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Sylvanas Windrunner Official Defeat Cinematic in Sanctum of Domination

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Sylvanas has been taken down in the Sanctum of Domination which means we get to see the cinematic and find out what happens to her (and the rest)! It seems someone jumped the gun or leaked the unlisted cinematic, as no guilds seem to have cleared the raid, even on Normal so far.

As originally spotted by MrGM.

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Huh... Guess my hopes for Jailer not being a MWHAHAHA villian were too much.

Also, since the Arbiter seems to have dissapated, the machine of Death is *filtered*. Unless someone replaces her.

(Sigh) Someone...

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I think this is cool,, i was hoping Sylvanas will be still here. I'm just wondering how Tyrande will react on that 

i'm sick of the people who will whine just for sake of whining.

Let's see what happens next

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That is a much cooler look for the Jailor. Also, I love the last bit with him and Anduin. It's so cute. Come on, my son! Let's go end reality!

Sylvanas just hasn't been built up right to pay off now. Falls flat and feels absurd to me.

19 minutes ago, Teufel said:

Huh... Guess my hopes for Jailer not being a MWHAHAHA villian were too much.

Maybe this was what Sylvanas was hoping too. 😉

I think all we can hope for is that our mwhahaha villains have cool masks and aren't bald weirdos. Mission accomplished!

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1 minute ago, Halock said:

I think all we can hope for is that our mwhahaha villains have cool masks and aren't bald weirdos. Mission accomplished!

The look is fine, a proper Lich King and all (the hole is still bothering me), it's just I've picked up a familiar old game to pass the time before 9.1 and its villian is, much like Zovaal, was stripped of his (pentiful) characterization potential in favor of being "mwhahaha" guy who just wants to be a god ruling the world. 

Talk about an insult to injury now.

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19 minutes ago, Calysia said:

I hardly understood a word the jailer said!

REVERB

Watching it again just to pick up on that, his body language is good. A lot of it is stereotypical Warcraft, but other bits are nice. The little tilt of the head is great. 

Also, something which nags me: I wish they'd stop putting brand new magical effects into cinematics and making them significant. It's very hard to know whether you missed something. Is Sylvanas just throwing banshee bolts or is it some magic we've never even seen before!? Did Tyranda forget to eat her Weetabix or did Elune troll her? Did Zovaal give Sylvanas back her soul like we all think he did or did he... turn her into a death knight? Who knows. 

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So she's getting Kerrigan treatment, as Jaina and Thrall will likely spare her. Jailer didn't have much exposure and background besides "foolish mortals", he's pretty much written like Malthael or, even worse, Azmodan from Diablo.

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4 minutes ago, Arcling said:

So she's getting Kerrigan treatment, as Jaina and Thrall will likely spare her. Jailer didn't have much exposure and background besides "foolish mortals", he's pretty much written like Malthael or, even worse, Azmodan from Diablo.

I dare say Malthael had at least plausible reasons for the crap he did, rather than ego and being unsatisfied with the world getting to his head... or... whatever he has under that hood.

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Oh come on, a redemption for the mass murderer of the Night Elves and countless others? seriously? Blizzard, you are so highly predictable.

I know you are being told to do this, but this is getting tiresome.

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Ok, is Sylvannas just the dumbest "mastermind" in history or what?

Years she spends serving the jailor.    Unquestioningly sending legions of both horde and alliance to the maw undeserved to be used as soul fuel in torment.   Lich King treatment for Anduin.    Brought Thrall, Jaina, Baine and Anduin to the maw specifically to torment them (note that the Jailor didn't know of Anduin's powers yet).

And suddenly goes crapbananas at the word "Serve".    All she's been doing is serving for years.

And this Mastermind's genius play is to shoot an arrow at the jailor, whose size makes it the equivalent of a q-tip.    Imbued with his own power as he's now also armored to boot.    You know, instead of at least playing along, maybe quietly freeing anduin and escaping after some subtle sabotage or such?

Seriously this is just So. Very. Stupid.

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i did not think they could do worse then the Grom (from WoD) "redemption' arc but again Blizz has proven me wrong

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1 hour ago, Lithari said:

Oh come on, a redemption for the mass murderer of the Night Elves and countless others? seriously? Blizzard, you are so highly predictable.

I know you are being told to do this, but this is getting tiresome.

I'm not sure she'll get the kind of redemption arc you're thinking.  I believe Sylvanas (with her missing half back), will become hyper aware of what she did.  She'll have a meltdown in her cell, ask to do a youtube apology video to the nelves, and then probably serve probation to help beat Zovaal.  Also, she's now, like reeeeally conflicted and stuff, so that makes her more interesting?  Hopefully, her story will end with the expansion.

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3 hours ago, Migol said:

Ok, is Sylvannas just the dumbest "mastermind" in history or what?

Years she spends serving the jailor.    Unquestioningly sending legions of both horde and alliance to the maw undeserved to be used as soul fuel in torment.   Lich King treatment for Anduin.    Brought Thrall, Jaina, Baine and Anduin to the maw specifically to torment them (note that the Jailor didn't know of Anduin's powers yet).

And suddenly goes crapbananas at the word "Serve".    All she's been doing is serving for years.

And this Mastermind's genius play is to shoot an arrow at the jailor, whose size makes it the equivalent of a q-tip.    Imbued with his own power as he's now also armoured to boot.    You know, instead of at least playing along, maybe quietly freeing anduin and escaping after some subtle sabotage or such?

Seriously this is just So. Very. Stupid.

Sums up my impression of it exactly. So underwhelming. So nonsensical. If she suddenly decides she doesn't want to work for him any more because of the word 'serve' and not every other horrible thing he did, why doesn't he just force her like he did with Anduin? Why the stupid villain monologue and leaving the protagonists to kill her?

