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The Revendreth Elevators Are Mysterious Places and Can Be Hard to Conquer

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The "elevator boss" running gag got a lot more serious in Revendreth, at least with War Mode on, as there have been some existential fights happening over there for a while now. There's also a lot of mystery surrounding how they actually work, as the "mechanism" that seems to power them might just be a cover.

Pavle decided to take possession of one of Revendreth's elevators and charge a fee to use it, the fee being your life.

That poor, poor paladin! This isn't anything new, of, course, as players have been using the elevators for some damn good PvP since launch!

But it's not just the players and their PvP antics that are troublesome, as the elevators themselves, like all of Revendreth, just don't seem quite... right.

Meanwhile the LITERAL elevator boss is probably just standing there shaking his head at all the carnage and malfunctions:

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1 hour ago, ylcard said:

IMO that's not PVP, that's griefing

I fully disagree with you here. The pally CHOSE to be on a PvP realm and made no attempt to prevent himself being knocked off. No bubble, no HoJ. NOTHING. Some people sit in warmode for the extra rewards but feel that fighting other players is "griefing"

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1 hour ago, ylcard said:

IMO that's not PVP, that's griefing

I have slowly come to the understanding that there is no 'real' PvP. There're no honourable duels, because what're the odds that your gear is the same, that their class doesn't have an advantage in the situation, etc? All you can do is just try to kill other dudes in ways that are A) Funny or B) Not Funny.

This is funny. 😉

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2 hours ago, ylcard said:

IMO that's not PVP, that's griefing

I have to disagree here. He made a fair move using pretty basic game mechanics. Throwing people off cliffs is something that Blizzard has always acknowledged as a valid way to kill them. There are even some NPCs that reference it; I recall one in Pandaria who said "Do not make me Mind Control you off a cliff" when you clicked them enough times.

Not to mention that this isn't anywhere close to the most obnoxious thing you could do to someone in PvP.

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You can choose to turn on War Mode or play on a PVP realm and griefing will still be a thing. I know it's not an easy concept to define and apply, but let's use some common sense here, when there's an actual fight between two people and one of them uses a mechanic such as this, it's fine, but when you dedicate your time to using that mechanic to annoy people.. that's griefing

Camping on your corpse also relies on a mechanic (resurrection at your corpse), and technically the "victim" can always just resurrect at a graveyard at a penalty, but camping is still griefing.

Point being.. it's annoying, it's not PVP.

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2 hours ago, ylcard said:

Point being.. it's annoying, it's not PVP.

I'm not sure, that's a hard and fast line though. Dying in PvP is always annoying. Dying to a dude who's properly geared when you're not is in no way griefing, but boy, it tilts me.

But you're right it's hard to define. Here's what I reckon is pretty clear:

  • Finding and killing a person randomly in a field is fine.
  • Hunting that person down repeatedly is not fine.
  • Preventing that person from doing something (even without deliberately hunting them; forcing them to fight you if they want to continue playing the game) is also not fine. 

And I think the videos tiptoe towards the last point. They're preventing others from using the elevator.

On the other hand, issuing a challenge to someone -- taunting them good-naturedly to come to their doom despite it being certain -- is surely also fine.

So it gets blurrier.

Now here's what I see: They're generally not attacking, just using knockback and stuff to set that up. In a way they're challenging you to find a way around it, something which the victims in the video (rather hilariously) usually fail to do. I think they could've gotten around if they'd been more clever more quickly. The guys bruteforcing the gauntlet by sacrificing somebody else made me laugh in particular.

Is devoting time to something like this griefing? Well, maybe, but then what if you just let the people who pass the test walk away like the dude in the second video? Isn't that more of a fun challenge?

Is a guy in top gear murdering others at the elevator griefing? Is a group who decides to 'establish dominance' there griefing?

I dunno, But I think those examples are way less funny. Things become excusable because they're funny. And I think this is the sort of thing that can be funny for everyone provided they look at it in the right way. I think it's the sort of situation which is way more fun than a lot of ordinary engagements which can be tilted by gear, class, positioning, etc. 

It's a wavy line. But I think both views are important to pay attention to. It's funny, but it can be overly annoying. Generally, the dudes in the videos all seem to be conducting themselves reasonably well to me. 

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like my wife always says when im abit salty because of other player: just walk to the next in and turn wm off.

i know you get 10% more stuff but if there realy is a player that can dominate you in in some way and you cant come arcross this just do it and i dont think this is griefing its a player that holds a narrow pass so the other faction cant use it in my head its a war tactict so aviod it by turning WARmode off 

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The 10% extra resource/gold is not worth it staying in WM.  Bit the bullet and turned WM off for this season knowing full well that several areas/zones will be hostile choke points as soon as you land.  Yeah it's open world PvP and just about anything can go but being delayed from doing world quests, grinding crafting materials, or even entering a dungeon/raid gets old quick.  Decided if I ever wish to PvP again I'll just queue up for a few BG's instead. 

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Another video from that "skilled" players that spent 30mins soloing tyrande, why do you bother posting such pointless topics.

 

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1 hour ago, Vyeres said:

Another video from that "skilled" players that spent 30mins soloing tyrande, why do you bother posting such pointless topics.

 

I didn't even notice it was from the same guy. Also I mostly posted it cos I wanted to show the elevator weirdness and bat.

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6 hours ago, Vyeres said:

Another video from that "skilled" players that spent 30mins soloing tyrande, why do you bother posting such pointless topics.

 

every time i see a comment like this saying this topic is lame or that topic dosnt deserv to be postet the same question pops up in my head: do you people pay money per topic that is postit here or do you realy think you are that importent that only topics you find interesting deserve to be postet

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