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Your statements on a burn phase not working at current gears levels and low levels of mastery compared to the bonus stacks are inconsistent. While I do not have all the numbers needed (mana regen per second, missile proc chance, and so on) to prove the following mathematically, i do know that based on the numbers from the tooltips a burn should work. The burn might be short, but basic math principles says works.

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Your statements on a burn phase not working at current gears levels and low levels of mastery compared to the bonus stacks are inconsistent. While I do not have all the numbers needed (mana regen per second, missile proc chance, and so on) to prove the following mathematically, i do know that based on the numbers from the tooltips a burn should work. The burn might be short, but basic math principles says works.

What is inconsistent in my statements?

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Your statements on a burn phase not working at current gears levels and low levels of mastery compared to the bonus stacks are inconsistent. While I do not have all the numbers needed (mana regen per second, missile proc chance, and so on) to prove the following mathematically, i do know that based on the numbers from the tooltips a burn should work. The burn might be short, but basic math principles says works.

Please share your math! Genuinely interested here? You used the Markov Chain approach?

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hey

 

just to say that the MoP flasks are 114 intellect while the cataclysme flasks gives you 119intellect

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hey

 

just to say that the MoP flasks are 114 intellect while the cataclysme flasks gives you 119intellect

We've been aware of that for some time, but we believe that this is unintended and is going to get fixed very soon. I wouldn't want to tell people to go and waste gold getting Cataclysm enchants and flask, only for them to find out 2 days later that they bought them for nothing.

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I have personally found it MUCH better to only use 2 missile procs at 4 arcane charges even if u have 3 missile procs. Reasons being is it maximizes your time at 4 stacks of arcane charges. 

 

The scenario often presented is you have 3 missile procs. You use only 2; leaving 1 left over. After you have channeled 2 missile procs u are back at full mana and have room to cast arcane blast 2 more times as well as refresh your nether tempest: providing a total of 3 opportunities to gain a second missile proc. Going with the chances you gain a second missile you channel you 2 missile procs and you are back at full mana, and again have room to cast 2 arcane blasts at full mana, from here you barrage dump and repeat. I found this to be the best rotation.

 

 

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So i have been experimenting with the rotations and have found that it is better to use 2 arcane missiles rather than dumping all 3; reason being is it maximizes your time at 4 stacks in conjunction with gaining full benefits of your mastery.

 

The scenario often presented is you are at 4 stacks with 3 missile procs; instead of dumping all 3, only use 2. After channeling your 2 missiles you should be back at full mana and have room to cast arcane blast 2 more times and refresh your nether tempest, giving you 3 opportunities to gain a second missile proc. Going with the chances you get a second missile proc, you channel your 2 missiles and again you are at full mana. From here you cast arcane blast a couple more times, barrage dump your stacks and repeat.

 

Also, only using missiles when you have at least 2 stacks. Using just 1 missile proc then using arcane blast then barrage dumping really messes with your rhythm throughout the rest of fight and hurts your dps. If you only have one stack of arcane missiles by the time you have reached 4 stacks and refreshed your nether tempest you should immediately barrage dump and save you 1 missile proc for your next 4 stack period.

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I have personally found it MUCH better to only use 2 missile procs at 4 arcane charges even if u have 3 missile procs. Reasons being is it maximizes your time at 4 stacks of arcane charges. 

 

The scenario often presented is you have 3 missile procs. You use only 2; leaving 1 left over. After you have channeled 2 missile procs u are back at full mana and have room to cast arcane blast 2 more times as well as refresh your nether tempest: providing a total of 3 opportunities to gain a second missile proc. Going with the chances you gain a second missile you channel you 2 missile procs and you are back at full mana, and again have room to cast 2 arcane blasts at full mana, from here you barrage dump and repeat. I found this to be the best rotation.

This is more or less what the rotation in our guide tells you to do.

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This is more or less what the rotation in our guide tells you to do.

 

I think the guide is over all good, but i do think that the way it explains how to use arcane missiles is a little vague.

 

 

  1. Cast wow_icon_spell_nature_starfall.jpg Arcane Missiles, if you have 4 stacks of wow_icon_spell_arcane_arcane01.jpg Arcane Charge and 3 charges of Arcane Missiles.
  2. Cast wow_icon_spell_nature_starfall.jpg Arcane Missiles at 4 stacks of wow_icon_spell_arcane_arcane01.jpg Arcane Charge.

