Drahkmar

Some questions regarding Balance AoE

Sign in to follow this  

5 posts in this topic

Hey, I'm trying out Boomkin on my druid before WoD, see what my main alt will be. I know changes will be made to Boomkins, but I'm just trying to get a general feel for it.

Single target rotation is going pretty well, but in AoE situations I feel I'm lacking, mainly because I'm not at all sure what my rotation should be at what amount of targets.

 

I feel that the class guide isn't very specific when it comes to what to do with what amount of targets, so I was hoping you guys could help me out!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

First of all - Boomkin aoe sux. If I want to have good aoe damage I simply do a lot of single target damage to multiple targets. What I mean by that is just continue cycling eclipses and put as many eclipsed dots as you can, while still maintaining NG buff uptime. It's easier said than done. However in WoD our Starfall will be brought back as full aoe spell, some other changes will be done, but as far as I know - boomkin always was a strong single target dps class. So in our 10hc raids I simply leave aoe to Ele shammy or warlock or hunt - those, who are good at it.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

If you want to get to know Boomkin in preparation for WoD, your best bet is to either get on the Beta and play or simply don't play at all.

 

Right now, boomkins are a weaker spec for all forms of damage. The only situation in which a boomkin performs very well is a very short fight with minimal targets where the opening burst can account for more of your damage. But, there are other classes with stronger openers. There are other classes with better sustained DPS. There are other classes with better AOE DPS. Boomkin doesn't really have any niche other than being a better option over a Shadowpriest to provide spell haste.

 

Hardly anything about the spec is going to play or feel the way it does right now. Right now, the spec is constrained to having to cycle eclipses and managing your energy and Nature's Grace uptime. AoE simply isn't an option. At all. The most you can do is multi-DoT a few targets (up to about 3 or so), but after that you just cap out.

 

Energy and cycling are fully taken care of for you in WoD, and options are going to be in to be less restricted and less limited. Boomkins will have control over their single target burst timing, and they'll have more options for AoE.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Boomkin AOE is not quiet that bad. Yes, other classes like a Warlock or Hunter are better, but ours is not that weak.

Its just important to know when to AOE with Hurricane and prepare for it and when not to do AOE.

 

in SoO Heroic I only AOE at the following bosses:

- Immerseus: Before pull I lay down some shrooms at the spot where the adds are being tanked. When they spawn and are collected together at this point i execute the shrooms and then hit Hurricane. (Not AstralStorm or w/e its called in english)

- Sha: I only AOE with shrooms and Hurricane when the 3rd Aoe packs spawns (Lots of them)

- Thok: I execute some shrooms when the bats are engaging the raid. But no Hurricane. Usually with our tatctis my 3 Minute CDs have resetted and I pop CA and INC and Dot everyone. MUCHO DPS!

- Garrosh: Prepare some shrooms at the spot where the adds are beeing tanked and Hurricane them afterwards within phase 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Hurricane is a DPS loss in almost every situation you could possibly run into, especially if you're channeling it for more than a tick or (at most) two.  Mushroom usage for adds is debatable. It's extra damage, but the mushrooms also serve to help force PBI to proc.  If PBI is late, it can really take out a lot of your boss DPS at the start, and what you'd make up in mushrooms on the adds later would simply be padding. You can't really defend Boomkin AOE by saying "it's worse than the good ones, but it's not THE worst."  If it's worse than everything else, it's bad.

 

List of specs with stronger AOE than Boomkin:

 

Warlock (Destruction)

Warlock (Demonology)

Hunter (Survival)

Hunter (Beast Mastery)

Shaman (Elemental)

Shaman (Enhancement)

Priest (Shadow)

Warrior (Fury)

Warrior (Arms)

Druid (Feral)

Druid (Resto with HOTW Hurricane)

Monk (Windwalker)

 

Other possible contenders:

Death Knight (Frost)

Paladin (Retribution)

Warrior (Protection)

Druid (Guardian)

Monk (Brewmaster)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
Sign in to follow this  

