wow Bolvar Fordragon and Darion Mograine Talk About the Scourge in the Shadowlands Epilogue

[Stan 5,018]

Darion Mograine and Highlord Bolvar Fordragon have a conversation about the Scourge after the events of the Shadowlands Epilogue. This post contains spoilers.

The Scourge are posing a threat after the Helm of Domination was destroyed. Bolvar and Darion discuss Icecrown Citadel and the Scourge in their conversation. Bolvar wants to return to the Frozen Throne, but Darion tells him "Taelia needs a father", referring to their "Stay a While and Listen" from Zereth Mortis. Taelia was angry at Bolvar that he didn't tell her he was alive the whole time. Patch 9.2.5 also adds a new dialogue between the two that you will find here.

Below is a full transcript of the conversation between Bolvar and Darion:

Highlord Bolvar Fordragon: Without the Helm of Domination to control them, the Scourge roams leaderless. Nothing remains to temper their aggression. Darion Mograine: Indeed. The mightiest among them already vie for supremacy. Like vicious warlords in the wake of their king's death. Highlord Bolvar Fordragon: We cannot allow any of them to seize command and unite their forces. The Ebon Blade must remain vigilant. Darion Mograine: And so we shall. Though Azeroth may never truly be rid of the Scourge, we will keep them in check. You have my word. Highlord Bolvar Fordragon: Icecrown Citadel remains a seat of dark power. We must not let it fall into enemy hands. Perhaps I should return to-- Darion Mograine: No, Bolvar. Let the Frozen Throne sit vacant. The Knights of the Ebon Blade will safeguard the citadel in your stead. Taelia needs her father. Highlord Bolvar Fordragon: Darion... thank you. Strange. Is it not? We both lived lives of service, and even after facing death itself, we still feel compelled to serve others. Darion Mograine: Sometimes the greatest act of service is to be present for those who need us. Until we meet again, Highlord.

You can watch the dialogue in LeystTV's video below.

The Scourge are a recurring theme now that the Shadowlands story is over. In a new Blood Elf questline added in Patch 9.2.5, Lor'themar and Lady Liadrin defend Quel'thalas against a Scourge Invasion. Especially interesting is Lor'themar's quote:

Lor'themar Theron: I will inform the Ebon Blade of what transpired. If the Scourge caused such problems here, I suspect matters in Northrend may be even worse.

The Regent Lord says he will inform the Ebon Blade (Darion) about what happened in Ghostlands and fears of what's going on in Northrend.

[Arcling 871]

But how can Scourge still be a threat? At this point it's just a bunch of ghouls and abominations. Maybe some members from Cult of the Damned survived, but all their leaders are dead anyway, so the best they've got are a bunch of regular cultists and necromancers.

[Prophet001 543]

1 minute ago, Arcling said:

But how can Scourge still be a threat? At this point it's just a bunch of ghouls and abominations. Maybe some members from Cult of the Damned survived, but all their leaders are dead anyway, so the best they've got are a bunch of regular cultists and necromancers.

 

17 minutes ago, Stan said:

Darion Mograine: Indeed. The mightiest among them already vie for supremacy. Like vicious warlords in the wake of their king's death.

 

Apparently some among their ranks are trying to take over. Though IDK how that would work since the helm is what drove them to do whatever it is they did.

[Arcling 871]

5 minutes ago, Prophet001 said:

Apparently some among their ranks are trying to take over. Though IDK how that would work since the helm is what drove them to do whatever it is they did.

Exactly, and who those "mightiest" are? Their leaders are dead (and some like KT were directly serving under the Jailer), the only ones with free will would be regular, non-undead members, so Cult of the Damned members. But then again, they aren't any major threat, nothing a well trained soldiers couldn't deal with.

Edited March 31, 2022 by Arcling

[Migol 425]

 

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But how can Scourge still be a threat? At this point it's just a bunch of ghouls and abominations. Maybe some members from Cult of the Damned survived, but all their leaders are dead anyway, so the best they've got are a bunch of regular cultists and necromancers.