 

As explained in my original comment, using all 3 procs isn't nearly as good just using 2 since it greatly increases your time at 4 stacks of arcane charges. This is all from my personal testing and i saw quiet a difference when using this specific rotation. If you feel this guide is satisfactory then feel free to ignore me

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I think the guide is over all good, but i do think that the way it explains how to use arcane missiles is a little vague.

 

As explained in my original comment, using all 3 procs isn't nearly as good just using 2 since it greatly increases your time at 4 stacks of arcane charges. This is all from my personal testing and i saw quiet a difference when using this specific rotation. If you feel this guide is satisfactory then feel free to ignore me

That's because you think too much like a human and are extrapolating! tongue.png

Line 1. doesn't say "Cast Arcane Missiles 2 times" or "Cast Arcane Missiles 3 times". It says to cast Arcane Missiles only once, so you get rid of that 3rd charge and make room for another one. So what the guide advises you to do is to give "getting rid of your 3rd charge of Arcane Missiles" a high priority and give "getting rid of your other 2 charges of Arcane Missiles" a lower priority, lower than casting Arcane Blast when you're over 93% mana (to make the best of your 4 stacks of Arcane Charge, as you are suggesting).

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I half/disagree with the use of Nether tempest for all situations AOE, simply because with supernova I offer more raid assistance. I'll give you a couple examples where Supernova has been shining, and I do just as much DPS.

 

First, trash mobs where the adds are weaker and there is one add that requires a lot of DPS. The single target bonus of Supernova (+100% increased damage on the main target) allows me to focus DPS on the main target while doing considerable damage to the adds around it.

 

This also translates well into fights with adds that have casters. The effect of knocking opponents up in the air is also an interrupt. Real life example? On Garrosh, mind controls are interrupted.

 

The other shining example of Supernova is when you're in a high DPS group and you're blowing through everything quickly. You don't have time to sit and drop arcane blasts to build up charges (I explain why I don't use cone of cold below).

 

On a 45 second CD with 2 charges, you can use arcane explosion and drop Supernova in between pulls.

 

For everything else, I use Nether Tempest because of the damage increase of arcane charges (+50% per charge).

 

Bottom line is that I believe Supernova actually does more damage in situations where you can't get up charges. In cases where you can, I only use it when I have four charges (bad practice probably, but my focus is getting up charges on longer fights first - I also explain why below).

 

Also, I don't use my missiles unless I have 2-3 charges. Right now I have the 4-set bonus and by waiting until I have 2-3 procs, arcane charges are x4 100% of the time and it becomes a rotations of missiles and re-applying NT. I don't drop all 3 when I have it either, I'll use 2, apply NT and that is where I see the most procs. I've had as many as 10 missiles in a row and I barely use any mana. I stay near 100% the whole time. 

 

Also, I don't use alter time anymore. I use Ice Barrier for the absorption and not getting interrupts while dropping Arcane Blasts to get my stacks up (DPS increase). For speed I use the Rapid Displacement glyph so I have 2 charges of blink.

 

I don't use Evanesce either. Don't need it with Ice barrier and rapid displacement (I explain those choices below).

 

I don't use cone of cold... not when you have an increased focus on multistrike and arcane blast with either NT or Supernova. There wouldn't be a need for it at all.

 

Being an arcane mage I think, in WoD will be all about sustaining your arcane charges for as long as possible, especially with a focus on multistrike. It's AOE hell on trash, and single target beast on bosses.

 

Also... I use 5 arcane blasts not four. Arcane charges increase the damage of the next spell used. First cast has no charges, so it boils down like this, AB(1) = 0 charges, AB(2) = 1 charge, AB(3) = 2 charges, AB(4) = 3 charges, AB(5) = max damage with 4 charges. If you stop at 4 blasts, you never get a blast off with maximum power.

 

If you have experience with mana utility, the mana loss is negligible compared to the damage gained.

 

Anyway, that's my 2 cents.

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I half/disagree with the use of Nether tempest for all situations AOE, simply because with supernova I offer more raid assistance. I'll give you a couple examples where Supernova has been shining, and I do just as much DPS.

