smartiejoe

Few Questions about DK tanking heading for Heroic Progression

Sign in to follow this  

8 posts in this topic

Hi All,

 

My raid team comfortably gets through 13/14 normal bosses a week, and the majority of the team are 14/14 normal and 2/14 hc. I have just joined this team and heading towards a garrosh kill and then heroic progress I was wondering how I should go about optimising my character.

 

Here is the armory link: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/terokkar/Jo%C3%A9/simple

(I know there's some dps pieces, I used to be dps and have been unlucky with tank drops)

 

I wasn't sure whether to go for a higher mastery build, stay as I am, or less mastery and more parry.

 

 

Also another question, I struggle with AoE Aggro. On fights like Garrosh in the first phase and the waves of adds in Galakras and Spoils, I sometimes struggle to keep aggro on them all, any tips?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Your parry is impressively high for your item level, and your mastery isn't too bad either. I'd keep everything the way you have it now. The only thing I would recommend changing is your runeforge. I'd use Fallen Crusader over sword shattering. Sword shattering would be best if the parry contributed to riposte, but it doesn't. Fallen crusader gives you about 2.5% parry when it proc's, plus self healing and extra damage. You'll probably also want to eventually replace your Rook's talisman and keep it for situational fights where you can use it for aoe mitigation. double stam trinkets are sort of overkill. you'd be best with a Thok's tailtip or even Skeer's or Iron Juggernaut focusing crystal.

 

Aoe aggro is a problem for every tank on those fights. good dps can easily out threat us in the first 5 seconds. The best advice I can really give you is; Death and Decay, Dancing rune weapon whenever you can for initial threat, and spam blood boil until you know you have solid aggro on everything.

 

Typically it will be the same 2-3 people in your raid that are always pulling threat off you. for me it's been a few well geared shamans and warlocks that give me the biggest threat issues. If you're finding its always the same people you can also try making /assist macros for those people to make it easier to taunt off them. a Shaman for example will almost always pull the guy they're targeting while spamming chain lightning, not one of the ones being chained.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Your parry is impressively high for your item level, and your mastery isn't too bad either. I'd keep everything the way you have it now. The only thing I would recommend changing is your runeforge. I'd use Fallen Crusader over sword shattering. Sword shattering would be best if the parry contributed to riposte, but it doesn't. Fallen crusader gives you about 2.5% parry when it proc's, plus self healing and extra damage. You'll probably also want to eventually replace your Rook's talisman and keep it for situational fights where you can use it for aoe mitigation. double stam trinkets are sort of overkill. you'd be best with a Thok's tailtip or even Skeer's or Iron Juggernaut focusing crystal.

 

Aoe aggro is a problem for every tank on those fights. good dps can easily out threat us in the first 5 seconds. The best advice I can really give you is; Death and Decay, Dancing rune weapon whenever you can for initial threat, and spam blood boil until you know you have solid aggro on everything.

 

Typically it will be the same 2-3 people in your raid that are always pulling threat off you. for me it's been a few well geared shamans and warlocks that give me the biggest threat issues. If you're finding its always the same people you can also try making /assist macros for those people to make it easier to taunt off them. a Shaman for example will almost always pull the guy they're targeting while spamming chain lightning, not one of the ones being chained.

 

Brilliant advice! Thank you! Yeah I'm still trying to get trinkets since switching from dps! So I'm kinda stuck with what I've got! :p 

 

It's always a warlock for me, and extremely skilled destro lock in 567ish gear, and a bit of a dps lover, he likes to top charts, even if it means snapping aggro :p

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Wow your parry is crazy for your ilvl it matchs my 573 blood deathknight almost 300 less. Yeah basicly what storm said i just wanted to comment more or less on how much parry you had for your ilvl

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Hi there!

I notice that you use full +320 parry inv_misc_gem_x4_rare_cut_red.jpgFlashing Primordial Ruby gemming, thus the high parry rating.

 

I want to ask, not only you but the community generaly, is that a viable choice for our beloved mastery-hungry class, or you are just using it because - as you said - you feel uncomfortable with your gear?

 

I personally find the 160Parry/Mastery inv_misc_gem_x4_rare_cut_orange.jpgFine Vermilion Onyx and the 160Mastery/120Stamina inv_misc_gem_x4_rare_cut_green.jpgPuissant Wild Jade Gems a better choice.

