wow Creation Catalyst Assets Updated for Dragonflight

[Stan 5,243]

Blizzard has updated the Creation Catalyst assets in preparation for Dragonflight and the feature will most likely transition over to the new expansion.

The Creation Catalyst acts as bad luck protection for players who were not lucky enough to form their Tier Set yet. For Dragonflight specifically, there will most likely be a currency and you'll need to Dragonflight Season 1 item to convert it to a Tier Set piece.

Obviously, it won't be located in Zereth Mortis. The system has not been implemented yet in the Beta and we'll keep you updated with more details as they become available.

Creation Catalyst Assets on Live Servers

Creation Catalyst Assets on Dragonflight Beta

[Q 200]

Oh please, don't let there be a currency tied to this.

[Cham79 87]

So still no reason to raid with stuff like this in the game

[Migol 433]

2 hours ago, Q said:

Oh please, don't let there be a currency tied to this.

I mean, as long as it's reasonable ("Kill 20 bosses for a tier piece") just to protect against bad luck that's fine.   

It's when they force you to go to Castle Denathria for a legendary recipe drop, clear torghast for weeks to get the materials, purchase a crafted AH piece for 90-150k, then upgrade it with mats from whatever new zone grinding nonsense they've implemented...yeah.   That's when it gets ugly.    Though not much can beat the sanctum gems for crappy system-ness.

[Tyrande 1]

1 hour ago, Cham79 said:

So still no reason to raid with stuff like this in the game

For those who only think of gear, no. But for those who prioritize performance over gear, yes.

[Q 200]

2 hours ago, Migol said:

I mean, as long as it's reasonable ("Kill 20 bosses for a tier piece") just to protect against bad luck that's fine.   

It's when they force you to go to Castle Denathria for a legendary recipe drop, clear torghast for weeks to get the materials, purchase a crafted AH piece for 90-150k, then upgrade it with mats from whatever new zone grinding nonsense they've implemented...yeah.   That's when it gets ugly.    Though not much can beat the sanctum gems for crappy system-ness.

Fair. I quit back in 9.1 because of those gems and recently returned and just can't be bothered with all the *filtered* they want players to keep up with. Just playing classic while I wait for DF.

[Q 200]

2 hours ago, Cham79 said:

So still no reason to raid with stuff like this in the game

You say that like there's any reason to raid when you get better gear from M+ and PvP without a weekly lockout.

[Cham79 87]

14 hours ago, Q said:

You say that like there's any reason to raid when you get better gear from M+ and PvP without a weekly lockout.

Tier sets were always the main reason for raiding as far as I care, hence why I am sharing my opinion here?

[Cham79 87]

14 hours ago, Tyrande said:

For those who only think of gear, no. But for those who prioritize performance over gear, yes.

What does this even mean? Nobody thinking of one and not the other

[CynicalCennik 0]

On 9/22/2022 at 10:47 AM, Cham79 said:

So still no reason to raid with stuff like this in the game

This doesn't even make sense.  At all.  If you had ever actually used the creation catalyst, you would know it only converts gear at the ilvl the piece is.  So, you'll still want to raid to get higher ilvl pieces.  All the catalyst does is turn the look of the piece into an LFR look and add the tier set bonus onto it.  It doesn't change the ilvl at all.  For example, the max ilvl piece you can get from Zereth Mortis without at least running Fated LFR is 246.  Max ilvl from from regular Sepulcher LFR is 242.  So worst case scenario it leaves no reason to run LFR for tier set bonuses.  At least not until Fated LFR becomes a thing in Dragonflight.  It kind of boggles my mind that anyone would complain about that, since everyone constantly pisses and moans about the existence of LFR in the first place.

[Cham79 87]

On 9/24/2022 at 10:19 PM, CynicalCennik said:

This doesn't even make sense.  At all.  If you had ever actually used the creation catalyst, you would know it only converts gear at the ilvl the piece is.  So, you'll still want to raid to get higher ilvl pieces.  All the catalyst does is turn the look of the piece into an LFR look and add the tier set bonus onto it.  It doesn't change the ilvl at all.  For example, the max ilvl piece you can get from Zereth Mortis without at least running Fated LFR is 246.  Max ilvl from from regular Sepulcher LFR is 242.  So worst case scenario it leaves no reason to run LFR for tier set bonuses.  At least not until Fated LFR becomes a thing in Dragonflight.  It kind of boggles my mind that anyone would complain about that, since everyone constantly pisses and moans about the existence of LFR in the first place.

In regards to weekly Vault

Mythic + ilvl 304 gear requires 1 15 takes 20-40 min

2 mythic raid bosses, takes days of progression on release and then hours to form the group and down the bosses. Then you need to find or be in a guild that even raids mythic unless you want a clownfeista with the morons not just doing m+ in pugs. 

It makes perfect sense as to why someone doesn't want to raid when mythic plus can be converted into tier sets at the same ilvl as mythic raid gear with 5% of the effort.

I didn't even mention LFR or Zerith Mortis, nor do I care if a casual can get some pre-normal raid ilvl tier set pieces with the creation catalyst, this is not an issue with the system.

But sure, good job taking the only thing nobody has an issue with and using it as basis for the argument.

[Bish186 0]

On 9/24/2022 at 10:19 PM, CynicalCennik said:

This doesn't even make sense.  At all.  If you had ever actually used the creation catalyst, you would know it only converts gear at the ilvl the piece is.  So, you'll still want to raid to get higher ilvl pieces.  All the catalyst does is turn the look of the piece into an LFR look and add the tier set bonus onto it.  It doesn't change the ilvl at all.  For example, the max ilvl piece you can get from Zereth Mortis without at least running Fated LFR is 246.  Max ilvl from from regular Sepulcher LFR is 242.  So worst case scenario it leaves no reason to run LFR for tier set bonuses.  At least not until Fated LFR becomes a thing in Dragonflight.  It kind of boggles my mind that anyone would complain about that, since everyone constantly pisses and moans about the existence of LFR in the first place.

What you said makes no sense...I think maybe you don't realise what the catalyst does...It in no way only "Turns the look of a piece into an LFR look with the added tier set bonus". I can get a 304 piece from vault and turn that into the equivalent ilvl piece of raid tier set (the exact same item as if i was running a fated mythic raid). That's guaranteed once per week. You can run 8 15s over a couple days without even sweating for a chance at a large loot table of gear.

Using gear from ZM is completely redundant unless all you are doing is world content...Seems a bit odd you are being condescending when your reply is clearly from a casual players perspective. If you actually did higher end stuff you would realise that nobody looks at LFR or ZM gear as anything other than a stop gap for alts before you get into proper gear. The catalyst basically kills any average players "need" to do raiding in a player power point of view unless min maxing. Really its only the weapons and a few trinkets that you really NEED to get from a raid, but in all honesty the extra few DPS you get isn't gonna make or break your toon you can  get by fine without them.

Raids in general need a rehaul because they are stale and just offering 10% higher ilvl on a few bosses isn't the fix it needs.