 

First, trash mobs where the adds are weaker and there is one add that requires a lot of DPS. The single target bonus of Supernova (+100% increased damage on the main target) allows me to focus DPS on the main target while doing considerable damage to the adds around it.

 

This also translates well into fights with adds that have casters. The effect of knocking opponents up in the air is also an interrupt. Real life example? On Garrosh, mind controls are interrupted.

 

The other shining example of Supernova is when you're in a high DPS group and you're blowing through everything quickly. You don't have time to sit and drop arcane blasts to build up charges (I explain why I don't use cone of cold below).

 

On a 45 second CD with 2 charges, you can use arcane explosion and drop Supernova in between pulls.

 

For everything else, I use Nether Tempest because of the damage increase of arcane charges (+50% per charge).

 

Bottom line is that I believe Supernova actually does more damage in situations where you can't get up charges. In cases where you can, I only use it when I have four charges (bad practice probably, but my focus is getting up charges on longer fights first - I also explain why below).

 

Also, I don't use my missiles unless I have 2-3 charges. Right now I have the 4-set bonus and by waiting until I have 2-3 procs, arcane charges are x4 100% of the time and it becomes a rotations of missiles and re-applying NT. I don't drop all 3 when I have it either, I'll use 2, apply NT and that is where I see the most procs. I've had as many as 10 missiles in a row and I barely use any mana. I stay near 100% the whole time. 

 

Also, I don't use alter time anymore. I use Ice Barrier for the absorption and not getting interrupts while dropping Arcane Blasts to get my stacks up (DPS increase). For speed I use the Rapid Displacement glyph so I have 2 charges of blink.

 

I don't use Evanesce either. Don't need it with Ice barrier and rapid displacement (I explain those choices below).

 

I don't use cone of cold... not when you have an increased focus on multistrike and arcane blast with either NT or Supernova. There wouldn't be a need for it at all.

 

Being an arcane mage I think, in WoD will be all about sustaining your arcane charges for as long as possible, especially with a focus on multistrike. It's AOE hell on trash, and single target beast on bosses.

 

Also... I use 5 arcane blasts not four. Arcane charges increase the damage of the next spell used. First cast has no charges, so it boils down like this, AB(1) = 0 charges, AB(2) = 1 charge, AB(3) = 2 charges, AB(4) = 3 charges, AB(5) = max damage with 4 charges. If you stop at 4 blasts, you never get a blast off with maximum power.

 

If you have experience with mana utility, the mana loss is negligible compared to the damage gained.

 

Anyway, that's my 2 cents.

I modified the explanations for Tier 5 talents, to make some room for Supernova in multiple-target situations.

Regarding your Arcane Charge suggestions, I don't think anything in the guide goes against what you said.

I highly disagree with your take on Alter Time though. Ice Barrier costs a global cooldown to cast, so that's a DPS loss, when Alter Time is not.

I'm not sure I understand what you are trying to say regarding a "focus on multistrike".

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There are no situations when you do 5 Ablasts. You generally get AM in between so you can channel one AM and let mana get up. Sims show that the sweet spot is to start casting Arcane Blast when you are at 93% mana at the start of your cast. 
Not using CoC because of Multistrike??? And staying at 4 charges as long as possible? From my experience in WoD you rather want to cycle in between as fast as possible and get as many AM's out as possible at 4 charges.

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I modified the explanations for Tier 5 talents, to make some room for Supernova in multiple-target situations.

Regarding your Arcane Charge suggestions, I don't think anything in the guide goes against what you said.

I highly disagree with your take on Alter Time though. Ice Barrier costs a global cooldown to cast, so that's a DPS loss, when Alter Time is not.

I'm not sure I understand what you are trying to say regarding a "focus on multistrike".

 

There are no situations when you do 5 Ablasts. You generally get AM in between so you can channel one AM and let mana get up. Sims show that the sweet spot is to start casting Arcane Blast when you are at 93% mana at the start of your cast. 

Not using CoC because of Multistrike??? And staying at 4 charges as long as possible? From my experience in WoD you rather want to cycle in between as fast as possible and get as many AM's out as possible at 4 charges.

 

 

re-reading my own post I need to clarify a couple things. First of all, keep in mind that a lot of stuff is broken right now.

