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Introduction:

 

I would like to start a kind of Discussion/Guide on Frost Mage PvP seeing that Icy-Veins lacks class specific pvp guides. I will adjust the guide as we get some advice from experianced Mage players.

As a Frost Mage, your role in PvP instances (arena, battlegrounds, etc) will be to deal damage to other players with the goal to kill them.

 

 

Strengths:

1) Great Burst

2) Basic spells will snare targets for at least 50% movement speed.

3) You have multiple Control spells that can root and incapacitate your opponents.

 

Weaknesses:

1) Very low healing capacity and health pool.

 

Stat Priority

Haste is considered the best secondary stat in PvP since it allows you to cast faster, resulting in less interrupts, more chance to move and more ticks on your DoTs (Living Bomb and Nether Tempest)

Spell Hit to 6% > Int > Haste > Critical Strike to 25% > Mastery > Critical Strike after 25% > Spell Hit after 6%

 

 

Gear: 

 

Getting Started:

 

Get yourself the latest crafted PvP gear. "Crafted Malevolent Gladiator" on Auction House, or let your friends / Guild craft it for you.

Crafted from Tailoring:






 

You will notice there are several off-pieces (Back, Waist, Wrists and Feet). You can get the one that mostly fits your build (Mastery or Haste)

 

Crafted from Inscription:


 

Skills:

 

Talents:

Tier 1:

spell_fire_burningspeed.jpgBlazing Speed - Recommended. This works extremely well when trying to kite melee. 

spell_nature_enchantarmor.jpgPresence of Mind - Also Recommended, works well with Polymorth. Would not recommend using this with spell_frost_ring-of-frost.jpgRing of Frost.

spell_mage_iceflows.jpgIce Floes - Not a good option compared to the other 2.

 

Tier 2:

spell_mage_temporalshield.jpgTemporal Shield - Recommended when playing against opponents that burst extremely well since all health lost will be regenerated. "Can be used while stunned" is extremely helpful when a rogue or warrior opens with stun (Cheap Shot or Charge) and your Blink is on cooldown.

spell_ice_lament.jpgIce Barrier - Works well when the other team only applies pressure, but not burst. Also helps that your spells won't be delayed by damage.

inv_elemental_primal_fire.jpgFlameglow - Not really a good option, only works well when you have a healer and the other team is not bursting you.

 

Tier 3:

spell_frost_ring-of-frost.jpgRing of Frost - Recommended. Most used talent.

ability_mage_frostjaw.jpgFrostjaw - Is a good CC+Interrupt when used with Presence of Mind. This is mostly only picked by fire mages. Nice setup for Deep Freeze.

spell_frost_frostward.jpgIce Ward - Not recommended

 

Tier 4:

spell_frost_wizardmark.jpgCold Snap - Recommended, one of the few heals that a mage has.

spell_fire_rune.jpgCauterize - Only recommend when you have a healer. Make sure to use Ice Block to remove the DoT.

ability_mage_greaterinvisibility.jpgGreater Invisibility - Only recommended in battlegrounds for when you want to slip past a team battle to cap a flag.

 

Tier 5:

spell_mage_nethertempest.jpgNether Tempest - Recommended when using a Haste Build. Great for Battlegrounds.

spell_mage_frostbomb.jpgFrost Bomb - Recommended for Burst Tactics.

ability_mage_livingbomb.jpgLiving Bomb - Recommended when using a Haste Build, great for when you don't want Nether Tempest removing CCs.

 

 

Tier 6:

spell_shadow_detectlesserinvisibility.jpIncanter's Ward Recommended. Gives a nice shield and you get to channel Evocation for health.

spell_arcane_arcane03.jpgInvocation - Not recommended. Heal is minimal and you don't have time to apply the buff each time if expires.

spell_mage_runeofpower.jpgRune of Power Not Recommended. Everyone loves hitting a stationary target.

