Ret pala - need help

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Hi, i would like to ask you to help me maximize my dps.


My rotation:

pre potion

Judgement (to get closer to boss at 1st)




CS (5 stacks of HP)



GoAK(at once with AW)


Templar's Verdict




Templar's Verdict







AW priority: 

Hammer -> exorcism -> now i dont know what is stronger CS or Judgement ?


i'm using Execution sentence when i get 12 stacks from GoAK


Today i get Thok's Tail Tip and i test my dps

on dummy (30M fight) i had around 183k


i changed games from fierce vermilion onyx to skillful vermilion onyx i lost 2% of haste but i get 3% of mastery by simdps i lost around 4k dps not sure if its same in real play




thanks for any help

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Hey Saphirro.


Firstly, could you list a priority list instead of your rotation? It would be much easier for me to understand what you're trying to do. The Icy-Veins Retribution Paladin guide has the Ret priority list, so if you're doing the same as it says, you'll find yourself doing your maximum dps.


As for your gearing, you're well over hit cap, which is mostly because you have too much from gear alone, but there's nothing you can do about that. However, your Haste/Hit gem in your weapon is not worth the 60 strength vs 160 more haste. You can also fix your other Haste/Hit gem to be Haste/Stamina, since that hit gem has absolutely no value in your gear, where Stamina helps a tiny bit. It won't fix your dps, but maybe it'll save your life.


Next, you've picked up Thok's Tail Tip, which means its crit time! You want haste straigh to 40% (before raid buffs) then the rest should be into crit instead of mastery. Your rotation seems right to me but I'm not an expert at my ret rotation, so I might be off there. I believe theres a few rets in the crowd that could help get that right for ya =)


Hopefully this is helpful, good luck out there!

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thanks for help
priority is -> inquisition -> 3+ HP Templars Verdict -> exorcism -> CS -> judgement
execution stance on cd (if AW or GoAK is not close to be ready)


when target is under 20% or when i have AW than its inquisition -> Hammer -> 3+ HP Templars Verdict -> exorcism -> CS -> judgement


not useing divine storm coz i dont have 4set (or until i dont need to use it of adds)

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That's where my knowledge of ret paladins falters. My heroic raiding ret paladin friend says use exorcism first like you're doing to make sure you don't waste any procs, but all the actual ret guides I can find say otherwise. I'd guess the heroic raiders with experience are likely more correct than the theorycrafted guides, but I need a real ret paladin to be sure on which is more correct.

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Exo should be last in your rotation. Judgement w/ str trink procs > CS during burst, because of how spell power works with ret, but as soon as those trinket procs wear off go to using CS.


My priority is Judge > cs > exo during my basic rotation, don't let exo procs fool you and leave them for last in the line. That's what I use and it works pretty well for me.


As to what Fouty has said, you should change your green gems to haste+stam, it might even bring you much closer to your hit cap instead of being so far over it, and going str+haste over str+mastery right now is your priority, you should be aiming for 40% haste before you go crit or mastery.


As for your glyphs, I would highly suggest Glyph of Divine Protection over AW, simply because Divine Protection will be used more than AW during a fight (or well, it should be, EEoG makes it have a really low CD) I think I've covered everything.


Though one more thing, I haven't been able to fully discover if Exo is better before CS or not priority wise, but I do know that, at least with me, it gives me no pausing in my rotation since going J>CS>Exo, if Exo>CS works better then go for that

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i have this glyph normaly but i changed it for garrosh fight


and i would aprecitate some good addon to help me track trinket procs

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If you just want to know when its active, TellMeWhen has the ability to track all buffs/debuffs on people, so you can get that and fiddle with it, understand how it works and then set up your trinkets. It's a very effective addon for watching all sorts of things. You just have to put your trinket's buff name in the buff list and make sure its tracking it on yourself, put in your options and move the bar to somewhere not obnoxious on your screen =)

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when i set my tellmewhen i was able to do 220k dps on iron juggernaut on flex (10pple) 
even i changed AW rotation from hammer -> exo -> filler to hammer -> CS

i changed gems even in wep but my simdps goes down i duuno

otherwise it looks like i boost it a little smile.png thx guys now i have to master trinket proc for judgement priority xD

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Sim DPS is not 100% accurate and I wouldn't rely on it very much, my Sim regularly fluctuates and has even dropped to well under my actual dps by a large margin, so don't hold SIM to anything

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