 

1. Arcane Blasts x5 - For me (572iL with 4 piece tier), going 5 blasts increased my damage output. That 5th blast drops between 19k and 20k damage with 4 stacks of Arcane Charge. I've seen it go as high as 23k damage and it added between 2k-3k DPS output.

 

That may change after WoD drops but for right now doing 5 AB is better than the standard rotation. By the time I get through to my missiles, I'm back to back at full mana anyway. Regen is just ridiculous.

2. My choice of Ice Barrier over Alter Time - in fights where you take damage, push-back and interrupts are * also a DPS loss, and at a 1.5 minute cool down, I get way more utility from Ice Barrier (25 second cool-down), than Alter Time. Even more so in high movement fights.

 

Two reasons for that.

 

a. If you're in a fight in which you take damage sooner than every 1.5 minutes, which is basically every fight now, then Ice Block is definitely the way to go.

 

b. With the increased cast time of arcane blasts (even with my enchants, it is 1.81 seconds), push-backs, which can happen up to two times before I finish cast is longer than the 1 second it takes for a global cool-down use, and with four casts, it's a bigger DPS loss to not have Ice Barrier.

 

The only reason to even use Alter Time now, since they removed the mana and buff effects is health, and for that, I have Greater Invisibility with the same cool-down as Alter Time (1.5 minutes).

 

You may drop more DPS standing on a dummy or in simulation but they don't account for real situations where you take damage and suffer from push-back and interruptions.

 

With the changes in 6.0, I whole heartedly believe that Ice Barrier should be the default choice here.

 

3. Focus on multistrike - by that I mean enhancements, multistrike, leech, versatility, etc. For mages, it is multistrike. For me, multistrike is almost 7% and by making sure that I sustain ACx4 for as long as possible, I see my blasts and explosions hitting multiple times, in between my rotations to barrage, (as in the reason why I say that I think * that sustaining 4 charges for as long as possible will be important to dps).

 

At 572iL on a dummy I'll drop anywhere from 16k to 21k DPS sustained, and do the same in a raid, and that is in between the use of arcane power.

 

On the first point, I may * go back to 4 blasts, but for right now, it's a DPS increase.

 

I hope that better explains why I'm coming at this the way that I am. I spend a lot of time on dummies, but when you get into a raid, it doesn't always work out to perfection. Some things I find I'm getting more damage from that the guide may not agree with. I gotta go with what works.

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So, based on your stat priority, wouldnt you want to gem intellect + Stat? or am i wrong here

No, because you get 10 of a secondary stat on a gem and only 5 of Intellect, so even though Intellect is better, point for point, than some secondary stats, it is not twice as good.

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Athalos, pushback does indeed offer a dps loss but
a) Casting Ice Barries is a GCD you aren't doing damage.

b)Ice Barrier breaks from all AoE not only spells that cause pushback damage. (and most do not)

 

There is absolutely no reason from a dps perspective to pick a GCD defensive over a non GCD defensive.

Considering the ABlast thing I'll have to do a bit more research. YOu might have a point.

 

Edit: Nope you have no point. If your mana regen is high enough that you have regenerated one Arcane Blasts worth of mana during the cast, then you could just as well got for a 6th, 7th, 8th cast.

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Athalos, pushback does indeed offer a dps loss but

a) Casting Ice Barries is a GCD you aren't doing damage.

b)Ice Barrier breaks from all AoE not only spells that cause pushback damage. (and most do not)

 

There is absolutely no reason from a dps perspective to pick a GCD defensive over a non GCD defensive.

Considering the ABlast thing I'll have to do a bit more research. YOu might have a point.

 

Edit: Nope you have no point. If your mana regen is high enough that you have regenerated one Arcane Blasts worth of mana during the cast, then you could just as well got for a 6th, 7th, 8th cast.

 

You don't do any damage in push-back either. Either way you're not doing damage. You're also* not doing damage when you're teleported back to where you are. AT works like blink that way. You can't cast mid blink.

 

(However, I can see someone using a macro [/cast Alter Time /cast Presence of Mind] on a full charge of missiles, then when you are teleported back you can open up with Arcane Barrage and an instant Arcane Blast) - there's an idea, but that's only good every minute and a half (every 3 minutes if you're using Glyph of Arcane Power).

