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Battle of Dazar'alor Race Day 9: Two More Kills

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While there were indeed three total defeats of Jaina so far, we only have two guilds that have finished up the Battle of Dazar'alor Mythic, and Method got both the first and second "kill" on the final boss. Limit also got Jaina down a short while after that, becoming the second guild to do so, as well as the US first, which means we get to find out what their strategy was. There's also some interviews from Method's side going over the race and how it all played out, as well as Limit's Stormwall Blockade World First kill video.

First off, we have Method's second kill, which was also the World 2nd, which hasn't happened in a while as far as I can recall, and it came in around 7 and a half hours after they started re-clearing.

Then let's move on to Limit, as we didn't hear much from the during the race itself, and their GM Max headed to his stream to talk about their tries as he went over many of their attempts, how their strategy differed from Methods, the fact that they tried Method's strat before Method did but concluded it wouldn't work, and everything else that happened.

And here we have Limit's World First Stormwall Blockade kill video as well:

We then move on to the Method interviews, as Sco did one with Red Bull, going over what they felt as all the bosses aside from Jaina died so quickly on the US side, the overall difficulty of the raid and more.

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The longer things went on and we realised that this fight against Jaina wasn’t going to be a pushover, that’s when the confidence started returning to us, because every day extra we spent on the fight we knew that the gap was closing between us and Limit. So when we realised how hard Jaina was we knew that it would take something special to defeat her. We actually got some really good tries last night, below 10%, but at the end of the night we realised that we needed to come back fresh today.  - Sco, Methd GM and co-owner

There was also a big on-stream interview with 7 of Method players going over the race and answering viewer questions. Some of the highlights revealed include that fact that the guild is tens and tens of millions of gold in debt due to all the mats, consumables and BoEs they purchased before the race, how they struggled on some earlier bosses, as well as a more in-depth discussion of the US vs. EU reset times.

That about wraps up yesterday's events, as no further guilds have managed to get Jaina down. Whether or not we'll see her defeated again today is questionable, but what is exciting is if Alpha or another Asian guild can claim that 3rd spot before any other guild does.

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And here's a little extra, Method's Josh talking about their gearing and the crazy amounts of gold they spent, as well as the splits and everything related to that:

 

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Method proving once again that no one can compete against their money. It's a real shame. I really don't see why Blizzard doesn't put these world first races on a tournament realm and actually give a fair and level playing field. 

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3 hours ago, Demonpuke said:

Method proving once again that no one can compete against their money. It's a real shame. I really don't see why Blizzard doesn't put these world first races on a tournament realm and actually give a fair and level playing field. 

I'm kinda curious how you think that Method won purely because of their money... It's clearly not that they're just really, really good raiders.

 

Also curious how you expect them to make a realm that is a level playing field for every continent when lag plays a factor. Not to mention blizz doesn't "host" the world first race. it's community driven

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5 hours ago, Aegrotat said:

I'm kinda curious how you think that Method won purely because of their money... It's clearly not that they're just really, really good raiders.

 

Also curious how you expect them to make a realm that is a level playing field for every continent when lag plays a factor. Not to mention blizz doesn't "host" the world first race. it's community driven

Method has massive corporate sponsorship behind them, which no other competing team has. They talked about how they spent ludicrous amounts of gold buying up mats and boe's, again something that no other guild can do. Method was 406 ilvl average when they downed Jaina, and Limit was only 402 AFTER a full reclear. That is indicative of the sheer ridiculous amounts of money spent here. Over a hundred million total I guarantee (the best socketed boe's were selling for 2.5 mil minimum, 2 per char, at least 20 chars = 50 million at least on boe's alone). Where do you think that money comes from, SANTY CLAUSE?!? 

Method also had their raid team in the same building, something no other team could do. Their players had more time to no-life it as half of that raid team (at least half) are on the actual PAYROLL, it's their entire job to play wow! Limit already had people needing to go back to real life before the first reset even happened, and I suspect that the other guilds ran into the same problem. Not for Method though: here's some money, keep playing. 

Pvp and m+ is put on a tournament realm with nary a problem. There is no reason it couldn't be done for this as well. Lag? My friend server lag is a simple issue to fix when there are less than a hundred people using an entire server. It can quite easily be optimized by Blizzard for anyone wherever they are, especially the major metropolis London. It's not exactly a podonk town in Siberia, they have pretty decent internet over there.