 

Glyphs:

spell_nature_purge.jpgGlyph of Evocation - Evocation becomes a healing spell, great since Mages don't have many healing spells. Be sure to use when the opponent cannot interrupt you.

inv_glyph_majormage.jpgGlyph of Icy Veins- Great for burst situations. 

inv_glyph_majormage.jpgGlyph of Armors - Allows you to boost the damage reduction on ability_mage_moltenarmor.jpgMolten Armor or the DoT reduction on spell_magearmor.jpgMage Armor.

inv_glyph_majormage.jpgGlyph of Deep Freeze - Recommended for Arena use when you want to stop opponents going LoS.

inv_glyph_majormage.jpgGlyph of Ice Block - Recommend when playing against other casters since it provides a 3 second invulnerability to spells. 

inv_glyph_majormage.jpgGlyph of Polymorph - Recommended in arenas when you and your team members have DoTs on a target you want to control.

 

and Minor Glyphs:

spell_arcane_blink.jpgGlyph of Momentum - If you want to blink in the direction you are strafing.

 

Spell Categories:

Your spells can be divided into the following categories

 

Survival-Control:

Freeze (Root)




 

Slow (Snare)



 

Interrupt:


 

Lose Control:

spell_nature_polymorph.jpgPolymorph- Important: Don't use this spell on targets that are already injured, because they will regenerate at a much faster rate than normal when polymorthed.

 

Stuns:

ability_mage_deepfreeze.jpgDeep Freeze- Also a DPS-Cooldown

 

Survival-Movement:

spell_arcane_blink.jpgBlink - Important: Blink breaks Stuns!!


 

Survival-Absorbs-and-Heals (Imporant: Can be used while stunned):






 

Survival-Control Breakers:

spell_arcane_blink.jpgBlink - Blink breaks Stuns!!



 

Some other spells you can use are:

AoE Spells to reveal enemies in Stealth:




 

DPS-Cooldowns:





 

 

Gameplay:

In PvE, you have a DPS Rotation

In PvP, you have combos, and conditional casts.

 

Combos is where you cast certain spells together for an effect, like a Burst.

Conditional Casts is when you use certain spells under certain conditions for example using Blink when you are stunned by a Rogue.

 

Your gameplay mostly consists of completing Goals, these Goals can consist and be adjusted according to the instance you are playing and the type of opponent(s) you are facing. For example:

 

Goals when playing against Melee opponents:

 

1. Get some distance  (Survive)

Reason: If they are not close to you, they cannot hit you.

How: By using spells that Root / Snare them, or using spell to get away (Mentioned in the spell categories with "Survival" in their name)

 

Normally, you open with your Pet spell_frost_frostnova.jpgFreeze just to keep them where they are, and to generate a Fingers of Frost (Free Ice Lance or Deep Freeze)

If they are close to you, use spell_frost_frostnova.jpgFrost Nova instead. 

If both are on cooldown, you can use spell_frost_glacier.jpgCone of Cold to slow them, and then cast a spell_frost_ring-of-frost.jpgRing of Frost between you and them to block their path.

 

If these are on cooldown and they are getting close / used their anti-spell defensive cooldowns, use a "Absorb" type spell.

 

 

Goals to killing opponents:

1. The Setup (for a kill)

Reason: If you use your DPS Cooldowns while they still have their defensive cooldowns, you won't be able to kill them.

 

How: As you Root and Snare your opponent, you can cast your Mage Bomb and use some Ice Lances, Frostfire Bolts, Frostbolts to damage your target. They will start using their PvP Trinkets and Defensive abilities just to counter the damage while rooted or snared. Another way to force someone to use their PvP Trinket is to use Polymorth (Do not cast on injured opponents).

When you know they have used their Trinket/Defensive Cooldowns, you can proceed to Burst them.

 

2. Burst

Reason: Normal damage will allow the target to [cast heals/ to be healed]. Bursting is a effective way to kill someone without them getting heals.

How

First, you will need to freeze (root) them with your Pet's Freeze / Frost Nova / Ring of Frost. Another option is to have 1 Fingers of Frost (from using Frozen Orb / Pet Freeze / Frostbolts).

 

Next is:

Use your DPS Cooldowns (Icy Veins, Mirror Images, PvP Power Trinket, Berserk, etc)

Cast Mage Bomb, then Frostbolt.

