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War Campaign continues in Patch 8.1.5 and here's a cinematic showing off the reunion of Derek and Jaina Proudmoore that surfaced on live servers. Spoilers ahead!

Credits to MMO-Champion for the video! You can check out the original post here.

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Confirmed. Alliance Undead allied race. Does anyone remember the leak in which it said that they would be called the Redemeed and they'd be led by Calia?

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On 3/12/2019 at 9:03 PM, Dejo93 said:

Alliance Undead allied race. The Redemeed and they'd be led by Calia?

Well, they alrdy got Blood Elfs. Might aswell give them Undeads while we´re at it

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I am a bit confused, Aren't forsaken with Sylvanas by their own choice, not by Lich-king'y mindbending? Or it's taking place with recent... "reinforcements"?

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I mean why they doing this to horde leader always? if they want kill sylvanas just kill it ! stop this jaina romantic and weird story, jaina survive and run 3 time from battle! how many time blizzard show us alliance is good faction and horde not? sylvanas have one of the best story in WoW lore and now they ruined so bad!

They kill alot of leader from horde like voljin and garrosh, now what we have? injury thrall, baine and saurfang? its not fair ...

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Oh please give me a break.  There as been plenty of deceit on the Horde side much of it caused by the Banshee queen.  The book Before the Storm released just prior to Battle for Azeroth completely showed this entire thread.  But the Banshee killed her own "Forsaken" at a meeting in the Arathi Highlands and made it look like the Alliance was the perp.  Like Baine said, There is a sickness within the Horde mostly the Banshee queen.  In the book she basically states her end goal is to make all of the people on Azeroth "Forsaken".  During Legion she was trying to steal the secret of immortality for her Forsaken but Greymane stopped her according to the cut scene but somehow she still has her fingers in the Valkyr.  She will do anything necessary to reach her goal and destroying the Horde from within is no problem to her.

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8 hours ago, Benix said:

I mean why they doing this to horde leader always? if they want kill sylvanas just kill it ! stop this jaina romantic and weird story, jaina survive and run 3 time from battle! how many time blizzard show us alliance is good faction and horde not? sylvanas have one of the best story in WoW lore and now they ruined so bad!

They kill alot of leader from horde like voljin and garrosh, now what we have? injury thrall, baine and saurfang? its not fair ...

best story in WoW and now they ruined it? I think you missed the parts where she was crazy before. I recommend you the really good podcasts of "lost Codex".  In one of the videos Jesse analyses how she is (spoiler alert) not out of character. Prior to the videos of him i wasnt to much into the story of the horde, and from my perspective it all makes sense now. But please go ahead and see it for yourself, and make your own opinion ?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBYJ5w2BFm8

 

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Really?    The undead situation with the alliance just gets sillier by the expansion.

Marty Mcpriest was a proud soldier of the alliance and believer in the holy light.    Until the day he was killed in battle, then resurrected by the Lich King to be a mindless slave.   Then he was "freed" when Arthas was weakened, and broke free to follow Sylvannas as one of her Forsaken.   

Then, the luckless fellow was killed again by Arthas, and (again!) resurrected by Arthas as a puppet, this time as a powerful Death Knight.     He marched in an assault on the chapel in the plaguelands, and had his mind freed from bondage (again!), this time by Tirion.   

 

But poor Marty Mcpriest still couldn't go back to his human family, because while Tirion interceded with Varian Wrynn to allow the human deathknights back into the alliance, he didn't intercede for the human turned undead into undead(er?) Deathknights, because that would be crazy.  

Now Marty Mcrpriest, after watching the plight of a new fellow forsaken getting rejected by his wife in Kul Tiras, hears that there's a sister of Arthas out there who's recruiting undead for the alliance.   But only light forged ones, whatever the hell that means.

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21 hours ago, MrOger said:

I am a bit confused, Aren't forsaken with Sylvanas by their own choice, not by Lich-king'y mindbending? Or it's taking place with recent... "reinforcements"?

Choice is a very malleable word.

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On 3/13/2019 at 2:28 PM, Migol said:

Choice is a very malleable word.

Especially when it's only the appearance of choice.  When all other options are removed from them.  

In actuality, they went from one master to another.  This one insecure in the relationship while on the hunt for the BBD (bigger better deal).

 

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On 3/15/2019 at 4:46 AM, kakodaimonos said:

I remember when they said they won't make Sylvannas a Garrosh 2.0.

So what exactly is this then?

For me personally this feels like pretty lazy writing.

It could simply mean she won't be a boss in the final raid. 

She's also not likely to stand trial and reflect on her actions.  While he makes no apologies he was shown to be more than just insane and even more than just evil.  He remained firm in his single-minded commitment to his vision for his own people while actually respecting some of his enemies (unlike Sylvanas, Garrosh holds respect for Anduin based on awareness of who he is and not an ignorant perception of what they'd like to believe he is).

There's no redemption for either of them but the fact that they're both Warchiefs leading their people to ruin is all they have in common, and part of why they have that in common is because of the Horde itself and the fact that neither have personalities or backgrounds that should have made them fit for the job at the time it was given to them.  So in that way it was a fatal error and poor judgement on both the part of Thrall and Vol'Jin as to either of them having the position and you don't need 20/20 hindsight to see that, yeah, coulda seen bad times coming.

But Sylvannas is closer to an Arthas 2.0 or Guldan 2.0 and is both worse and more complicated than a more simplistic villain like Garrosh.

edit: and what I mean by "the Horde itself", well, it is an organization that was formed out of evil.  Simple as that.  It's attempted a reformation since being created as an all-Orc party bent on destruction and bloodshed, but that is its roots.  It was founded in darkness and it should come as no surprise that it is plunged into darkness when its under the leadership of those who have a completely alien concept of what "peace" or even day-to-day existence entails.   How long are the trolls and tauren going to be a part of something that predisposes them pledge allegiance to suffering, murder, enslavement and genocide?

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Well there's more similarities than that though.    A fallen hero of the horde going into hiding and leading a rebellion, check.   A warchief who obviously only cares (a very little) about their race's well being and the other horde races be damned?   Check.     Messing with powers anyone with two brain cells should know not to, after they or their father has experience with corrupting, mind controlling powers?    Check.    WIlling to commit atrocities with weapons of mass destruction, on primarily civilian areas?   Check effing plus.

You could go on and on with a thesis about the way both storylines went in the same directions.

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Maybe, maybe not.  You could create a similar checklist if they up and decided to make Anduin a villain all of a sudden, and gave him a scenario where he chose genocide.  Doesn't make his story anything but ex post facto "in the same direction".  Unlike Garrosh, however, Sylvanas has been on a long arc to become who she is, and not just someone who rather quickly proved they weren't fit for the job they were given (hell, Garrosh said as much and Thrall didn't listen).

 

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