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Core members of the Method raid team have reformed under a different name.

Echo is a new guild formed by ex-Method raiders. In a Twitter video titled "A New Chapter Begins", they revealed their guild roster, which includes Clickz, Deepshades, Fleks, Fragnance, Gingi, Grim, Jeath, Justwait, Klaus, Kuriisu, Kush,  Lørgok, Meeres, Mini, Naowh, Scripe, Narcolies, Nnoggie, Perfecto, Philwestside, Potter, Pottm, Revves, Rogerbrown, Rycn, Zaelia, Swagster, and Xerwo.

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Can anyone provide a complete account of the Method incident? I have my concerns about supporting the same group of people under a simple re-brand, but I also don't know the whole story.

 

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36 minutes ago, durdyenglish said:

Can anyone provide a complete account of the Method incident? I have my concerns about supporting the same group of people under a simple re-brand, but I also don't know the whole story.

 

A simple google search will give you some answers.

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21 minutes ago, Vindir said:

A simple google search will give you some answers.

Let's assume I've done that. From what I gather, it appears the entire Method organization was complicit. I was hoping to glean any additional, potentially insider, information as to why this new guild should or should not have my support.

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1 hour ago, durdyenglish said:

Let's assume I've done that. From what I gather, it appears the entire Method organization was complicit. I was hoping to glean any additional, potentially insider, information as to why this new guild should or should not have my support.

From what I've read, it wasn't the first time Josh was accused, at least their explanation was that they have believed he has been "cleared" last time. Although previous case wasn't brought to light like this one, so in a way it does make them seem complicit. A lot points to the fact that at least some of their members have been well aware of what was going on, yet they didn't report it. As for one of their former CEOs, Sascha, I think he is still under investigation, but didn't find any update on this case.

Well, hopefully they are really clear this time. Otherwise name Echo may turn out to be rather ironic, like echoes of the past, catching up to them.

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1 hour ago, Arcling said:

Well, hopefully they are really clear this time. Otherwise name Echo may turn out to be rather ironic, like echoes of the past, catching up to them.

Honestly, this irony was the first thing that came to mind. Maybe a name that implied a more forward-looking philosophy...

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first thing that popped in my head when i saw this was THUNDERCATS HO!!!

8 hours ago, Stan said:

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Core members of the Method raid team have reformed under a different name.

Echo is a new guild formed by ex-Method raiders. In a Twitter video titled "A New Chapter Begins", they revealed their guild roster, which includes Clickz, Deepshades, Fleks, Fragnance, Gingi, Grim, Jeath, Justwait, Klaus, Kuriisu, Kush,  Lørgok, Meeres, Mini, Naowh, Scripe, Narcolies, Nnoggie, Perfecto, Philwestside, Potter, Pottm, Revves, Rogerbrown, Rycn, Zaelia, Swagster, and Xerwo.

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9 hours ago, durdyenglish said:

Can anyone provide a complete account of the Method incident? I have my concerns about supporting the same group of people under a simple re-brand, but I also don't know the whole story.

 

This was exactly my first thought too. I re-read Sco's Twitlonger post on the matter and he referred to "management" multiple times when Method made certain decisions regarding MethodJosh. Yet, he never said which members were part of the management group. Sco, like a great leader, has taken public responsibility and stepped back but he's the only member of Method that I've seen do that. 

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I saw the twitter letter followed by uploads on Youtube about the events surrounding Method.  Any form of pedophilia or sexual harassment is wrong and can not be taken lightly in this day in age with the "Me Too" Movement being prevalent world wide.  

I can understand that several of these players were clueless and left in the dark with what their management circle was doing behind their back during the world first races.  This I empathize; nothing is worse than just being guilty by association over the actions of others and you had zero idea what was going on.

But this will have unwanted negative implications for this new guild.  Even though it's a new guild it still hosts a lot of the well known players that we seen streaming in the past.  They will be antagonized about the events of what Methodjosh and what their ex guild mates have done.   And unfortunately will be heavily scrutinized through Shadowlands by Blizzard, future sponsers, and even the playerbase when it comes to loaning items/gold to put forth for the next world first race.

Some people will turn the other cheek and will give them a chance others aren't that open minded by the possibility and would rather see these players to never again play WoW.

 

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Let us be real there,

Sco brought method from where it was to the first guild world in WoW and made it a trademark in the gaming industry.