 

 

 

Hopefully this is a side clean up arc and not a full on expansion story...without Arthas, and specifically Frostmourne and the Helm of Domination, it's very hard to see a significant threat arising from the undead that remain (most of whom are "mindless locust" variety).     Especially with an organized and well equipped (floating fortress and all) contingent of Death Knights keeping things under control.     The one wild card that could be considered is the undead spiders, supposedly there's an underground kingdom of them that Arthas warred against and turned, and while we've seen pieces of it I doubt we'd say we've seen it all.

[Teufel 331]

Little unrelated, but I'm not sure why everyone and their mother are hating of Calia when Taelia just... exists.

"Yeah, dad, I know you were keeping a legion of undead from overrunning the world and mentally fought against a Death God's will every day, but HOW DARE YOU NOT TELL ME, GOOD THING I HAD A FATHER FIGURE TO LOOK UP TO. IN FLESH. HAHAHA FEEL BAD ABOUT IT AND START MAKING IT UP TO ME."

Seriously, can someone make her Sylvanas' jailer or smth? Tyrande's owl is way less irratating and way more pleasing to look at than her.

Edited March 31, 2022 by Teufel

[MeOnIV 23]

Ok so I thought the reason there would "always be a Lich King" was to keep the Scourge at bay. It was addressed by a blue post saying during their respective reigns the Lich Kings held the main bulk of Scourge army back on purpose - Where is it now?

Also, are the DK's seriously going to be like: "Look we need to do this." and then they just do it, just like that...?

What sword, what Scourge? So now everything's been written into a corner, what next? 

I haven't played retail since Legion so did I miss a retcon somewhere? 

Yes, that does also mean that Arthas and Ner'zhul were not unleashing the full force of the Scourge during their respective reigns: you are welcome to speculate on the reasons for that.

Does a now deleted blue post count as retcon? 

Sorry, my brain is so full of "?????" at this point. 

 

Edited March 31, 2022 by MeOnIV
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[Prophet001 543]

1 minute ago, MeOnIV said:

Sorry, my brain is so full of "?????" at this point. 

Welcome.

Have a seat next to Dan and tell us your name.

[Teufel 331]

40 minutes ago, MeOnIV said:

Ok so I thought the reason there would "always be a Lich King" was to keep the Scourge at bay. It was addressed by a blue post saying during their respective reigns the Lich Kings held the main bulk of Scourge army back on purpose - Where is it now?

Also, are the DK's seriously going to be like: "Look we need to do this." and then they just do it, just like that...?

What sword, what Scourge? So now everything's been written into a corner, what next? 

I haven't played retail since Legion so did I miss a retcon somewhere? 

Yes, that does also mean that Arthas and Ner'zhul were not unleashing the full force of the Scourge during their respective reigns: you are welcome to speculate on the reasons for that.

Does a now deleted blue post count as retcon? 

Sorry, my brain is so full of "?????" at this point. 

 

With the newest novel out...

Ner'zhul didn't because his mission was to butter Azeroth up for the Jailer's plan. To that end, the Scourge needed to be established, the Legion invasion - sabotaged, as given the cinematic implications, machinery needed to extract Azeroth's power - built. Arthas was means for Ner'zhul to escape confinement and act freely.

Arthas didn't, because he wished to build the Scourge the strongest it can get - which is why he lured and tested his would-be killers in ICC wishing to turn them into the most powerful champions of the Scourge instead of just killing everyone. According to that same novel, Arthas overcoming Ner'zhul was not a part of Jailer's plan, and he wasn't acting under the Jailer's influence - infuriating the latter.

Needless to say, Bolvar just holding the Scourge in containment didn't help the Jailer either, hence he sought Sylvanas' aid.

Now, there's just no one to keep them in check, especially with the Helm being destroyed.