While the Frostbolt is still traveling, cast ability_mage_deepfreeze.jpgDeep Freeze (While you have FoF or the Root on target). Any spells cast while the target is under Deep Freeze's effect will also trigger spell_frost_frostshock.jpgShatter

From here on, spam Ice Lance until Deep Freeze wears off, then cast your Frostfire Bolt.

 

The following spells should hit for:

1x Mage Bomb (75k)

1x Frostbolt (25k non-crit, 50k crit)

4x Ice Lance (each hits for like 80k)

1x Brain Freeze (50k)

 

Total: 495k (Keep in mind this amount can change according to thier resilliance and your PvP Power)

 

That is all folks, thanks for reading, Please leave some constructive comments/tips so we can bring out an Official Icy-Veins Frost Mage PvP Guide later on.

Edited by Archimage
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First of all, thanks for your efforts. This is a nice start, so I pinned this topic.

 

Maybe a suggestion on the formatting; when we started thinking about our PvP guides, I posted this structure:

 

The format proposed here should be used for all class guides to keep them consistent. It is of course subject to both discussion and change.

  • Introduction: The main role of the spec/class. Viability in arena, battlegrounds and overall PvP. Strengths and weaknesses, briefly touched.
  • Stats: Stat priorities / Target stat values.
  • Gear: Gear discussion (Trinkets, possible weapons, etc.) Gems, maybe options with discussion (if any). Enchantments, discussion as well. Alternatives to costly enchantments. Useful professions.
  • Skills: Breakdown of all useful class skills, categorized for example into offensive, defensive and utility. Optimal talents with discussion, situational changes. Glyphs to choose.
  • Gameplay: How to play your class in general. Highlight both offensive and defensive play. Detailed content has to be discussed spec-wise.
  • Addons and Macros: Useful addons and mandatory macros.

The emphasis clearly lies on discussion. While it is important to point the reader in the right direction, obviously, I also believe that it is elementary that the reader understands why they are choosing that talent, or that glyph. Why one stat is more important than the other, or why an enchantment is more viable than another one. The structure above is only a suggestion though, so you do not need to adhere to it if you want your guide to stay pinned here. 

 

Making this guide official poses a greater challenge. You might have noticed that the other (non-class) PvP guides are published in a subsection of the forum and not on the official site. This is the best I can offer to you, and I will only move it there if you want it to be there and only when Damien, Vlad and I feel that the guide is ready for "publishing". If you want it to appear in the menu above, you need to discuss that with Damien directly. But we are not there yet by any means, and I only mention this because you have used the word official.

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Hello.

First, good guide, enjoyed reading it. smile.png

 

About the stat priority, what I always miss (but maybe that's just me) if people mention stat priorities they don't mention how much more important a stat is compared to the next stat in line. For instance, I don't expect the difference in importance between Intellect and Haste is equal to the difference in importance between PvP Power and Mastery. Or is it?

I hope you understand what I mean.

 

Could you maybe elaborate a bit on that if possible? smile.png

Edited by Polysprocket

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I was just passing by looking for something in particular and I was curious if someone was giving proper information to anyone curious about PvP, unfortunately this guide is VERY wrong and suffice to say it's very frustrating when people try to help a community by giving it all the wrong information especially something as delicate as mage PvP. 

 

To start: 

 

STAT PRIORITIES:

 

Hit (6%) > Haste (as much as possible) > Mastery (if it has haste on a piece, you should be reforging the rest into this) > everything else should be ignored, you want the most haste possible and the rest goes into mastery.

 

SKILLS: 

 

 

Tier1:

spell_fire_burningspeed.jpg Blazing Speed - Good in specific situations. This works extremely well when trying to kite melee. 
spell_nature_enchantarmor.jpg Presence of Mind - Best option for almost all cases, will go into detail later on how to use properly
spell_mage_iceflows.jpg Ice Floes - Ignore
 
Tier 2:
spell_mage_temporalshield.jpg Temporal Shield - Only option in this tier, this is the most iconic mage ability at the moment and proper timing of this can result and not having to use CDs, more on this later
spell_ice_lament.jpg Ice Barrier - Ignore, easily purged and it's absorbtion is mediocre at best in arena
inv_elemental_primal_fire.jpg Flameglow - Nerfed into the ground, it's almost useless in comparison to barrier and temp. 
 