True that Blizzard doesn't host the race, but they definitely should. Considering they already cater the end game to these couple of hundred people, they should at least capitalize on it. Clearly it is a market ripe for harvest. 

Edit: Apparently Method spent well over 100 million gold on boe's. They also server changed many times on many characters so they could buy up boe's on other servers. That pretty much says it all. Fair? Hardly. More like bought. Excellent skilled players? Of course they are, I won't take that from them, but this was a bought win, through and through. This doesn't even take into account how much money they threw at this competition in the months leading up to it, nor does it take into account Method's admitted MASSIVE roster.

Method would have NEVER won this race if they hadn't had the bought gear advantage, considering they used the brute force burn strategy and considering the time frame when Limit got their kill. PAY TO WIN aka cheating. Personally I'd rather see this on a tournament realm where player skill wins the race, not corporate bank accounts.

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28 minutes ago, Demonpuke said:

Method has massive corporate sponsorship behind them, which no other competing team has. They talked about how they spent ludicrous amounts of gold buying up mats and boe's, again something that no other guild can do. Method was 406 ilvl average when they downed Jaina, and Limit was only 402 AFTER a full reclear. That is indicative of the sheer ridiculous amounts of money spent here. Over a hundred million total I guarantee (the best socketed boe's were selling for 2.5 mil minimum, 2 per char, at least 20 chars = 50 million at least on boe's alone). Where do you think that money comes from, SANTY CLAUSE?!? 

Their corporate sponshorships didn't help them win, they even said they used raw gold and didn't just buy wow tokens. in fact, they OWE people gold, as in they used gold they don't have.

They're also not the only ones with gold. Limit specifically server hopped around to take advantage of things using sheer gold. They specifically talked about how much it was costing them, and how it "wasn't that much because they sell heroic and mythic runs.

Idk how you can think they win purely because they have money, it's just diminishing the actual effort they put in to get the most out of their time to get ready. They are definitely not the only guilds throwing money around to do the mythic race. And if we're being honest, luck alone can play into average item levels. It's almost like gear drops are random and so are titan forges

It's also hardly cheating. Every guild can get gold and do what they did. In fact, like I said, other guilds DID do this. Using an in game currency to get items and progress your group is hardly cheating.

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22 minutes ago, Aegrotat said:

Their corporate sponshorships didn't help them win, they even said they used raw gold and didn't just buy wow tokens. in fact, they OWE people gold, as in they used gold they don't have.

They're also not the only ones with gold. Limit specifically server hopped around to take advantage of things using sheer gold. They specifically talked about how much it was costing them, and how it "wasn't that much because they sell heroic and mythic runs.

Idk how you can think they win purely because they have money, it's just diminishing the actual effort they put in to get the most out of their time to get ready. They are definitely not the only guilds throwing money around to do the mythic race. And if we're being honest, luck alone can play into average item levels. It's almost like gear drops are random and so are titan forges

It's also hardly cheating. Every guild can get gold and do what they did. In fact, like I said, other guilds DID do this. Using an in game currency to get items and progress your group is hardly cheating.

Other guilds admitted to spending tens of millions. Method spent hundreds of millions. And who do you think they "borrowed" that gold from? There are very few people on each server who have that kind of liquid gold, and even less who would, LOL, "loan" it away. 

They are never going to come right out and admit to buying their win, obviously. Use some common sense mush brain. 406 compared to 402 ilvl is hardly from "luck and titanforges" when it comes to entire raid teams involved. I really don't see how you can defend their actions. The simple truth is that they bought their win, no matter who they claim they got the money from, and if you are truly that stupid to believe that their sponsors weren't secretly funneling money into this behind the scenes the entire time, then I truly don't know why I am even bothering talking with you.

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57 minutes ago, Demonpuke said:

Other guilds admitted to spending tens of millions. Method spent hundreds of millions. And who do you think they "borrowed" that gold from? There are very few people on each server who have that kind of liquid gold, and even less who would, LOL, "loan" it away. 