I rouglhy can say that you can gain about 50% increase in Mastery rating, and a 50k boost in your HealthPool with that gemming.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Health hardly matters once you break 800k and mastery just becomes useless at some points other then for like heroic thok is about the only case i can think of that mastery might be needed other was parry is fine and increases your dps a lot without losing hardly any survivability  

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Most DK's I know or have talked to are using an avoidance build now instead of mastery because of the higher dps from riposte. damage taken by the tank is rarely a make or break issue on most fights, and the extra dps can make a positive difference in many cases.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now

Sign in to follow this  

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

  • Similar Content

    • By Renkin
      <Fepix – Magtheridon> - Alliance  
      Sick of pugging, looking for heroic progression, wanting to get into the guild raiding scene or just want an active discord to have a laugh in? Fepix could be the guild for you! 
      Fepix is heroic raiding guild founded and run by a group of friends. Every Tier our main aim is to get curve and then to step into mythic and take down the earlier bosses there in a calm and casual environment. Although we always seek to progress and improve as players, we like to maintain a lightheartedness within our community. 
      We also hope to give guildies an introduction into guild raiding, or to just help them gear up in our weekly normal farm run.  
      Normal raiding: (20:00-23:00 realm time Friday) 
      Our normal runs have no requirements other than fairly relevant gear (910ish for normal antorus), the willingness to listen to and learn from the raid leader and the other experienced raiders there and a good sense of humor! Those that attend the normal runs have the ability to progress to the heroic team if they show the qualities we look for in a heroic raider. 
       
      Progression Raiding: (20:00-23:00 realm time Sunday and Monday) 
      For our Progression team, we look for:  
      Reliability - the ability to have high attendance to raids, to arrive promptly at raid time, and should something come up that would stop you attending, to let an officer know ahead of raid time. 
      Adaptability – the ability to learn from mechanical mistakes and to show a bit of initiative in encounters to make those small plays that go above the norm that could potentially aid in the raid's success. 
      A laid-back personality – the ability to remain calm when you make or others make mistakes.  
      An off spec – Although this isn't necessary, it will make you slightly more valuable to the raid if you can play an interchangeable role based on the attendance of that raid or the demands of the encounter. 
       
      We are always open to applications from heroic raiders, people wanting to get into the raiding scene for the first time or people just sick of pugging and wanting a community of people to do content with. 
      We are currently looking for a main or off healer as a priority as we look to start progressing mythic in the coming weeks. However this still means we are open to applications from all other specs and classes as well.
      We are hoping to bolster our raid team in preparation for BFA where we will continue with the same aims and system. 
       
      If you are interested in applying please message one of our recruiting officers on either discord or battle.net: 
      Summerset (Raid Leader): Battle.net: Meep#2725 / Discord: Renkin#7628 
      Codeded: Battle.net: Novice#2211 / Discord: Chucknorris30#5520 
      'Big Daddy' Chris (Guild Master) : Battle.net: Syconix#2181 / Discord: Syconix#7498 
       
      If you feel like watching one of our raids, Chris streams our heroic runs on: https://www.twitch.tv/syconix   - Come down and say hey! 
       
    • By tanksta1
      [H] Salvation (est.2007) is a progression raiding guild on US-Cenarion Circle/Sisters of Elune.
      Objective
      Salvation is actively searching and recruiting players for current heroic content. What we look to do in the short-term is recruit players and gear them in our farm content. Mythic + will be run as well since it serves as another outlet to gearing up. By doing this we prepare them for our long-term goal, Mythic Mode Progression.
      We are now 11/11H. We are currently searching for players to bolster our roster to 20 for Mythic Mode Progression.
      Recruiting for Antorus
      Tanks- closed. (can still apply we can always find a place for you.) Melee- Rogue x1, Ret Paladin x1 Ranged- Mages x2, Hunter x1-2, Warlock x1, Balance Druid x1-2 Healers- Resto/Ele Shaman x1, Holy Paladin x1

      ***Exceptional applicants can feel free to sign up even if we aren't recruiting your class/spec. Outstanding applications will always be considered.
      We are also accepting players that engage in social aspects of the WoW community such as leveling, PvP, questing, dungeon finding, roleplaying and other challenging activites. We provide monthly guild events. For example, the Tournament of Tiny Champions. It’s a pet battle tournament where guildies compete with each other using 3-6 of their mightiest level 25 tiny champions. We are expanding this extremely fun side of Salvation so that everyone can join in on some action and prizes!
      Raiding Schedule
      Our schedule is as follows. We push content three times a week for 3 hours at a time starting at 6:00pm to 9:00pm PST Tuesdays, Thursdays, and Mondays. 
      Our Raiding Requirements
      You must be able to raid all three nights. Be on time for raid. Lateness will not be tolerated. Be able to play the optimal specialization for Legion raid encounters. (this requirement is more towards the pure dps classes and hybrid classes in some special cases) Come prepared with the knowledge of the Legion raid bosses and mechanics. Have Discord app installed and a working microphone to communicate. Discord browser and phone app is also acceptable. (Note: Some of these requirements will change as time goes on.)
      How to Join
      Please sign up on our guild website at:
      www.salvationcc.guildlaunch.com Want to reach me in game? On Discord? Questions or concerns? Hit me up at:
      Battletag: Zanngetsu#1255 Discord: Tankstâ2329  
    • By Slurriicane
       
      Take your talents to SouthBeach!
       