Tier 3:
spell_frost_ring-of-frost.jpg Ring of Frost - Recommended. Most used talent.
ability_mage_frostjaw.jpg Frostjaw - Only picked by fire mages to setup for Deep Freeze.
spell_frost_frostward.jpg Ice Ward - Extremely good vs warriors and ww monks, tied with blazing speed (T1 talent) and melee have a rough time touching you at all. 
 
Tier 4:
spell_frost_wizardmark.jpg Cold Snap - Only option. w/ out 2 blocks in the current meta game you are sol
spell_fire_rune.jpg Cauterize - Never use this. 
ability_mage_greaterinvisibility.jpg Greater Invisibility - REALLY NEVER USE THIS.
 
Tier 5:
spell_mage_nethertempest.jpg Nether Tempest - If you like getting all the cc you just worked really hard for getting broken by your opponent walking past his healer this is the option for you
spell_mage_frostbomb.jpg Frost Bomb - Nerfed into the ground, good luck getting it off vs. warriors.
ability_mage_livingbomb.jpg Living Bomb - Only option. Great single target (20k ticks) and doesn't break cc. Lower GCD so it's amazing for tapping groundings.
 
 
Tier 6:
spell_shadow_detectlesserinvisibility.jp Incanter's Ward Only option, the shield is easy to break so the dmg modifier is easy to achieve even with small dots/diseases, also the buff lasts longer then the cd meaning in 100%+ uptime
spell_arcane_arcane03.jpg Invocation - Negatory, you will RARELY get a chance to hardcast evo in someone's face and if they have a brain they will kick it and you won't be able to blink/poly
spell_mage_runeofpower.jpg Rune of Power If you like standing still eating all the damage possible, this one's for you wink.png
 
 
IDK how to link stuff like you have so i apologize for stealing your icons and what not, as far as glyphs are concerned they are as follows
 
 
GLYPHS: 
 
Major: 
Deep Freeze - mandatory, having your deep on the gcd can and will result in your opponent, either getting of your frost orb or out of your line of sight. This is extremely detrimental to your damage and control.
 
Polymorph - as a majority this is also mandatory, almost every class you will play with has some form of dot, mage is ALL about control and your biggest control spell is polymorph. If your polymorph breaks as a result of a dot remaining on a target that you are trying to peel off your teammate or for control on the healer to score a kill, you could potentially lose the game because of this.
 
Armors - again as a majority this is also mandatory. Melee classes are very prevalent in arena atm, having 9% more physical reduction on molten armor can be absolutely huge. This is frequently swapped out for glyph of Ice Block vs. casters. 
 
Ice Block - the primo overpowered glyph vs casters, when block is used properly vs casters it can either make you impossible to kill for 3 seconds or unpeelable for the same amount of time. 
 
 
Minor:
 
All of these are completely irrelevant and are just flavor. 
 
 
spell_nature_polymorph.jpg Polymorph- Important: Don't use this spell on targets that are already injured, because they will regenerate at a much faster rate than normal when polymorthed. 
 
^ that couldn't be more wrong, there's VERY many times that someone could even have 100k hp and you will polymorph them in order to engage a swap, IE: rmd (rogue, mage, priest) vs lsp (lock, elemental shaman, hpally) > rmp opens on the lsp's holy pally, there's a sap on the lock in order to stop howl of terror and shadowfury, and there's an chastise on the elemental shaman to stop his aswell, the rmp blows a decent amount of cooldowns and forces the pally to bubble the priest uses md to negate the pallys bubble, depending on the situation and the fact that the pallys teammates are now coming out of cc they are now able to peel the rmp the pally will generally get away at this point (all good), pom poly now goes on the hpally (even though he is at near death) and the rmp swaps onto the elemental shaman. As you can see PvP is very complex and there's a million ways to counteract EVERYTHING. 
 
I could sit here and write all day on proper mage play and how you should be doing damage, correcting your mistakes, finding every flaw and nitpicking it till your perfect but the truth is people don't learn this game like that. It's countless failed matches, it's your partners noticing something you didn't and you having an open mind to fix those mistakes, it's going as far as streaming privately or publicly and going back and watching vods of things you did wrong. Every action calls for a reaction out of your opponent, learn everything about every class and what they can do in that instant to stop what you're doing then take it a step further and think of how you can counteract them counteracting you (be 2-3 steps ahead, i'm doing this and the only logical thing they should do is this so in reaction to that i'm going to do this (see the complexity?!)) and you will become successful. 
 