 

Global CD aside, after using Ice Barrier all of your spells are available after 1 second, which means you have a 1 second stop in DPS. I get the reasoning and followed it too, but since they changed it, the question isn't about how long you're not going to be doing DPS, rather WHEN you're going to take damage.

 

You'd have to be able to predict when damage is coming for it to be effective, right? Otherwise you wasted it.

 

In a perfect case scenario where you don't take damage, why would you even need alter time or Ice Barrier?

 

To return to the position you started right? Provided of course you're not too far away like in a high movement fight, or the effect is negated.

 

So, if you know you're only going to take damage once every minute and a half, Alter Time will work great, but how many fights do you think are like that. One, maybe two? If you're not going to take damage at all you don't need either of them.

 

At best you can switch just for that fight. The rest of the time, if you're taking damage, you're losing DPS.

If you take damage once I can see the call for Alter Time because push-back is about the same - 1 second, but if you take damage more than once, what's doing to happen?

 

What if you take damage twice or more, that time accumulates and it will be much longer than 1 second.

 

Here's the best way I've been using Ice Barrier - when I get dotted on a fight and I'm taking damage every second.

 

My main spell is already longer than one second and I can't drop stacks because Greater Invisibility is on cool down - every cast is going to be pushed back, sometimes twice.

If I'm trying to get my Arcane Charges up then what? It's going to take even longer to get them up and I'm losing DPS the whole time that dot is on me. We're talking 4 or more seconds longer considering the cast is almost 2 seconds and you're taking damage per second.

 

That happens more often, a lot more often than only taking damage once every 1 and a half minutes.

 

And in those moments, I can get my stacks up and complete more rotations through the damage and I get more DPS.

 

That's just one real example.

 

Like I said, I understand the reasoning, but when it comes to fights where I take damage, whether it's dots, crap on the ground I'm moving out of, a tank turning to far and there's a cleave on group, or there are enemy abilities with multi-targets, or you're just too close, or a bad pull, or whatever else happens in almost every fight, Ice Barrier wins.

 

A 1 second cost of not doing damage is greater is any number of situations where you take damage sooner than 1.5 minutes.

I can't wait for a perfect storm to use Alter Time, not when I'm taking damage. When we had other shields (I really miss Mana Shield), Alter Time was great, but where we don't really have any other abilities that will stop damage?

I gotta go with what gives me more damage output.

As for 6, 7, 8, etc. casts of Arcane Blast... I rarely go below 93% and regen might be great, but that doesn't mean I get to waste mana either. a 5th blast won't compromise my mana pool. A 6th won't either depending on how much mana I have.

That I would say is something that would be specific to each mage.

It'll work for me, where I ride out arcane missiles and get 7-10 in a row, but maybe not work for you. The only way to really tell that is to test your limits in combat. Find that point where it's too much and hold back from going beyond it.

Damage and DPS is as much per-person (individual) as it is a template to follow.

For example, about 5 seconds before a hero, I'll use Evocation (for the 30% mana over time effect), followed by a supernova on the target for that 100% damage increase and I'll let Arcane Blast rip for 7 or 8 blasts and I won't drop below 93%.

But again, I can do that because I know where my limits are. If I were to go more than 8, I'd be losing a lot of DPS. 

With 7 or 8 I was able to drop around 34k DPS on Malkorok for a burst, and I've done higher from time to time (my best is 58k so far). Where we started Mythic I'm 575iL now, so again, it's that individual factor, but I know I wouldn't have been able to do it if it weren't for Ice Barrier protecting me from those interrupts.

We had someone not run out of the group on that fight, and the week before, a healer we pugged dispelled in the group. Alter Time wouldn't have stopped that.

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Concerning your Ice Barrier reasoning, the idea of defensive CD's is that you won't have to use them. Healers should be able to cope with 18-20k damage every 25 seconds. The power of Alter Time is that you can use it to soak an ability that would bring you down to 10% and then get right back up.

Also what you have wrong is that dots don't trigger pushback, nor do channeled spells. The only thing that triggers spell pushback is auto attacks and general magic damage. Picking Ice Barrier will make you waste 3 GCD's every 25 second (and a GCD for Arcane at 100 will be more than 1 second due to haste levels) whereas alter time lets you soak a huge pool of damage for your group without letting it affect you. 
Also, you have to remember there are disc priests in the raid, so a portion of the cast mini-interrupts will be absorbed by their own absorbs. 
Imo Ice Barrier is more of a) Solo mobs out in the open talent, whereas Alter Time is a 1.5 minute Lay on Hands on yourself.