      We are a relatively new guild filled with a bunch of players from various backgrounds just looking to have a good time playing the game we all love together.
       
      We are not a hardcore guild but we do like to take our raid nights seriously and try and progress as much as we can. The guild is ran by several mythic raiders from previous expansions who are either returning to the game, or just looking for something a little less strenuous and have some fun with it.
       
      Although we do like to have fun we have a few rules when it comes to the raid:
       
      - Show respect to everyone else in the guild
      - Come prepared on raid nights, Flasks and Feasts will be provided
      - Listen to our raid leaders and don't be afraid to ask questions if you are unsure of anything, we are more than willing to help.
      - Have a good attitude!
       
      *But most importantly, have a good time!
       
      We have people online all through-out the week doing various things and just hanging in discord, we want you to be part of the community and not be afraid to pop into discord and just shoot the breeze.
       
      Friday: 9:00pm - 12:00pm Server Time (Central)
      Saturday: 9:00pm - 12:00am Server Time (Central)
       
      If you have any questions contact me at RicFlair#11116 (Bnet) or another officer at tjamorrow#1711(Bnet)
    • By Deadly
      Good day people of the forums!
      Heavy Metal Gaming (Kel'thuzad) is a 2 day, casual guild looking to recruit a few more to round out our roster, and looking ahead to Battle for Azeroth.
       
      Although we are casual, the roster is made up of exceptional players, and we are looking for like-minded/skilled players that are vocal in discord, and engage with the rest of the guild.
       
      The guild and group is made up of friends that have been gaming together for 10+ years. Many of us previously raiding in Top 50 guilds during TBC, WoTLK, and Cata.
      For Legion we are AOTC for all raid content.
      We are looking for:
       
      DPS
      Ranged:
      Hunter
      Warlock
      Mage
      Shadow Priest
      Ele Shaman
       
      Melee:
      Ret Paladin
      Enhancement Shaman
       
      Raid Times
      Tuesday & Wednesday 7-10PM MST
      If you are interested in a laid back guild, but still want to crush raids please respond to this thread, or feel free to add me:
      in game: Deadly#1230
      Or on discord: Deadly#2239
    • By Flogency
      Hey guys! 
      Kings of Winter are looking to start raiding again after a break at a casual and steady pace! We are a small, close-knit guild at the moment and we are looking for reliable and dedicated players willing to do current raid content on heroic difficulty in a friendly and a relaxed atmosphere. It will take us some time to form because we have just started recruiting but we'd be happy to have you if you are patient enough.
      That being said, we are also gladly accepting people who would just like to socialize and hang out, and also the players interested in PvP and regular guild keystone runs (as PvE is our main goal).
      The players we are looking for:
      -Players who are patient enough for the guild to develop and form
      -Friendly and mature
      -Dedicated, eager to improve and reliable raid attendance
      Rules and expectations:
      -Don't be a douche
      -Be 10-15 minutes online earlier, with consumables (at one point they will be provided by the guild)
      -Know tactics
      -Subdue absence in raids to a minimum
      -Let the guild know when you cannot attend the raid 
      -If you aren't very skilled it is alright as long as you are eager to improve, the guild will be glad to help you out if you can help yourself :)
      -Join voice communications is a must in raids
      Guild goal:
      We aim at doing current raid content at the Heroic difficulty, but start preparing in Normal while we gear up and get familiar with the raid and it's tactics. We also seek to have players do an occasional keystone run for some gear outside the raid; all that in a friendly environment :)
      So far we have raided 2 nights a week with a 3rd casual/ fun run. Raiding schedule is yet to be decided with the guild, as we are starting anew.
      Last but not least:
      Forming a raid team and developing the guild in general will be a slow and steady process, and for that reason we are looking for dedicated, patient players as ourselves while we form up. 
      I really hope I will hear from you guys soon and that you will join our small and friendly community whether you wish to raid or just socialize, as the game will be more fun for everyone when there's company!
      My btag is Flogency#2183 should you decide to contact me :)