What i can tell you is proper openers:
 
if you are playing a caster comp with locks being the exception (you cannot invis out of the gates playing with a lock, your job except for on RoL, and Tol'vir is to stop the opposing team stopping your lock casting gateway, you do this by running on your mount and pet nova'ing the dps): 
 
Invis > position yourself so you are in a good spot to ideally hardcast a sheep on the healer and immediately damage the dps > pet nova dps > frozen orb > deep the kill target > if the opposing healer is going to be hit by your orb, regardless of them being in sheep here you use CS on the healer if they are not being hit by orb ignore this > at this point ideally both of your trinkets have procced and you have 2 fof and 1 ffb proc > alter time > unload your procs into deep > help from your teammates with cc'ng your healer here is ideal, if not and they are no longer in frozen orb or never were you re-sheep > continue to do damage with your procs if possible > 3rd sheep is here and you have exhausted your cds and cc at this point. 
 
Onto melee comps!:
 
BE AS MONGO AS POSSIBLE, lol, but really, do it. Run into their face if you are
 
with a warrior, pet nova > orb > deep > pom sheep healer > alter > unload.
 
If you are with a rogue it's usually Sap healer > Open kill target (ALL of your damage comes from cheap shot modifiers when playing with a rogue) > Orb > alter > spam procs, but save 1 fof before you go back in time for deeping the healer off of sap > alter back spam procs > CS healer (should've trinketed so you should be aiming to cs as that happens) >  pom sheep healer > spam more damage
 
 
Hope this helped, cbf atm to go over EVERYTHING. Just remember, play games, HAVE FUN, learn from your mistakes, and mage IS CONTROL. bye bye. 
 
 
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@Polysprocket:

If you are looking at the reforge pane, just reforge the lowest priority stat to the highest priority stat. eg. if you can reforge Critical Strike: if there is an option to reforge into Haste, you take it, if not you chose the next best stat.

As for the weights of each one (AskMrRobot setup) you can select the "(PvP: Default)" option. Note it prefers Mastery over Crit, you can swap their values.

 

@Exec:

This guide is generally targeted for people starting with Random Battlegrounds. For now I just want people discussing the Talents, Glyphs and spell combos. If they give some great advice or tips, I will add them to the first post. An arena guide would take vasts amount of time to create due to the different compositions and needs to be written by someone who has lots of experience in their arena comp.

 

Stat Priority: I would generally prefer having ~25% Critical Strike since then you can be sure that your spell_frost_frostblast.jpgIce Lance will crit. Note that when wearing a full Prideful set, your Critical Strike is already at 30% and then you can reforge to Haste/Mastery.

 

I would really recommend the Evocation glyph in battlegrounds since mages lack heals. In arena, you should only use Evocation when you are Line of Sight (LoS) and away from opponents since they can interrupt you.

inv_glyph_majormage.jpgGlyph of Deep Freeze isn't needed for LoS issues in Battlegrounds since the fights are mostly in open grounds. 

inv_glyph_majormage.jpgGlyph of Armors is definitely a yes when facing physical damage classes.

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      While we have a strong core that are committed to giving up their social lives from August 27th, we need more bodies to throw on the pile. That’s where you come in! Cyrus is an 'old school' MMO guild, and we are looking for members who want to become part of a greater community, who want to put the effort in and earn their achievements rather than get carried.
      We are looking for intelligent, active and friendly players to join our ranks. In World of Warcraft Classic, we are hoping to create a successful guild with outstanding organisation, solid progression and a shared objective. We want dedicated and reliable players who are in it for the long haul, who will not quit at the first or second hurdle, and will hold out for the payoff that such a team of players deserve. No elitism, no egos, and plenty of patience, reality and understanding. Ok, maybe a little bit of elitism!
      Members should take the time to learn their class and skills, and how they can best benefit their guild teams. Being an excellent individual player is great, but it is far more important to be an excellent team player, to follow instructions, and to know when to stop joking around, focus, and stop standing in the lava! Your goals should be that of the guild as a whole, not of yourself.
      Members are required to use Discord and have a clear, working microphone. We welcome members from all over the world, however we do ask that in guild chat and Discord English is used at all times.
       
