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Whomever wrote this spec page needs work

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Whomever has written the frost mage section should get fired. First off, glacial spike yes can hit for nice damage but without trinks or procs, its barely good. Getting mastery to a decent level is a nightmare period. Lonely Winter is better for starters. With the crit/haste ratio it is better than having a pet that roams like its lost period. 2nd, thermal void is still a great spell all around. also getting to 33% crit and 25% for a standard frost mage, is no walk in the ocean. They need to get new writers and stop with the same old boring so called know it alls that need to relearn the game,

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Problem with guides is they exist in the vacuum they were wrote in - which is why most guides include directions to sim yourself across all options.

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On 5/16/2020 at 3:33 AM, undecided11 said:

Whomever has written the frost mage section should get fired. First off, glacial spike yes can hit for nice damage but without trinks or procs, its barely good. Getting mastery to a decent level is a nightmare period. Lonely Winter is better for starters. With the crit/haste ratio it is better than having a pet that roams like its lost period. 2nd, thermal void is still a great spell all around. also getting to 33% crit and 25% for a standard frost mage, is no walk in the ocean. They need to get new writers and stop with the same old boring so called know it alls that need to relearn the game,

Glacial Spike was the talent of choice even at the beginning of the expansion, prior to Flash Freeze existing, or stacking Mastery at all. Seems perfectly usable without gear to me. It's only gotten buffed since then.

Lonely Winter is better for non-Glacial Spike variants due to those having the majority of their damage centered around Ice Lance. It does sweet *filtered* all for Glacial Spike, whereas Bone Chilling increases both the Icicle contribution and base damage of the spell, in addition to being better on AoE in general due to Orb/Blizzard increases.

I'm unsure what Crit/Haste ratio you're talking about. The pet doesn't roam, it sits where it first comes into combat until it is out of range. The only times it might be weird is when you need to do a terrain skip, which dismissing your pet isn't unique to Frost.

Thermal Void is fine, but sub-optimal. The fact that it is easier to play, which isn't exactly a high bar given noIL exists, is why it got listed under the "Easy" section.

I have no idea where you're pulling these numbers from. Clearly 33% Crit is talking about the Shatter cap, but no where in the guide is that listed as a mandatory thing to get, just a note about why it will fall off at some point. Most people playing Frost right now are stacking Mastery to the exclusion of all else, and I personally haven't had higher than about 27% Crit the entire expansion.

 

Could I have explained absolutely every possible variant of Frost? Sure. Would it be confusing and essentially necessitate 3-5 entire guides? Yes. The fact is, people come looking for guides on how to play, usually as a starting point. Generally you should aim them towards the best playstyle, and that so happens to be Glacial Spike this expansion. The fact that I have left the Orb build notes up at all is probably a mistake, but it seems every week or so I get a DM about it, so it stays for now. The guide is up to date with the current theory behind the spec and optimal way to play.

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