The Jailer's voice is so distorted I couldn't understand parts of the dialogue.

It's too much to hope that Bolvar and Jaina kill her, and I suppose it's too much to hope they will beat the excrement out of her and we next encounter her with her face stoved in and too swollen to see her silly blue eyes, which I assume is supposed to represent that he put the part of her that was sundered back and why she committed genocide and was smug and annoying, but was again completely anticlimactic as it was never established what it was and why she coveted it so much.

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3 hours ago, Migol said:

Ok, is Sylvannas just the dumbest "mastermind" in history or what?

Years she spends serving the jailor.    Unquestioningly sending legions of both horde and alliance to the maw undeserved to be used as soul fuel in torment.   Lich King treatment for Anduin.    Brought Thrall, Jaina, Baine and Anduin to the maw specifically to torment them (note that the Jailor didn't know of Anduin's powers yet).

And suddenly goes crapbananas at the word "Serve".    All she's been doing is serving for years.

And this Mastermind's genius play is to shoot an arrow at the jailor, whose size makes it the equivalent of a q-tip.    Imbued with his own power as he's now also armored to boot.    You know, instead of at least playing along, maybe quietly freeing anduin and escaping after some subtle sabotage or such?

Seriously this is just So. Very. Stupid.

I was going to go into a whole rage thing, but... just yes. Infinitely stupid. Stupidly written, stupidly planned. Stupid. It's not even about the redemption, I don't much care, but THAT was the TURNING POINT of YEARS of Sylvanas characterization and mass murdering insanity? GG WoW. GG.

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21 minutes ago, snap said:

Sums up my impression of it exactly. So underwhelming. So nonsensical. If she suddenly decides she doesn't want to work for him any more because of the word 'serve' and not every other horrible thing he did, why doesn't he just force her like he did with Anduin? Why the stupid villain monologue and leaving the protagonists to kill her?

The Jailer's voice is so distorted I couldn't understand parts of the dialogue.

It's too much to hope that Bolvar and Jaina kill her, and I suppose it's too much to hope they will beat the excrement out of her and we next encounter her with her face stoved in and too swollen to see her silly blue eyes, which I assume is supposed to represent that he put the part of her that was sundered back and why she committed genocide and was smug and annoying, but was again completely anticlimactic as it was never established what it was and why she coveted it so much.

That part makes sense, I actually liked the Jailer's play there. He doesn't need her anymore. At all. He punishes her by giving her her good soul back so she can suffer. He's not too upset about it either, he clearly expected it. Maybe the first good characterization for the Jailer ever.

But the rest? Pure dumpster fire.

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God this writing is so bad.  it's like the dung from a dung beetle, it's dung in it's purest form, complete and utter dung.

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9 hours ago, Migol said:

And this Mastermind's genius play is to shoot an arrow at the jailor, whose size makes it the equivalent of a q-tip.    Imbued with his own power as he's now also armored to boot.    You know, instead of at least playing along, maybe quietly freeing anduin and escaping after some subtle sabotage or such?

This! Why she couldn't just pretend to continue working for him, even if she didn't want to "serve" (although this is exactly what she was doing anyway 😅)? For someone who was supposedly doing a lot of stuff "behind the scenes" she suddenly gets angry and does something so stupid. Like, wouldn't she know that arrow can't stop the Jailer?

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14 hours ago, Calysia said:

I hardly understood a word the jailer said!

What, you don't understand the language of bass?

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14 hours ago, Arcling said:

So she's getting Kerrigan treatment, as Jaina and Thrall will likely spare her. Jailer didn't have much exposure and background besides "foolish mortals", he's pretty much written like Malthael or, even worse, Azmodan from Diablo.

And the Jailor doesn't even have nipple piercings!

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I really defended blizzards story telling for a long time
Even when people where unloading one of the most devastating shitstorm on blizzard over the bfa story
i still defended it and more i saw potential in it

but this is just ridiculous i mean really ofc she was suppose to serve i mean what did she do all the time?
she will get her redemption arc and i know i wont like it

i mean if she doesn't wanted her to die then just do the sargeras thing and imprision her that would be better then what it is to come
she will sacrifice herself or she will be forgiven in terms of taken atonement either way she will be redeemed ...

 

very unhappy about this so called twist but i guess after shadowlands it can only get better or ?

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8 hours ago, Starym said:

I was going to go into a whole rage thing, but... just yes. Infinitely stupid. Stupidly written, stupidly planned. Stupid. It's not even about the redemption, I don't much care, but THAT was the TURNING POINT of YEARS of Sylvanas characterization and mass murdering insanity? GG WoW. GG.

It's like what I said in another topic before. Their writers are notoriously writing themselves into a corner with no end-game. They're very clearly making it up as they go along, and then reach a point of "oh snap, how do we get out of this?"

 

"Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn’t stop to think if they should." -Dr. Ian Malcolm, Jurassic Park

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A few things to consider -

  • She didn't know Nathanos was dead, though the Jailer clearly would have with all souls coming directly to the Maw, she believed herself to be a sufficient partner to Zovaal's schemes that he would not do something like that
  • Working with Zovaal to break what she perceived as a flawed system is not the same as the echo of slavery she heard in "Serve" that reminded her of Arthas as the Lich King
  • We've known for some time that her soul was damaged and missing a portion, and most writers follow a duality split of morality when using this plot device. Like Uther, she cannot truly begin an afterlife until her soul is made whole, even if it means she goes and spends a few millennia in Revendreth
  • 'I never thought leopards would eat MY face,' sobs woman who voted for the Leopards Eating People's Faces Party.
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