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

  • Similar Content

    • By Fyresparxx
      <Abyss> is a Mythic raiding guild recruiting to bolster our Mythic raid team for BfA. We are a zero drama guild of adults who enjoy raiding progression content. 
      The guild has been around since day one of classic. We have a relatively relaxed raid environment and solid leadership that encourages players to excel while still enjoying the game.
      Raiders must come prepared, on time, with flasks, pots, food, and runes. 
      Raiders must know their class and role. 
      Potential raiders must have been gearing for the content.
      Drama Queens and Trolls need not apply. 
      Our raid schedule is:
      Tuesday - Thursday
      8PM - 11PM CST
      We are looking for the following classes/specs, but will consider any good and dedicated players.
      Healers - Any Class
      DPS - Especially Mage, Monk, Rogue
      Tank - CLOSED
      If you are interested in joining our Mythic team, please apply: https://tinyurl.com/AbyssWhisperwind
      If you have any questions please leave a comment, contact Fyresparxx#1148 or Trex#1111 or send a message or in-game mail to Trex-Whisperwind or Fyresparxx-Whisperwind.
    • By taldorblackfire
      Hey everyone,
      So, I think my problem is my gear as I have been trying to rack my brain on why my dps is not that great in raids. Some of it I admit is probably not sticking 100% to my rotation, but any help/suggestions would definitely be appreciated.
      You can find the analyzer for the most recent log here: https://wowanalyzer.com/report/4K3dCR86gfMv2Njt/2-LFR+Antoran+High+Command/Darkbriar
       
      Thanks in advance! 😎
    • By Narii625
      SERVER: Illidan
      RAID TIMES: Fridays & Sundays 10pm - 1am Server Time.
      PROGRESSION: 2/11M
      CURRENTLY RECRUITING*
      Tank All DPS (Healer offspec preferred but not required) Possibly accepting other roles! ABOUT US
      Now recruiting for BFA!
      Currently looking for skilled and laid back Tank & DPS for the upcoming expansion.
      We're semi-casual in terms of the time we spend raiding, but are serious about progression, attendance, and performance.
      Booty Pirates is a close-knit late night guild that hangs out in Discord frequently. We enjoy joking around, playing alts, doing Mythic+, playing other games, or just hanging out. 
      Fun guild events are scheduled often!
      Overall, we're very social with guild members that actually talk to each other.
      (18+ required, we talk like pirates!)
      GOALS FOR BFA
      In Battle for Azeroth we plan to push Mythic more than we did previously in Legion, and not spend nearly as much time on Heroic. 
      This means we will jump into Mythic/Heroic weekends as soon as the majority of the Heroic gear is done. (Mythic Friday and Heroic Sunday, for example, until we phase Heroic out completely.) 
      SCHEDULE UNTIL BFA**
      Fridays currently mandatory for core raiders for a partial Heroic clear.
      Sundays reserved for non-mandatory misc WoW activities (M+, leveling alts for BFA etc.) or other non-WoW related events.
      If ilvl is high enough, you can join for Friday (950+) and Sunday on any character, not just the one you want to play in BFA.
                *The class you play in BFA can be different from what you play now; we will be flexible until the expansion hits.
                **Schedule subject to changes.
      JOINING THE BOOTY PIRATES CREW
      Make sure to add me on Battle.net and/or fill out our short 6 question app to join us. We look forward to speaking with you!
      Start the app here! 
      Battle.net ID: LadyPluu#1299
    • By Chumani
      Inevitable Destiny   (H)Corrupted Destiny guild Skywall/Drak'thul US realm😎 The alliance are coming.... It is an 'inevitable destiny'. DONT fight alone.... Come and stand with us as ONE.... We are HORDE... We are CORRUPTED! Open recruiting for BfA... we are currently 4/11 Mythic Antorus 11/11 Heroic. Raiding schedule for BfA-
      Sun/Tues/Thurs  630-930 pst  Progression Mon will be Alt/Casual raid  Currently fridays are reserved for keys although everyday in guild is 'key day' 😛
      CD is one of THE oldest guilds on Skywall and still massively active and standing! Come find out why! Come join our family!
      Come.... Get.... CORRUPTED! 😎
      Chu@12466 - Deni#1743
    • By Buksh
      Hi all,
      Im not sure where to post this but im hoping someone can help or at least point me in the right direction.
      TL;DR - My DPS is awful and i want to increase it
      I played fire & frost spec back in cata upto 85 and have recently got back into WoW again and finally realised what people talk about when they play "end game" i wish id known about raiding sooner!
      However, My DPS isnt great at all im eq 959 ilvl but my DPS comes out as low as 8-900 sometimes or i can hold a steady 1.1-1.2M. Simc comes out around 1.7M (obviously in a perfect world) but i still feel im doing something wrong.
      Ive watched videos, read forums and im sure my rotation is right. Im using Flask, Food and Runes and Pre-potting. I have some logs here of garothi.
      https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/XRqCaL6jFVpW9MnG#fight=5&type=summary&source=23&view=events
      and this is my Raider.io - https://raider.io/characters/eu/twisting-nether/Buksh
      Not sure if ive posted this in the right place OR if ive given enough info to help. but anything would be hugely appreciated.