6.1 Demonology Guide

[Drkdragon 9]

Now that I have Darmac and Blackhand trinkets. With DServ:DSup should I be building for a solid burn phase or just be reacting burning MC procs every time I get a blackhand proc?

[spikeysquad 50]

There is no one answer but look at the numbers.

 

DS: 3300 Mastery (I think)

 

BMC at 18 stacks:  3258 Multistrike

 

I only got BMC yesterday so I haven't had much chance to play with it yet.

 

I believe that ultimately your game play does not change. The question always being when is my next DS window and by then will I have enough MC procs, CWs (if using) and fury for it? Then whatever extra then you can dump on trinkets/ring. However as you only have one trinket for dumping then you can afford to be a bit more aggressive at least at the higher BMC stacks. At the lower amounts they are worth far less than your legendary proc. Do the maths and see where BMC pulls ahead.

 

Edited to change numbers as did not realise that you meant mythic! My apologies

Edited May 1, 2015 by spikeysquad

[spikeysquad 50]

Let's say a 6:52 fight, Mythic Oregorger to be precise. Ok, will be brave and this is my log (yeah I know I didn't play that well but I'm a work in progress, I still had a 670 staff, no GSR/BMC and it was my first kill). Alright enough with the excuses. 

 

So I planned my DS basically for the non-rolling phases, when I had the resources (in theory anyhow) and ideally when there was another proc up. So this was mostly all fine but I didn't DS every 2 minutes as such. My issue now is that I could have got another Grimoire and Orc racial in the fight length. So in an ideal world they would be paired with DS. But in this case should I have done another Grimoire and Blood Fury and had 2 sets of them without DS? Though the second pet also running around on roll phase probably doesn't do much damage. Or timed my DS for every 2 minutes (though that was during a roll phase)? Or did what I did and missed out on an extra? It seems like nearly every log that I compared to of a similar fight length does 3 Grimoires and pairs them always with DS (but that may just be a macro thing).

 

I wonder why I do not know this answer yet. Thanks for any help. 

Edited May 7, 2015 by spikeysquad

[Liquidsteel 279]

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Ok, so let's think about the problem that you have, and the solution to fix it.

 

Your problem is that you elected to delay Dark Soul as you thought using it during a rolling phase would be a mistake. Because of this you ended up missing out on a large burn cycle in execute.

 

I always think the best way to approach these posts is to actually go ahead and solve the problem, rather than try to use general theory. 

 

So, you thought that using Servitude in the rolling phase would cause it to not attack for a large portion of its uptime. The issue here is clearly positioning! To counter this you should place your demonic portal someone near the middle, and right after the final blackrock barrage you can portal from the outside lane to the middle and set up for the rolling phase. Using Service near the middle will mean the Doomguard is positioned well to at least get in a few shots wherever you summon, and not be terribly out of position depending on where the boss chooses to move. You are also nicely positioned to either attack the boss or nuke nearby boxes, and don't need to move as much as others (you actually get a juicy headstart!).

 

This logic can also be applied to your perma doomguard; by having him start the encounter via a move command to the middle, he won't start chasing the boss endlessly as he starts rolling.

[spikeysquad 50]

Thanks for the reply Liquidsteel. So basically for this fight are you saying that it's still better to use DS every 2 minutes, regardless of phase, and save the extra one for execute? I think that is what you are implying from the weak execute comment. Then all my Grimoires and Blood Furys would line up nicely still with DS and I would get the maximum of everything in. I gave that a try tonight but haven't had time to really look at the logs yet. I noticed though that I was using the 2 DS charges too close together at the end (that's a common problem for me) so that is something to work on. I did see tonight that my crate damage was appalling as I was focusing the boss during the roll phase but to be honest whatever I do it's always awful compared to most other classes.

 

After reading your post I did wait until I was in the middle to DS/GoServ. For my group there's no rush as we tend to phase change about the 1 minute 40-50 second mark. Yeah my permanent pet does start in the middle like you advised me before but he does still run a bit. I did watch your video as well where you do DS on the roll phase but you are Demonbolting there so it is not so relevant to this situation.

Edited May 8, 2015 by spikeysquad

[spikeysquad 50]

Well I did much better this week so thank you. Still didn't play well but I have realised that being able to analyse logs makes me a lot more conscious of my mistakes than other people about my level of play so I am giving myself a little break.

 

Anyhow, I got the 4 Grimoires in (just about) so that's an improvement. 

Edited May 11, 2015 by spikeysquad

[Nytemare 2]

Thinking of making a troll or an orc lock to raid with friend. Which race would you recommend for MS Demo / OS Affliction or Destro

 

If its troll do I want to pop their racial every time I use Dark Soul only? Also if troll for demo, would glyph of imp swam now be useful?

Edited May 17, 2015 by Nytemare

[DravenCarey 3]

Nytemare, racials really wont make or break you anymore. Pick the race you prefer to look at! If you do choose one with an on use ability, yes, only use it with Dark Soul. I'd have to do a little more digging but I'm almost certain it wouldn't influence the general uselessness of Glyph of Imp Swarm.

[Liquidsteel 279]

I wouldn't delay Berserking for Dark Soul...

 

On a long enough fight you'll miss out on uses.

[Nytemare 2]

Nytemare, racials really wont make or break you anymore. Pick the race you prefer to look at! If you do choose one with an on use ability, yes, only use it with Dark Soul. I'd have to do a little more digging but I'm almost certain it wouldn't influence the general uselessness of Glyph of Imp Swarm.

 

My main is a human that was made due to how they looked. This one I was aiming to be more min/maxing to see how I do.

 

I wouldn't delay Berserking for Dark Soul...

 

On a long enough fight you'll miss out on uses.

