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The traditional post-RWF winner interview has arrived and, as usual, it's a big one! Raider.IO talked to champions Echo about their win and covered many topics, including the future global release of raids, that dramatic moment when they realized 50% wasn't the end of the fight, the mid-pull hotfixed off-tank tactic and more.

Here are all the general question topics and a few highlights from the interview, but you should definitely head on over and check out the full thing.

Q: What were some of the best and worst moments of the race?

Scripe: From Soulrender progression until the Painsmith kill, I was quite tensed up. We kept throwing good tries very randomly whenever we were close to getting ahead. After the Painsmith kill, this feeling vanished completely, which also was the 2nd best moment of the race. The splits were also a point where we felt constant pressure, but Limit not performing well enough kept us calm. The other critical points were when we had the first sub 50% wipe and our bridge skipping tactic got hotfixed. I wasn't sure if it was killable anymore within that reset and going to next reset meant that we would lose the first kill 100%

Rogerbrown: The two times that felt most intense for me were:
  • When Limit caught up to us really fast by killing Kel’Thuzad and then reaching a similar % on Sylvanas. They were progressing at a really fast pace p1 and p2, which got us worried.
  • When we went to bed on Monday after our 46.4% try, hoping that Limit would not kill it until we woke up. Then in the middle of the night, I woke up to check my phone and saw they had a 45.6% wipe. Try sleeping after that lol.
Fleks: Easy. Going to bed at 3am and thinking to myself “yea Limit needs over 3% on the boss, it’s all good”. Then, checking Thd's stream and seeing a 45.8% wipe was easily the worst feeling. Needless to say, sleep did not happen that night.

The best part of the race was probably a combination of managing to pull through on Painsmith and getting ahead relatively early plus having our Kel’Thuzad approach work out perfectly in execution and saving lots of time there. Also, our timing of the splits in Mythic week.

Nnoggie: We had an insane streak of pulls on Sylvanas on the Saturday of Mythic week where we pushed her five times deep into p3 in the span of less than two hours. I have never experienced something like this before; the progress that we made in that night was magical. Everyone was on top of their game and the mood in Teamspeak was almost scarily focused.
 
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On Soulrender, we made the mistake of not going for the Normal run early to finish many shard sets for the DPS, which would have definitely helped with killing this boss faster. We had a 7% wipe on our fifth pull, which could have been a lucky kill with the shard sets. Fatescribe and Kel'thuzad were definitely one of our strong points during progression — our prep for these bosses was really good and we had a very low amount of wipes on these bosses.

 

Q: Can you please elaborate on how you felt when you got Sylvanas down under 50% the first time, realizing that the endpoint of the fight was most likely 45%?

Scripe: On one hand, we played the best that day by far than we ever have, which was incredible to be part of. On the other hand, I wasn't sure anymore if Sylvanas was killable within the reset, which was a horrible feeling. Complete emotional rollercoaster.

Rogerbrown: Well… I genuinely thought that the boss died at 50%, so as you saw I was literally shocked when that didn’t happen. It was very frustrating when that happened, but I am glad that it did. It gave us a chance to fully min-max everything in the fight and push the DPS, which always feels great to do at an endboss. Also, my face memes were worth the frustration by themselves ?


Q: When Complexity-Limit had their 0.6% wipes while you were sleeping, was there anyone in charge of checking on them and potentially even waking you up or similar? How did it feel waking up and watching their incredibly close pulls at the end? Was there any discussion about going all night the night before the kill?

Scripe: After last tier, we made the decision to not get influenced by the time difference and, no matter what, stick to the most promising plan regardless of if we lose the first kill or not. Also, I honestly did not expect Limit to get that close to the kill. I got many messages and heard from many raiders that they couldn't sleep properly. I stuck to the plan and slept like a baby. I was definitely worried that they might kill it, but panicking would have only led to more problems, so I'm glad we didn't panic.

Lastly, as they went to bed, Naowh said on voice comms that Limit was “done” and that we could focus on our own thing now. I was already doing that, so I wasn't aware they were done with the day and assumed along with a few others that they killed Sylvanas and were done with the tier. I was quite sad for a few minutes until I realized that they went to sleep, which was the biggest relief of the race. It meant we won.

Fleks: I personally did not sleep that night and watched the race instead, but there was no plan of waking the team up or similar. I do think a conversation about not going to sleep could have been a topic in retrospect, but that's about it.


I have to say this race, while a little short, was really one of the most exciting we've had since the advent of the streaming events, so if these two teams can continue to push each other to higher and higher performances, we'll have quite the races coming up as well!

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The Shards bit screwing the pros over too...ugh.     Who ever thought that shards and specific drops to go with them was a good idea for gearing?

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2 hours ago, Migol said:

The Shards bit screwing the pros over too...ugh.     Who ever thought that shards and specific drops to go with them was a good idea for gearing?

to be fair its not the first time you need specific gear was in classic for every raid

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7 minutes ago, N3ilo said:

to be fair its not the first time you need specific gear was in classic for every raid

If you mean fire/frost resist gear that was mostly crafted, in a very planned way.     This shard nonsense relies on random drops x2, and creates all sorts of gear hassles.   Particularly bad that they used slots the majority of classes already crafted legendaries on, forcing a recrafting on a ring or other "stat loss" slot. Etc etc

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