They are never going to come right out and admit to buying their win, obviously. Use some common sense mush brain. 406 compared to 402 ilvl is hardly from "luck and titanforges" when it comes to entire raid teams involved. I really don't see how you can defend their actions. The simple truth is that they bought their win, no matter who they claim they got the money from, and if you are truly that stupid to believe that their sponsors weren't secretly funneling money into this behind the scenes the entire time, then I truly don't know why I am even bothering talking with you.

Ummm Limit spent "tens of millions" on their ONE faction transfer alone. I'm pretty sure they spent almost the same amount as Method did, if not more - they also race changed everyone to trolls on their last day, that ain't cheap. I don't know anything about the loans but I don't see why there wouldn't be individuals with that kind of gold on their hands on those servers, when they're clearly the most profitable ones anywhere. And why wouldn't they lend Method the money (unless they didn't like the guild) - a) they'd 100% get their money back + probably more and b)they get in good with the No.1 guild in the world? Why WOULDN'T you borrow them money if you had it?!

Oh and "if you dont' agree with my arguments you're too stupid to talk to" is a REALLY good way to construct an argument. I don't think it's him that's looking foolish here (even if you turn out to be right).

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After watching that last vid that is alot of time and planning in advance for gear farming not to mention the alt leveling/gearing.  And that is just armor, weapons, off-hands, jewelry, and trinkets.  Not the amount consumables for potions, flasks, and feasts either.  Tokens were not used during the process.  Even if 'sponsors' where to make characters in WoW and solely buy up tokens, sell them, and then turn the gold over to these Guilds is a bit silly and foolish thinking.  If that were the case token values on the AH would drop dramatically to less than 100 gold ea on select servers.  I also do not see these 'sponsors' RMT'ing the gold ingame either and graciously given it away to the top Guilds.

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4 hours ago, Ragingwolf said:

After watching that last vid that is alot of time and planning in advance for gear farming not to mention the alt leveling/gearing.  And that is just armor, weapons, off-hands, jewelry, and trinkets.  Not the amount consumables for potions, flasks, and feasts either.  Tokens were not used during the process.  Even if 'sponsors' where to make characters in WoW and solely buy up tokens, sell them, and then turn the gold over to these Guilds is a bit silly and foolish thinking.  If that were the case token values on the AH would drop dramatically to less than 100 gold ea on select servers.  I also do see these 'sponsors' RMT'ing the gold ingame either and graciously given it away to the top Guilds.

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he's managing to forget that "sponsors" for esports, tend to give products for the team to use with their logo on them, as a form of advertising. They don't typically give them thousands of dollars and say "here go buy wow gold so you win"

I know people don't like method, that's fine. but this "omg they're cheating because they bought things with gold" is getting ridiculous. Same with "them buying things won them it" because let's face it, if they can't play the part of mythic raiders, their iLvl doesn't mean anything.

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16 hours ago, Demonpuke said:

The simple truth is that they bought their win, no matter who they claim they got the money from, and if you are truly that stupid to believe that their sponsors weren't secretly funneling money into this behind the scenes the entire time, then I truly don't know why I am even bothering talking with you.

I can't live any longer without telling the truth:

I work at Blizzard, WOW and yes, we received a lot of money from the sponsors. That's why we turned down the difficulty of Jaina for Method. 

I am deeply ashamed ?

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At this point I think it's safe to confirm that Method did 9/11 from sponsor money.
It's a recurring pattern in every field of sport that the most skilled sportsmen get the best sponsorship deals. Wow - what a coincidence! ?Corporations simply want to sponsor the highest ranking players available.
But to anyone who still believes money = world first we should start a fundraising with a goal of one zillion gold (that is guaranteed more than Method has access to) and see if they can beat them next raid tier.

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4 hours ago, Badadada said:

At this point I think it's safe to confirm that Method did 9/11 from sponsor money.
It's a recurring pattern in every field of sport that the most skilled sportsmen get the best sponsorship deals. Wow - what a coincidence! ?Corporations simply want to sponsor the highest ranking players available.
But to anyone who still believes money = world first we should start a fundraising with a goal of one zillion gold (that is guaranteed more than Method has access to) and see if they can beat them next raid tier.

If we're being fair, he also thinks that method is showing "poor sportsmanship" for killing Jaina a second time before Limit got their first. I mean, normal guilds would just get the kill and never do the mythic raid again obviously!

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