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Method's Cayna Talks about the NA Raid Head Start

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Crucible of Storms opens next week and the Mythic race starts the week after that, so the topic of the World First race has come up again. With Crucible the issue is even more pronounced, as there are only two bosses and, as we found out in recent interviews, the final boss is supposed to be on the same difficulty level as Jaina. Method raider Cayna talks about all the related issues, focusing on the EU's 16-18 hour disadvantage, but also addressing some of the advantages to this situation and the reason why this issue is only being focused on recently.

He goes over plenty of previous raids, including the last several and how close they were, with the final boss being accessible extremely quickly after release, making the advantage that much more significant. There are also solutions offered, as you'd expect, and despite some possible bias on the subject, as Method are the ones "suffering" from this disadvantage, the video is pretty objective and takes both sides into consideration and it's certainly worth a watch.

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It always boils down to these kind of talks, yet Method always claim world firsts. Same happened with Trial of Valor and pretty much every tier in the past. I don’t think CoS will be any different. 

Mythic difficulty opens on April 23 btw, let’s see if Limit is finally going to stream their progress.

33 minutes ago, Starym said:

There are also solutions offered, as you'd expect, and despite some possible bias on the subject, as Method are the ones "suffering" from this disadvantage, the video is pretty objective and takes both sides into consideration and it's certainly worth a watch.

Nobody is going to have issues with that so long as Method’s suffering from success 😄 as @Koxsossaid. 

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As long as EU keeps winning against all odds, not many will see this as an issue.

It is absurd to call it a race though.

Other aspects could include things as token prices combined with faction and race balancing. I get they  are both in game and out of game rich but there still is a difference.  Ability to switch over at a cheaper rate will only pile on. 

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31 minutes ago, Koxsos said:

As long as EU keeps winning against all odds, not many will see this as an issue.

It is absurd to call it a race though.

Other aspects could include things as token prices combined with faction and race balancing. I get they  are both in game and out of game rich but there still is a difference.  Ability to switch over at a cheaper rate will only pile on. 

Let me correct you. EU doesn't win, method wins, and they win because of the huge advantage they get from being a legit gaming organization and the huge amount of hours more they dump into the race.
 

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19 minutes ago, MarcHethrusWaters said:

Let me correct you. EU doesn't win, method wins, and they win because of the huge advantage they get from being a legit gaming organization and the huge amount of hours more they dump into the race.
 

And what about before they were a legit gaming organization? Also, all guilds that even pretend to compete for WF dump a huge amount of hours into the race. (unfortunately that's usually just 2 😄 )

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The problem isn't just the opening of the raid but also the reset. A simultaneous reset would mean some regions would have their reset right during peak raiding times. That would affect a lot more players negatively than the 100 or so who compete for world or region first.

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I thought it was always based on time? As in if the raid releases Tuesday for NA and it takes them 20 hours to clear, yet released on Wednesday for EU, but takes 10 hours to clear, EU wins? Wouldnt that make more sense on how to track it etc? Im sure this was the case a 3 or 4 expansions ago (not a world first, but a boss in a raid, where it was based on time etc).

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8 minutes ago, Literae said:

I thought it was always based on time? As in if the raid releases Tuesday for NA and it takes them 20 hours to clear, yet released on Wednesday for EU, but takes 10 hours to clear, EU wins? Wouldnt that make more sense on how to track it etc? Im sure this was the case a 3 or 4 expansions ago (not a world first, but a boss in a raid, where it was based on time etc).

Nope, for WFs it's always been a mater of whoever kills it first. The reason it's not really been an issue so far is cos only 1 raid was won be the US in recent memory (Heart of Fear). TBH the whole EU/NA thing isn't the only issue here, Asia guilds get the reset later than EU and they rarely get mentioned in the conversation.

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11 hours ago, Starym said:

Asia guilds get the reset later than EU and they rarely get mentioned in the conversation.

The good old days where Asia sometimes got the patch several weeks later yet somehow still manage to creep into the top 10

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20 hours ago, Yojiro said:

The good old days where Asia sometimes got the patch several weeks later yet somehow still manage to creep into the top 10

But only with Aimbot and Wallhack !!! 🤭

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On 4/14/2019 at 12:23 PM, Yojiro said:

The good old days where Asia sometimes got the patch several weeks later yet somehow still manage to creep into the top 10

Yes, the good old days of Asian rotation bots.. when computer program injected into the game executed your simcraft healing/damage/tanking rotation to millisecond precision, with 0% chance of making any mistake. When no legit player playing by hands could ever remotely reach that level of performance. The good old Asian days indeed.

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It's either NA vs EU or it's The United States of America vs Netherlands, Sweden, Norway, Italy, Germany, England, France, Spain, etc etc.

Either way that picture is wrong.

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