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If I kept Ice barrier up all the time as part of my rotation, you'd be correct. It would be a horrible DPS loss, but I don't.

 

What I'm advocating is the use of a flexible spell for when you take unpredictable damage sooner than a minute and a half, so your spell casting isn't interrupted.

 

During periods where you know you're going to take huge amounts of damage, Greater Invisibility will reduce damage by 90% both during, and for 3 seconds after you exit. And as it too has a cool down of 1.5 minutes, to me, it's a better choice than Alter Time anyway.

 

The only time I ever used Alter Time before the patch was as part of my burn phase. I'd wait until I had 2 stacks of missiles, drop mirror image, then blow Arcane Power and Alter Time and double up on my burn phase. Either that, or on Garrosh, use it before mind controls went out and it would drop it when I ported back.

 

But now, it's useless to me because it relies on too many IF situations to be viable.

 

You assume IF the healers can keep up with damage and IF you have the right combination of healers in the first place and IF their abilities aren't on cool down and IF you know when damage is coming, and IF it's not on cool down because you used it already and damage is happening faster than a minute and a half, and IF a lot of things.

 

Way too many assumptions for a minute and a half cool down, of which you already have one.

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Nah, I'm assuming healers can do their jobs. Ice barrier shields just a fickle of damage, so if they can't keep you up, even using it is not going to help the raid (a.k.a wipe). If you don't use it on cooldown, then you further devalue the value of the shield overal. Assume it would shield for 25k and you use it on CD you have 1k per second they have to heal you. However this is bound to break on the first type of AoE.  
Alter Time usage: 
On Tectus you can take a laser with AT, kite it to nigeria, reactivate Alter Time, be in position have fun dpsing.
On The Stone Hands guy, you can use it to reposition yourself behind a second crystal while being out of position.
Ice Barrier is just a spell that is simple to use, good at what it does, but in a raiding environment nowhere near as good as a 1.5 minute cooldown taht resets both Health and positioning. 
There is only 1 time when IB > AT which is when you have to take damage during an instance that exceeds your health pool. Then and only then would IB > AT IF you don't have a disc priest that can shield you from it.
Oh and IB>AT on any questing you do of course :P

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I've been in too many raids where there isn't a discipline priest and healers that aren't so hot, or tanks that require extra attention from healers. I'm not using IB for damage mitigation, but interruption protection during damage periods.

 

For big damage moments Greater Invisibility is what I prefer, and I rarely ever have to move further than a blink away. To me AT is just a bit redundant.

 

Then again, that's kinda why they made a lot of changes, so there's more than one way to skin a cat.

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Maybe this has been answered before, but a brief search turned up nothing for me, does taking mastery beyond 100% do anything for arcane mages or is it wasted stats at that point?

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      Jdotb: A few things: first, try to find a group that you can run with all the time so you can develop solid communication and start building some in-house strats. Being on the same page as your group is incredibly important. Five pretty good players being vocal, knowing what mobs will be pulled, etc. will beat five all stars that haven’t played together. Second, make a lot of equipment sets and get comfortable switching among them. One for avoidance cap, one for trash aoe, one for pure single target, etc. It helps a lot to tailor your equipment to each specific encounter. Third, watch vods and steal strats.  You can find other groups doing a lot of really innovative stuff if you pay attention.  Don’t try to reinvent the wheel every dungeon.

      Shakib: The best advice I can give to anyone trying  to become better at M+ is to play with the same people. It doesn’t have to be the same exact 5 people every single time since some people might not be able to ALWAYS play. I personally play regularly with 10-15 people. Sure, I try to stick with the same 5 as much as possible during a push week and that would be the best scenario for everyone, but it can be hard sometimes so at least having people you know or have played with before helps a lot. Having to explain the strats to a new person will slow down your progression and might even make it not enjoyable.
       