Yet this was too big for one guy and he was supported by many. His guildmates for the WoW progress but also management people for the company Method. (His borther is CFO while he is CEO for isntance).

TL;DR for the josh case: Maybe not everyone knew but the small circle of raiders around Sco knew this perfectly.

Josh could be consider as a bad guy and even borderline phedophile but no official complaints were filled to make Josh responsible for his actions in face of the law.

Everything was decided around Twitter drama.

Personnally, I decided to unsub from Twitch accounts of the people leaving Method just for the drama. The reason is that they left the boat first to avoid the backlash just based on the twitter drama without waiting actual facts or comments from Josh or Sco.

In addition, Gingi and Naow rebranded the Method EU MDI team to Wunderbar just to complete the championship waiving completely the support given to them by the Method organization.

If they think that it only take a group of people to be world first or a gaming brand and trademark and that they made Method. Maybe, it is not Method that made them after all. Good ! I will be happy for them to go over that crisis.

But I keep on thinking that there is a lot of work put by Sco that is destroyed overnight and that there is still a bit of hypocrisy from people in the new roster.

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what did you think? I dont know the whole story, but i knew they where going to form a new guild and ye let them. I am not going to support them because what happend in method was everybody's fault of the core raiders. If the WF is more importand then some allegations against a team member *filtered* that.

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2 hours ago, Mohawkward said:

Let us be real there,

Sco brought method from where it was to the first guild world in WoW and made it a trademark in the gaming industry.

Yet this was too big for one guy and he was supported by many. His guildmates for the WoW progress but also management people for the company Method. (His borther is CFO while he is CEO for isntance).

TL;DR for the josh case: Maybe not everyone knew but the small circle of raiders around Sco knew this perfectly.

Josh could be consider as a bad guy and even borderline phedophile but no official complaints were filled to make Josh responsible for his actions in face of the law.

Everything was decided around Twitter drama.

Personnally, I decided to unsub from Twitch accounts of the people leaving Method just for the drama. The reason is that they left the boat first to avoid the backlash just based on the twitter drama without waiting actual facts or comments from Josh or Sco.

In addition, Gingi and Naow rebranded the Method EU MDI team to Wunderbar just to complete the championship waiving completely the support given to them by the Method organization.

If they think that it only take a group of people to be world first or a gaming brand and trademark and that they made Method. Maybe, it is not Method that made them after all. Good ! I will be happy for them to go over that crisis.

But I keep on thinking that there is a lot of work put by Sco that is destroyed overnight and that there is still a bit of hypocrisy from people in the new roster.

So much wrong in this post. First of all, you assume that people you don't even know (old method raiders) knew everything that went on with Josh. That's an assumption that nobody but they themselves know the answer to. There were official complaints about Josh because there was an actual police investigation, which failed to find anything (hence why he wasn't kicked from the guild back then and why the people in Method believed Josh when he said he was innocent - they thought it was all an act, like 90% of the people who ever watched Josh's streams did). The raiders were the last ones to leave Method after all the affiliated streamers and content creators, so they were not first to jump the boat to avoid backlash (they got plenty of backlash on their streams and twitter - and still are getting toxic trolls harassing them on twitch). The only reason Sco has not left is because he wants to attempt to rebuild it, but nobody else thinks that is possible now after what has happened (and the ongoing Sacha situation).

The Method brand was stained so of course the EU and NA MDI teams could not perform under that banner. People keep putting the raiders in with the Org, the Method guild was not the same as the org. No player in the raid team was involved in any management aspect of Method, apart from Sco. They were just raiders playing a game. The new guild is not an org, it is simply a guild for Scripe and co to continue raiding in.

I feel really bad for Sco, but Method was his guild and org, he is the one everyone associates with the name so of course he will get 90% of the backlash. He's already said he should have done more, not let the Josh situation get to where it did, but can't change that now. Hopefully after the dust settles he can move forward with his life somehow. Maybe when the vultures of the cesspit that is Twitter find a new person to harass as a hivemind of justice and all knowing.

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On 7/27/2020 at 2:18 AM, GBeast said:

who's that pokemon?!?

it's Charizard!!

I like him, but the reason is obvious: he appears everywhere. To the exclusion of other starters, there are so many forms. He is undoubtedly well-liked, but they keep giving him crap, such as forms and representation, and people are getting sick of it.

If they don't include the other two, starters in particular who just keep being represented are annoying. The backlash would have been directed at gen 1 and not zard if blastoise and venausaur had a g form.

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