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Numeous Players Receiving Mysterious Bans for Exploiting: It's Tailoring!

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Many players have been reporting receiving anything from 1 to 4 week suspensions and being very unclear as to why, since the message only vaguely tells them they were exploiting.

The answer to this short-lived mystery came quickly as a lot of the confused players mentioned that it might possibly have to do with using the Chronocloth Bolt Chronocloth Bolt and Azureweave Bolt Azureweave Bolt bug, where their cooldown wasn't resetting properly and players were making many more of them a day than the intended amount. The cooldown resets would happen from random activities, even something as simple as joining a group, so it wasn't exactly a pre-planned exploit.

Now the discussion is an interesting one, as there was no explicit indication what the intended amount of crafts/intended cooldown is (as some players even had plenty of points in the Chronocloth specialization), although there was a general consensus going around about it being a bug. There are those that abused it fully and just spammed every single cooldown they could, and those that only used it a little over the intended amount (which wasn't clear to begin with), so the large amount of bans going out is a tricky subject (although the duration of the suspension may be related to the amount of cloth made - or it may be the usual, based on number of previous infractions).

And there's more:

Luckily a few players are seeing some humor in it as well:


So... fair or unfair bans?

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What about people exploiting rares from the starts, making unfair huge amounts of golds and stealing the market from honnest players ? Where is the justice ?

Wrong is done, they can't fix it, this is incredibly unfair, they could at least ban them and rollback their accounts (or banlife).

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Continued use of a bug/exploit just because Blizzard hasn't fixed it (or even acknowledged it) yet has never been a valid defense against account action, and has even been outlined in the TOS/EULA for over a decade now.

When you use up your available crafts (e.g. Alchemy starts with 7 available), the cooldown remaining is next daily reset minus the current time, not terribly complicated math there. If that starts resetting without a reasonable explanation, why risk it? Even if you take a knowledge path that increases your daily uses from 7 to 10, you're still only gaining 3 if you already did 7 today, and then from next reset onward your max available will show 10 from the start.

Also, the strawman arguments "but what about x bug that hasn't been addressed yet" are just laughable, as if totally separate bug/exploit is somehow justification for avoiding punishment for using this bug/exploit.

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I think it’s kinda crappy, with all these people doing exploits and they hit crafters with a ban. I would have never noticed prob because how confusing crafting was from the start. I could see doing it if the crafting was like it was in past expac s, but with how confusing it can be now banning ppl that may have just accidentally used it a handful of times in the past 3 or 4 times is kinda crappy… imo not a good look!

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I am a tailor and I realized that something was wrong, but only later, I got the specialization this week and it was sad to make my rolls, but to my surprise I could make several (less than 10), but it was still more than 1, note : I did this in a sequence and not leaving the group or doing anything that could be purposeful, I even thought it was a "bonus" related to "how many I would have done from the beginning", currently it is more regular, doing only 1 each X hours

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4 hours ago, SidonisAntares said:

Continued use of a bug/exploit just because Blizzard hasn't fixed it (or even acknowledged it) yet has never been a valid defense against account action, and has even been outlined in the TOS/EULA for over a decade now.

When you use up your available crafts (e.g. Alchemy starts with 7 available), the cooldown remaining is next daily reset minus the current time, not terribly complicated math there. If that starts resetting without a reasonable explanation, why risk it? Even if you take a knowledge path that increases your daily uses from 7 to 10, you're still only gaining 3 if you already did 7 today, and then from next reset onward your max available will show 10 from the start.

Also, the strawman arguments "but what about x bug that hasn't been addressed yet" are just laughable, as if totally separate bug/exploit is somehow justification for avoiding punishment for using this bug/exploit.

Agreed. This is a no win situation for everybody. It looks bad for Blizzard and hits many players with no real ill intent. Yes the math is easy and it should´ve been super obvious that something is wrong.

Nonetheless its the vast majority of those who sent their alt army upon every bug to exploit it to the max because "its blizzards fault", so if they punish this, they can only punsih everybody, or none.

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37 minutes ago, Helvorn said:

Agreed. This is a no win situation for everybody. It looks bad for Blizzard and hits many players with no real ill intent. Yes the math is easy and it should´ve been super obvious that something is wrong.

Nonetheless its the vast majority of those who sent their alt army upon every bug to exploit it to the max because "its blizzards fault", so if they punish this, they can only punsih everybody, or none.

The problem is that the "x of y" crafts remaining really isn't explained, and the UI is very different than it was before. Like, before this, I didn't even realize that it was related to the cooldown, with a number of crafts pre-loaded or something. Did they even have multiple crafts before cooldown before Dragonflight? I'll admit I haven't done much serious crafting the last couple expansions, just leveling my engineering to get access to the toys, and call it a day for 2 years, usually. lol.

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13 hours ago, Madyrn said:

How can anything for DF be available "for weeks since launch"? The game has only been out for two weeks.

If it's more than 1 week, it's weeks.

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2 hours ago, Starym said:

If it's more than 1 week, it's weeks.

Obtuse be obtuse. You know the point I was making. The statement was poorly constructed and would have made sense by simply reading "since launch". "for weeks since launch" gives the impression that the game has been out longer than the problem exists.

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1 hour ago, Madyrn said:

Obtuse be obtuse. You know the point I was making. The statement was poorly constructed and would have made sense by simply reading "since launch". "for weeks since launch" gives the impression that the game has been out longer than the problem exists.

Sure, because the people reading r/wow don't know the difference, right? Speaking of obtuse...

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2 hours ago, Starym said:

Sure, because the people reading r/wow don't know the difference, right? Speaking of obtuse...

It's not about the people reading "knowing" the difference, it's about wording the statement correct.

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57 minutes ago, Madyrn said:

It's not about the people reading "knowing" the difference, it's about wording the statement correct.

I really don't think people posting on r/wow are or should be overly concerned about that level of phrasing. If it was a professional article or similar we could get into a deeper discussion, but I'm sorry, you're just being a little difficult here for no particular reason.

See I also COULD ding you yourself for saying "it's about wording the statement correct." when it should be "correctly", but that would be stupid, since this is a forum about a game we all enjoy together and you should be allowed to express your views casually without others criticizing you for it.

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1 hour ago, Starym said:

you should be allowed to express your views casually without others criticizing you for it.

Bruh, are you new to the internet?

As for correct/correctly, it can go either way. In "proper" English, "correctly" would be the way to go. However, it has become commonplace for "correct" to be used instead as people feel "correctly" seems odd. So, while you are CORRECT in that CORRECTLY is strict English, I am not INCORRECT in using CORRECT as I did.

That aside, my statement of "wording the statement correct" was not about proper English, it was about wording the statement in question correct as in to not create confusion. Stating "for weeks since launch" again implies the game has been out longer than the problem when, in fact, the problem has existed equally as long as the release. So, stating "since launch" instead, is correct.

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