      What would be the top 3 tips you would give to other high M+ teams?
      Jdotb: Sometimes you will have to replace people if you want to push for world firsts. It sucks, but it’s necessary. Prioritize playing with people that are available all the time. It’s hard to overcome playing infrequently even if it’s with really good people. Always be open to new strats for your runs.  If someone asks, “Why do we…” or “Why don’t we…”, take the time to really consider if there isn’t a better way.
      Shakib: At the highest level of m+ you have to treat 90% of the mechanics as if they are going to kill or nearly kill you. Mechanics that you used to ignore now become deadly. This applies for bosses and trash. Communication is key. I do think that having people that call out CC throughout the dungeon is very important. At a very high lvl overlapping a 6 second silence with a stun can result in a wipe, especially in huge packs where 1 cast goes off and the dungeon is over.
       
      You mostly use the same setup for your runs, could you talk about the choices there and why your class/spec is the best for this type of play? 
      Darkee: Windwalker brings high damage and “good enough” survivability. It really shines in mass aoe pulls due to our exponential scaling with Spinning Crane Kick. This allows the other 2 dps to bring more single target focused builds. We also have exceptional burst damage for high priority short lived adds (one example being the adds that shield the third boss in Seat).
      Jdotb: Four of us (Shakib, Mitt, Marvin and Jdotb) have been running together for several months. Darkee is a recent addition. His spec (Windwalker) does the most dps of any class in m+ right now by a country mile. Windwalker defensives are ok but not great, but Windwalker dps is so good that it doesn’t matter. The common theme among the rest of us is that our classes are very good at living.
      Marvink: Our group composition just sort of fell into place. For me, affliction will always have its place in high dungeons. Their damage is very competitive but a large portion of their appeal is the insane personal self-sustain. Having one less person the healer has to worry about a lot of the time helps quite a bit. As there are many dungeons with demons this expansion, Banish is very helpful in some dungeons on Bolstering and Bursting week allowing you to pull a little larger than you would without it. And don’t forget the important Arcway buff through enslave demon.
      Shakib:  Vengeance demon hunter: While dh’s don’t bring much group utility (ex: BoP, Leech aura, Battle res…) we bring an insane utility toolkit (trash control) and the strongest overall damage during a dungeon for a tank spec. We also have very good self sustain, especially during Metamorphosis, which almost makes us invincible. The great self-sustain lets our resto druid have even more globals to dps.
      Restoration Druid: The reason that druid is one of the two top pick for a healer spec is mainly because of their survivability via bear form and Barkskin. On top of that they are able to heal pretty much any situation while dealing a pretty decent chunk of damage if they pick the talent Feral Affinity. Ironbark is a very nice external on a short cooldown. Typhoon during a sanguine week is a lifesaver. Brez is definitly a big plus.
      Affliction Warlock: This spec is currently great at everything. They have a multitude of talents to pick from which our lock swaps between depending on the dungeon. Their damage is top tier while also having insane survivability (several defensives, the self-healing from drain is powerful, lets you somewhat ignore some mechanics while healing through them). Really good utility also for many situations. Stun, gateway, the decurse from the infernal pet but most importantly they can enable huge pulls by equipping Sacrolash's Dark Strike which slows every enemy affected by Corruption by 60%. This allows us to do some big pulls where I kite and the dps take care of the pack without having to deal with mechanics (mostly used in dungeons like Neltharion’s lair, Blackrook and seat). Healthstones <3
      Balance druid: Once again, same as resto druids you are basically never worried of a balance druid dying during intense damage taken periods because of their bear form. Brez and Typhoon are also nice to have. While not having a low cooldown interrupt can be an annoyance on heavy casting fights like Medivh in Upper Kharazan, Solar Beam is extremely strong for huge caster pulls - 8 seconds of silence is HUGE.
      Windwalker monk: This is a recent pick up, while windwalkers have always been a really good dps pick for m+ they were lacking survivability to justify bringing them. With the start of the new tier windwalker monks have been destroying dps meters which made us pick Darkee as our 5th. They always have cooldowns up. Leg sweep is the best aoe stun in the game. We also really like playing with 1 melee in our comp.
       