[Arcling 871]

3 hours ago, Teufel said:

Ner'zhul didn't because his mission was to butter Azeroth up for the Jailer's plan. To that end, the Scourge needed to be established, the Legion invasion - sabotaged, as given the cinematic implications, machinery needed to extract Azeroth's power - built. Arthas was means for Ner'zhul to escape confinement and act freely.

There is still a perceived plot hole. When Ner'zhul came under the service of the Jailer? Originally, turning Ner'zhul into Lich King was Kil'jaeden's plan and a punishment for his failures, also it was last chance for Ner'zhul to make himself useful to the Burning Legion. There was nothing about some another entity like the Jailer. Similar with Kel'thuzad, he was called to Northrend by Ner'zhul, but apparently he was always a servant of the Jailer. Not to mention other plot holes, like KT fighting against Dreadlords.

From Chronicle, Arthas wanted Azeroth united under the Scourge to face the Burning Legion and Void Lords. However, it was written way before Shadowlands, not sure how much of it still holds true.

[Teufel 331]

11 hours ago, Arcling said:

There is still a perceived plot hole. When Ner'zhul came under the service of the Jailer? Originally, turning Ner'zhul into Lich King was Kil'jaeden's plan and a punishment for his failures, also it was last chance for Ner'zhul to make himself useful to the Burning Legion. There was nothing about some another entity like the Jailer. Similar with Kel'thuzad, he was called to Northrend by Ner'zhul, but apparently he was always a servant of the Jailer. Not to mention other plot holes, like KT fighting against Dreadlords.

From Chronicle, Arthas wanted Azeroth united under the Scourge to face the Burning Legion and Void Lords. However, it was written way before Shadowlands, not sure how much of it still holds true.

The moment he put the crown on, I imagine, since Bolvar claims he had to fight off Jailer's influence during his run as the Lich King, so communicating with Ner'Zhul would be a piece of cake. 

NZ was no friend of Legion, obviously, and even had a huge grudge against them for what they did to the orcs (through him, no less), so I can't see how he'd reject Zovaal's offer for KJ's service. And, obviously, dead Azeroth would be of no use to the Jailer, so they couldn't let the Legion win.

Arthas' goal still holds true even with the novel.

Edited April 1, 2022 by Teufel

[Arcling 871]

1 hour ago, Teufel said:

NZ was no friend of Legion, obviously, and even had a huge grudge against them for what they did to the orcs (through him, no less), so I can't see how he'd reject Zovaal's offer for KJ's service. And, obviously, dead Azeroth would be of no use to the Jailer, so they couldn't let the Legion win.

Arthas' goal still holds true even with the novel.

I see, I liked how Ner'zhul was independent and rebelling on his own. To find out that he was doing something for the Jailer is a little bit disappointing. Good thing they haven't changed Arthas' goal. At least he was completely on his own, even if Zovaal tried to influence him.

[Teufel 331]

4 hours ago, Arcling said:

I see, I liked how Ner'zhul was independent and rebelling on his own. To find out that he was doing something for the Jailer is a little bit disappointing. Good thing they haven't changed Arthas' goal. At least he was completely on his own, even if Zovaal tried to influence him.

I think it's just kinda mutually beneficial goal, i.e. Ner'Zhul would've looked for a way to screw the Legion regardless. 

[Arcling 871]

1 hour ago, Teufel said:

I think it's just kinda mutually beneficial goal, i.e. Ner'Zhul would've looked for a way to screw the Legion regardless. 

Yeah, I guess it makes sense. Just preferred if it was just Ner'zhul trying to screw up everyone by himself.

[Tyrandrac 0]

So, hear me out. Why was the term vacant throne used here? Were we not told about vacant throne for the past 2 xpacks? This might be setting up an xpack where turalyon becomes the new lich king, but under yoggs command. Cause wouldn't the old gods, and those that served them be in the maw? We should have at least heard hints about them, but nothing. Shadowlands itself could be just a huge distraction so that all the old gods can muster their strength back and ravage azeroth in our absence. Or it's all been a dream since n'zoth, he is the king of sleep after all.