sylvanas' doing. You can't just retcon a major event like the Wrathgate and the Battle for Undercity. Otherwise you would have to come up with a completely new story as to how and why Putress dies, and how Varimathras ended up in Antorus.

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3 minutes ago, jinsu2301 said:

I think he was mostly referring to the Blight itself being Sylvanas' doing. You can't just retcon a major event like the Wrathgate and the Battle for Undercity. Otherwise you would have to come up with a completely new story as to how and why Putress dies, and how Varimathras ended up in Antorus.

He made it kind of clear that it happened because she ordered it and it also is highly in character for Sylvanas to kill her allies to achieve her goals, so I am not surprised at all. It's pretty much the same she did just recently in Undercity.

As for Putress, he probably either was the fall guy or he willingly sacrificed himself to the champions, so his Queen would remain innocent in the eyes of the horde.

And for Varimathras, something similar could be the case, even though I admit that it would be a bit more of a stretch.

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1 hour ago, Ogerscherge said:

He made it kind of clear that it happened because she ordered it and it also is highly in character for Sylvanas to kill her allies to achieve her goals, so I am not surprised at all. It's pretty much the same she did just recently in Undercity.

As for Putress, he probably either was the fall guy or he willingly sacrificed himself to the champions, so his Queen would remain innocent in the eyes of the horde.

And for Varimathras, something similar could be the case, even though I admit that it would be a bit more of a stretch.

No sense why would Sylvanas do it at the time since even she wanted to kill Lich King at that time.Putress was under the command of Varimathras and Varimathras was reporting to Sargeras.Failing at the Battle of Undercity is what caused him to be tortured in Antorus.

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9 hours ago, Zadina said:

Then, while explaining how Sylvanas was always a villain, he mentions that the Wrathgate happened under her orders.

So let me get this straight mate - Sylvanas ordered Putress to betray her (even though he's under direct command of Varimathras) and make it as believeable as possible so that Varimathras would go full Starscream on Undercity and waited while the Horde kills them both? WHY?! If she suspected that Varimathras was going to betray her FOR REAL (because well he's a dreadlord - stabbing in the back is kinda their thing) she could've just handed him over to Thrall to kill with literally no witnesses.
But all of that doesn't make a lick of sense - we saw everything that happened there both as Horde and Alliance and there is no way she would've given such order. Especially since Sylvanas knew that she gonna need ALL what she's got so take Arthas down and that "fake betrayal" scheme in the middle of fighting the most powerfull necromancer in the world is stupidly dumb.

Oh and why do i get a feeling that at one point in the future patches when Saurfang corners her and says something like "It's over you monster! You will stain our honor no longer" she will just say "Ya know what the funniest thing ever right now? I was the one who ordered to kill everyone at the Wrathgate including your son but Arthas got him first. Shame. He could've become my greatest champion". Then Saurfang lunges at her full of rage and she kills him with Old God's powers or just impales him on Xalatath.

I also have a theory - what if Sylvanas uses the same ritual as drakkari, Yazma and Zul on Bwonsamdi? She did said that "Death is her's to master" and judging by Xalatath in her hands in future patches she will be one of the raid bosses wielding both her banshee powers and those that Bwonsamdi had.

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God bless this Guy! Of course Blizzard will not kill her of as a Raid Boss. But there are still some Snowflakes who believe She will die this Expansion LoL

A Dream coming true.. but now im pretty confused as well.. i cant imagine that the Wrathgate Action was under her orders. Putress was an Idiot and started the Attack (with the Blight). Anyway, we will see what Future Blizzard will bring us..

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More like she allowed it to happen the event at wrathgate, ive alvwas doubted that many things happend in undercity without her know it, Varimathras was definitely a loose end, she needed him to go, as for Putress an easy scapegoat tho i do not discard the possibility of him willingly take the blame for her, she certanly surround herself with sycophants fanatics like blightcaller. And after seeing her use the blight on her troops at lordaeron i woulnt put it past her the events at wrathgate. Verimathras' rant at argus was more than just emty words of spite, she is an evil, manipulator, twisted, lying, full of spite and female rage sociopathic lunatic, just like my ex, thats why i call her The ex wife.

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I seriously think that whoever this person was they interviewed doesn't know his a$$ from a hole in the ground. According to EVERYTHING in game she was NOT responsible for the Wrathgate. She was betrayed by Varimathras and Putress. Why are they trying to retcon this now? Its BS.

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2 hours ago, blackstar128 said:

it feels like someone just looked at a race of zombies with a "dark lady" as their leader and just assumed they should be evil ! so sad 😞

She wants to transform all Life in Azeroth into Forsaken, because we have to feel the same pain as she did because she says so. Sounds pretty insane and evil to me. For me i dont care if she dies or gets exiled or banned or imprisoned or whatever. The only thing i want is her gone from the Warchief Position. And that she ordered Wrathgate i dont believe it. Like Freeman said its more likely that she just let it happen to see if the Blight is effective against Arthas and the Lich Army. After they see that it just is a inconvenience for him she sacrificedPutress and removed Varimathras while she was at it because he was from the Legion and a Double Edged Blade anyway.

BUT what she does now is against every Life on Azeroth so she has to be removed. If i would live on Azeroth i wouldn't want to wake up one Day and be a rottening Corpse.

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People that don't think Sylvanas is a good warchief are snowflakes? hokay.  She isn't a good warchief and it doesn't feel like the Horde under her. Kill her or depose her I don't care, but she needs to go.

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She doesn't need to be a raid boss to be killed. In her search for immortality she might stumble upon something or perhaps someone that destroys her. She is small to the forces that have that kind of power which she seeks.

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On 11/11/2018 at 8:15 PM, Marick said:

No sense why would Sylvanas do it at the time since even she wanted to kill Lich King at that time.

He was hit by it.  Visibly weakened even it seemed.

She may have thought he'd die.  Kill LK, Kill some alliance, who cares about the horde she kills because she clearly didnt at Lordaeron. 

Win Win for her.

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So, chalk up another "We don't really know our own lore" moments to Blizzard with Sylvannas apparently being behind Wrathgate. -_-

This goes in line with :

1) Rexxar joining the war because "Jaina, she's killed too many."   (???  Aside from a few Blood Elf guards and the pirates, when has Jaina every killed anyone?)

2) Tyrande saying that "Sparing Saurfang caused Teldrassil to burn."   (Again, sparing Saurfang had nothing to do with Sylvannas burning the tree, if anything killing him would have given her more justification than "a dying elf insulted me")

3) Everyone forgetting that Arthas is no longer the Lich King and the DKs don't serve him (they're using the same damn voice actor, he's completely sinister despite no bad spirits in the crown anymore and Bolvar being one of the most enduring and pious guys out there, the DK storyline in Legion had them both as tenuous allies and his minions depending on which spec you played, etc)

4) A few Vulpera helped a few Horde once who got lost in the desert with the trolls.    This was apparently enough for the alliance to organize "Purge Squads" (?!?!) to exterminate their entire race (which btw is not a cohesive nation nor a threat).

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3 hours ago, Migol said:

3) Everyone forgetting that Arthas is no longer the Lich King and the DKs don't serve him (they're using the same damn voice actor, he's completely sinister despite no bad spirits in the crown anymore and Bolvar being one of the most enduring and pious guys out there, the DK storyline in Legion had them both as tenuous allies and his minions depending on which spec you played, etc)

we don't actually 100% know there's no evil left in the crown. It was created from the ground up to be an evil tool. From what we've seen of Bolvar as the Lich King in legion, he's uh... Not super cool still? Questionable at best

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