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So, I am stacking straight crit as resto, which seems to be working well. I was horrified losing over 16% haste after reforging and gem replacement, but anyway. I'm wondering if anyone else is noticing a difference in HPS when using the T16 2P or NOT using it. Reason being, I run Ordos just for Chestguard of Pyrrhic Immolation and I'd like to replace my Tunic of Celestial Harmony for the crit specifically. I look at Recount for information but all of the numbers just confuse the hell out of me. Some of you more progressed raiders maybe could give a new guy some input?

 

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/Azgalor/Hebron/advanced

Armory just for reference.

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So have you significantly gained HPS since you moved to straight crit?

 

The 2pc is really awesome in my opinion, even if it's a bit dull. The healing it does came 4th on our latest Garrosh kill at around 9% of my total healing done, whereas Ancestral Awakening came in around 1.5%. So I would expect to see a huge loss in HPS if I dropped the 2pc, especially on tank-heavy fights.

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Well, it's hard to judge because the other healer is an equally geared druid, and I think we all know how OP they are, but in solo situations, I've noticed a gain. I have to heal a bit more proactively to make up for the cast time but I'm getting 400-500k healing waves instead of barely 200k, chain heals collectively are hitting for about the same. Seems like an increase, but that's my concern, is my ES absorb doing a lot. I've been reading more about it in whatever I can find on Google and I think you're right, it'd be a loss in the end. The mana back from crit is insane, I only dip low on H Protectors, otherwise I'm generally over 40% even in a pinch. But We've only gotten to Galakras so far, very casual guild, so I haven't experienced H IJ or Dark Shamans yet. And, I'm only 568 so there could be a significant difference once I shed some of my normal/warforged pieces.

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You're actually higher than I am, and at roughly the same progression as my guild would be if we hadn't had a few important main switches. Anyway, I don't think that 1k Crit should have a difference of over 100% to your direct heals. Do you have logs to back that up?

 

 

I'm interested to see where this goes, as I'm looking to go from Haste (Normal) gear to Crit (Heroic) gear as we progress.

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I personally don't keep logs, or however it works... I think someone in the raid does but I've never looked into it. Although, the past few weeks I've been sitting for a lot of the bosses for others to come in, but I could start taking note in the next coming raids to have some kind of idea of the difference between the two.

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I did a bit of digging and these appear to be logs from your guild. There aren't any particularly recent ones so I won't analyse them (most recent is 12th December). Ask your guild leader if they upload them still!

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