 

Ok so other words use it on CD, that is cool

[Liquidsteel 279]

Yeah but be smart about it. If the fight will end before 3 minutes then hold it to line up with all you got.

Same if you need to burst a certain part of the encounter you can hold it. Also if for whatever reason DS is like 10s away then it's ok to delay slightly.

[Glorn 1]

Is synergy + servitude a viable choice for demo? I think I read somewhere that it is, however I'm pretty confused at the moment.

[spikeysquad 50]

GoSyn and DemServ and I assume that you're meaning for ST damage? Anyhow, yes yes Simcraft is not very exact and who knows what settings the operators chose but it's the only thing that I can link without going surfing through multiple logs. So Summonstone and MMO Champion. Both put it over 2k less (per second) than Serv/Serv. 

 

Just curious but why do you want to change Glorn? Personally I dislike Synergy and its randomness and the big pets pack a fair punch. 

Edited May 20, 2015 by spikeysquad

[Recklessfear 33]

GoSyn and DemServ and I assume that you're meaning for ST damage? Anyhow, yes yes Simcraft is not very exact and who knows what settings the operators chose but it's the only thing that I can link without going surfing through multiple logs. So Summonstone and MMO Champion. Both put it over 2k less (per second) than Serv/Serv. 

 

Just curious but why do you want to change Glorn? Personally I dislike Synergy and its randomness and the big pets pack a fair punch. 

 

Personally, synergy can give out some serious burst if you can manage a proc with a DS burn.

 

It's really nice on fights where I can hit my execute DS with a syn buff. 

 

The damage output is insanity. 

[Glorn 1]

I really dislike service, I have trouble lining it up, sometimes I have it off cd but its not the right moment to use it along with DS, I time my DS for a time where I have to move as little as I can, service ruins my plans sometimes because I don't want to delay it too long.

[Masc 0]

Hello again, looking for advice on Mythic Oregorger dps.I use Service/DemServ. I feel like my dps goes to crap during rolling phase. What do you guys do? Do you have pet on passive and just let your doomguard follow Oregorger during roll phase? Do you dps crates (I feel like my group destroys it easily and the only thing I can do dps is when I use Chaos Waves) Or do you just attack Oregorger the entire roll phase? 

 

Also, is there any optimal opener for Mythic Iron Maidens? I know they move one of them that you can only cata two at once. Been messing around and I feel like I'm always changing my opener.

 

Any advice would be appreciated! 

[Recklessfear 33]

Hello again, looking for advice on Mythic Oregorger dps.I use Service/DemServ. I feel like my dps goes to crap during rolling phase. What do you guys do? Do you have pet on passive and just let your doomguard follow Oregorger during roll phase? Do you dps crates (I feel like my group destroys it easily and the only thing I can do dps is when I use Chaos Waves) Or do you just attack Oregorger the entire roll phase? 

 

Also, is there any optimal opener for Mythic Iron Maidens? I know they move one of them that you can only cata two at once. Been messing around and I feel like I'm always changing my opener.

 

Any advice would be appreciated! 

 

 

For ore, place your pet in the middle, so he can hit him as he rolls around most of the time, you do your thing for crates with your team until you're no longer needed then put it all into ore.

 

For maidens, if using cata, I found it best to open up normally, getting cata on the 2 and then dooming the last target when I can move into normal position.

[Masc 0]

For ore, place your pet in the middle, so he can hit him as he rolls around most of the time, you do your thing for crates with your team until you're no longer needed then put it all into ore.

 

For maidens, if using cata, I found it best to open up normally, getting cata on the 2 and then dooming the last target when I can move into normal position.

 

Ah thanks for the advice on Oregorger, will def try it on next reset. And I figured on Maidens, since I tried to open with pre-pot cata on some pulls just for the hell of it, i t didn't work out great in mid fight.

[vaeevictiss 17]

so will this make any damn bit of a difference after Demos huge nerf?

 

Demonology

• Mastery: Master Demonologist now increases damage dealt by the Warlock and their demon servants by 1.25% per mastery (up from 0.96%), and further increases damage dealt by Touch of Chaos, Chaos Wave, Doom, Immolation Aura, and Soul Fire while in Metamorphosis by 2.5% per mastery (up from 1.92%). has decreased in effectiveness by 4%.

nm, just saw this in the other thread.

Edited June 3, 2015 by vaeevictiss

[Nytemare 2]

Anyone know why the bracer from BF are consider BIS over Zone drop ones? BF = Multi/Crit, vs Zone of Crit/Mastery I believe.

[Liquidsteel 279]

The zone drops are BiS.

[Nytemare 2]

The zone drops are BiS.

 

Yeah thanks for confirming that, I was confused why all bis list I been seeing, has BF ones, so figured I would ask.

[spikeysquad 50]

I'd suggest it's because the Bracers of Darkened Skies do not exist! (Only seen them once in who knows how many runs now...). Curious which BiS lists you follow then Nytemare.

[Nytemare 2]

I'd suggest it's because the Bracers of Darkened Skies do not exist! (Only seen them once in who knows how many runs now...). Curious which BiS lists you follow then Nytemare.

 

The main one is from 6.1 demo guide on Dark Intent written by Zag, I usually aim to read his guides and liquid over anyone else, as they shown to know what they are doing. Only starting with SoO I been part of any raid team that has not fallen part in a week, that down current content, before that, I spent my times just doing lfr and dung all these years as a lock. So I am a vet as being a lock (since van), but a noob when it comes to being a lock at higher content then dung/lfr/normal

[spikeysquad 50]

Ah that's fair enough Nytemare. I tend to look at 4 different guides/forums currently and usually whatever the majority says tends to be true. I do really like the atmosphere here though for the most part.

 

Glad to hear that your raiding is going so well now. I think that for the majority of players it is a never ending learning process but that in my opinion makes it fun!