      WHAT WE CAN OFFER
      Cyrus is an experienced, focused, progression-based guild for mature, skilled and team-orientated players. We offer Discord voice communications with a mostly family-friendly atmosphere, as well as our own website which is used to organise pretty much everything we do. We have a long-established leadership who is committed to getting the most out of our members and ensuring everyone is working towards their own and the common goals of the guild.

      Guild levelling PvP event in Rift. If you haven't experienced being in a really great guild before, get it right for WoW Classic!
      We have a strong community spirit, and thanks to our successful recruitment in previous games, a very welcoming attitude towards new members of any experience level so long as they are prepared to put the time in. We do not form cliques, and we do not favour members based on their time or rank within the guild.
      While Cyrus’ main objective will be clearing raid content, we are a guild steeped in the rich tradition of PvP and as such, you can expect organised Battlegrounds and World PvP nights. Our current plan is to raid two evenings per week, provisionally on Wednesdays and Sundays.
       
      HOW TO APPLY
      If this sounds like your kind of guild, then please check out our website, read our Guild Code, and feel free to apply on our forums. Please also feel free to include any questions you may have with your application.
      Thanks for reading!
    • By Drin
      Hi everyone. So I've read the guide on fire mage here on Icy-veins and got some questions related to single target rotation. First I'd like to ask about the meteor. It is mentioned that meteor should be used with Rune of Power which is fairly easy to do since Rune of Power is always ready when Metor is off cooldown. However It's also mentioned that Meteor should always be available when Combustion comes off cooldown. Now Combustion has a 2 min cooldown and meteor has 45 sec cooldown. I can use meteor twice while Combustion is on cooldown. However If I use Meteor twice , It is on cooldown when Combustion is ready. Should I wait for Combustion and not cast Meteor on the second time until Combustion is ready?
      Second what I'd like to ask is about Combustion after the opener. Its mentioned that I need a hot streak before I pop It. I fish for Pyros by casting Fireball until I get a crit and then use Fire Blast. However when I get an Hot streak I'm already mid-casting Fireball. Should I cancel the cast and cast Rune of Power or should I let that Fireball hit and immediately after start casting Rune of Power?
      It's also mentioned that I need to have a Fire Blast charge always ready before going in Combustion phase. Should I save up a charge and ignore the Heating Ups I get regardless and hope for Fireball to crit twice or basically wait for Fire Blast to get another charge?
      Thanks 🙂
    • By GuyNoodle
      INTRODUCTION:
      Laid back bunch of people with a serious ambition to get stuff done without the bad kind of drama. Making sure that with a strong leadership: raiding, pvp, loot distribution and behind the scenes work will be as streamlined as possible so that you, as a member, can focus on your leisure time being pleasant. Building a great community is our main focus and we think this should be a core value for every guild.
      EXPECTATIONS:
      A positive mature mindset. No SJW's or snow flakes High raid attendancy +-90%. We understand IRL sometimes stands in the way but don't become the person that makes the raid go "WHAT, AGAIN?" Don't go rogue without notice for signed up events Self-sufficiency. Learn raids beforehand, show up prepared (flasks etc) and researching your class Able to receive and give criticism No elitism Decent English, both writing and speaking Discord + mic. Push-to-talk during raids Patience during raids OFFERING:
      Strong and experienced leadership Transparency in guild related matters DKP system for loot. Loot council is still on the table Main focus lies on PVE - will schedule PVP events Streamlined events with low downtime RAID SCHEDULE:
      Tuesday/Thursday/Sunday 20:30 - 23:00 server time Two raids a week once we're on farm status Invites start at 20:00 server time NEEDS:
      CLASSES: all except healing priests STAFF: Raid leader, Officers and Class leaders CONTACT:
      Socials are welcome too! More info? Questions? Want to apply? Please join our discord:
      http://discord.gg/brkMt32
    • By GuyNoodle
      Withdrawing this application: wrong forum.
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