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Interesting Conversation Between Genn Greymane and Mathias Shaw on the Dragonflight Alpha

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We found a new conversation between Greymane and Shaw in the latest Dragonflight Alpha build. This post contains spoilers.

An interesting dialogue between Shaw and Greymane takes place in Stormwind in the Dragonflight expansion. Both talk about Anduin Wrynn. Shaw says "years have passed since Azeroth's heroes returned from the Shadowlands", likely referring to a time skip between Shadowlands and Dragonflight.

Anduin remained in the Shadowlands at the end of the expansion. In Dragonflight, he's still missing and the people of Stormwind miss their king even though Turalyon is a natural leader popular with the nobles. The full transcript of the conversation can be found below.

Master Mathias Shaw: King Greymane, I thought you should know. Wrathion asked if there's been any word from--

Genn Greymane: Anduin? He asked me the same question. Though their friendship has been strained, I know the king considers Wrathion an ally.

Master Mathias Shaw: Several years have passed since Azeroth's heroes returned from the realms of Death.

Master Mathias Shaw: In that time, I've followed up countless leads. Reports that the king was sighted here or there. None of them have been proven true.

Genn Greymane: I do not think that we will find Anduin until he wishes to be found. That may take some time.

Master Mathias Shaw: Turalyon is popular with the nobles, and he's a natural leader to our soldiers. But the people of Stormwind miss their king.

Genn Greymane: The best thing that any of us can do is to give Anduin the time he needs. And to be here for him whenever he comes home.

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Zealous alternate universe spacegoatess invading Stormwind and making it her base at the end of Dragonflight.

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11 minutes ago, Teufel said:

Zealous alternate universe spacegoatess invading Stormwind and making it her base at the end of Dragonflight.

You talking about Yrel? Would be interesting concept to explore honestly. Imagine revisiting Dreanor? Except they actually make it much better than WoD.

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37 minutes ago, Rhondis said:

You talking about Yrel? Would be interesting concept to explore honestly. Imagine revisiting Dreanor? Except they actually make it much better than WoD.

My money is more on her following Mag'har into Azeroth to 'enlighten' it too.
Revisting alternate Draenor, though... last patch maybe? Final raid, like Shattrath we never got in WoD, kick her in the shins. 

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3 minutes ago, Teufel said:

My money is more on her following Mag'har into Azeroth to 'enlighten' it too.
Revisting alternate Draenor, though... last patch maybe? Final raid, like Shattrath we never got in WoD, kick her in the shins. 

It would imply that they would follow up on established story, which is a rare occurrence.

WoWhead also mentioned that this is possibly a scrapped content, so this dialogue might not be in final version. I wouldn't want Turalyon to turn into some evil light zealot, because this is simply boring. Also out of character, he was the most bland and boring good guy. Making him do something evil, because some power corrupted him isn't interesting, and it's something we had many times before.

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17 minutes ago, Teufel said:

My money is more on her following Mag'har into Azeroth to 'enlighten' it too.
Revisting alternate Draenor, though... last patch maybe? Final raid, like Shattrath we never got in WoD, kick her in the shins. 

Yea I can see this to some degree. Wouldn't surprised if this would be in lingo with a void themed expansion too. 

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12 minutes ago, Arcling said:

It would imply that they would follow up on established story, which is a rare occurrence.

WoWhead also mentioned that this is possibly a scrapped content, so this dialogue might not be in final version. I wouldn't want Turalyon to turn into some evil light zealot, because this is simply boring. Also out of character, he was the most bland and boring good guy. Making him do something evil, because some power corrupted him isn't interesting, and it's something we had many times before.

My money is also on the side of Turalyon turning on her (right away or eventually), rather than going 'zealously good' in this scenario. I mean, if there's anything he learned from that encounter with Illidan and the chandelier.

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19 minutes ago, Arcling said:

It would imply that they would follow up on established story, which is a rare occurrence.

WoWhead also mentioned that this is possibly a scrapped content, so this dialogue might not be in final version. I wouldn't want Turalyon to turn into some evil light zealot, because this is simply boring. Also out of character, he was the most bland and boring good guy. Making him do something evil, because some power corrupted him isn't interesting, and it's something we had many times before.

The light isn't as pure as people think it is. If anything it would be interesting to see Yrel and Turalyon actually get overzealous to purify Azeroth from the void even if it means going to the extremes. Much like how Sargeras became a corrupted titan because of his fear with the void lords. It would be an interesting concept that doesn't play off the cliche of "Ha, im bad cause I can be bad". It plays around the idea of morality and how even the purest of heros can be seen at fault for their own misguided actions.

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24 minutes ago, Rhondis said:

The light isn't as pure as people think it is. If anything it would be interesting to see Yrel and Turalyon actually get overzealous to purify Azeroth from the void even if it means going to the extremes. Much like how Sargeras became a corrupted titan because of his fear with the void lords. It would be an interesting concept that doesn't play off the cliche of "Ha, im bad cause I can be bad". It plays around the idea of morality and how even the purest of heros can be seen at fault for their own misguided actions.

If there was more to it, sure it would be quite interesting. I'm afraid they would just pull another "Turalyon actually wasn't himself, he was only being manipulated by this power!" type of story.

Anyway, we will find if it isn't just a cut content, perhaps this conversation never happened. About time skip, while Turalyon is "empowered" so he doesn't age as normal person, wouldn't this put Greymane in his 90s? He was already supposed to be like 80, unless they changed canon and made him younger.

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2 hours ago, Arcling said:

there was more to it, sure it would be quite interesting. I'm afraid they would just pull another "Turalyon actually wasn't himself, he was only being manipulated by this power!" type of story.

Well, if they have learned from their failure from Shadowlands then hopefully they learned not to make a terrible mustache twirling villain like the Jailer was. But time will tell either way.

 

2 hours ago, Arcling said:

Anyway, we will find if it isn't just a cut content, perhaps this conversation never happened. About time skip, while Turalyon is "empowered" so he doesn't age as normal person, wouldn't this put Greymane in his 90s? He was already supposed to be like 80, unless they changed canon and made him younger.

Blizzard hasn't really gone into the specifics of how far time has passed has it? We have only seen a "few years" in this conversational piece but, nothing definitive that tells us how long it's been. But doesn't appear to be a major time skip like what most people projected it to be initially. 

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17 hours ago, Arcling said:

Anyway, we will find if it isn't just a cut content, perhaps this conversation never happened. About time skip, while Turalyon is "empowered" so he doesn't age as normal person, wouldn't this put Greymane in his 90s? He was already supposed to be like 80, unless they changed canon and made him younger.

Maybe part of the Worgen curse is an extended lifespan?  Don't think that's really been explored much.

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3 hours ago, Belak said:

Maybe part of the Worgen curse is an extended lifespan?  Don't think that's really been explored much.

Yeah, we don't know exactly how Worgen curse works, but this could be the reason. Weird how it only worked on humans and some night elves, yet it never worked on other races, which have some titanic heritage as well.

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2 minutes ago, Arcling said:

Yeah, we don't know exactly how Worgen curse works, but this could be the reason. Weird how it only worked on humans and some night elves, yet it never worked on other races, which have some titanic heritage as well.

Wiki doesn't mention anything specific to aging in regards to the Cutse but two things.

A) Greymane stated he feels younger in hiw worgen form and older in human one

B) They don't seem to have enhanced healing factor, which usually contributes to longevity as a fantasy tope, since there are some Worgen missing an eye, etc

Can always retcon a thing or two though.

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