      If you had to pick the single strongest and weakest class and spec for pushing high M+, what would they be?
      Darkee: I think class balance is more like a tier list rather than clear-cut winners and losers. However, if I had to choose the best/worst, Mistweaver would be the worst. There are many contenders for best but my vote goes toward affliction lock. Strong damage, very strong survivability and they bring utility in the form of healthstones/gates/summons/soulstone.
      Shakib:  Affliction warlock is definitely the strongest overall spec. Good at everything, great survival, great utility. I can’t think of a downside of bringing a warlock. I would usually bash on Shadow priests but I think enhance shaman is the weakest key pushing spec in the game, not only are they melee which makes them more vulnerable to dying in big packs but they also have probably the weakest defensive toolkit in the game. From what I’ve heard they have really good single target and 3-4 target cleave but after that pretty much any other class is better.
       
      Do you feel Blizzard have done a good job with class balance throughout Legion? And do you have high hopes for BfA in this regard?
      Darkee: This answer would just be salt coming from a windwalker main (Rank 1 Krosus parse getting beat by rank 830 warrior parse). However, I think balance will be much easier in BFA with the removal of tier sets.
      Marvink: M+ has basically always been ruled by how much AoE burst you can get, you can always pull more if you have the damage. There’s always been some sort of mix of classes and trinkets that just rule the scene and not much has been done to limit the effectiveness of them outside of raids, one gets changes and another one takes its place.
      Shakib: The class balance has been decent throughout the xpac, the main balance that I would like to see is defensive changes. The defensive toolkit a class has is usually the main reason they are brought into a high m+ dungeon. Blizzard has surprised me several times this expansion when it comes to dungeons. Never did I think there would be this many changes done to balance dungeons out, it’s not a perfect balance but at least we know that they care about dungeons a lot more than before. They even hotfixed some of the bugs or “exploits” that were happening pretty quickly recently. Especially having a dungeon tournament hosted by blizzard themselves so my hopes are very high for BfA and future expansions.
       
          
      Let’s start from the most obvious: rank the dungeons in order of difficulty on the highest M+ numbers.
      Mittbitt : (Most difficult) Seat of the Triumvirate - Some of the trash is always brutal regardless of affixes, and the the last two bosses can make or break your key.
      Maw of Souls - The trash is not too controllable and does significant damage to all players, and the second boss can get fairly chaotic. Also the timer is not generous at all.
      Neltharion’s Lair- Ularogg Cragshaper, and Dargrul eat up a significant amount of time overall for the key by getting an undesired transition or add. Also the trash in the dungeon is very strong, specifically the scorpions at the end.
      Darkheart Thicket- Dresaron and Shade of Xavius can be quite scary, more so Xavius requires a great deal of durability.
      Halls of Valor -Hyrja can be a big block in whether or not you can complete the key, and some of the trash can be quite difficult if not dealt with correctly.
      Black Rook Hold - The bosses can be challenging, however the trash gets hard to deal with quickly.
      Upper Karazhan - Each boss has their own element making them difficult, however Shade and Mana Devourer can get messy and require extra coordination to kill.
      Lower Karazhan - Overall I don’t feel that this dungeon is exceptionally difficult, however the Mounted Strike can chunk anyone in melee range of Attumen the Huntsman, and unless you have a comp to cheese Garrotes, Moroes can get sketchy quickly.
      Eye of Azshara - The only two scary bosses in here are Lady Hatecoil, and Wrath of Azshara. Although not too difficult the winds pushing players around is obnoxious and can get very dangerous very quickly.
      Vault of the Wardens - The trash and the mini bosses are quite dangerous, other than that avoiding extra phases on Glazer are one of the essential parts to getting more time available in the key.
      The Arcway - Getting left side at the beginning of they key makes the timer much more relaxed and makes it the easiest key, unfortunately we did not get left side on our timed 27. What makes this key particularly difficult is Ivanyr, Nal’tira, and the large amount of time that Advisor Vandros takes up.
      (Least difficult) Court of Stars - Overall the trash is not too difficult, and mainly only the second boss is frightening as the damage caps early on the last boss, and the first boss is straightforward.
      Shakib: Lower-arcway-vault-court-upper-eye of azshara-blackrook hold-cathedral-darkheart-neltharion-halls of valor-maw-seat.
       
      If you could change a few dungeons which would they be and how would you change them?
      Darkee: Something needs to be done about that entire archer area in Blackrook. Getting through it with me only dying twice is considered a success. I would make it so you can’t out-range shoot but drastically lower the damage it deals.
      Marvink: I’d remove the very far back Warden spawn in Seat, and add a profession to the Starlight Rose Brew in Court of Stars. I’d also make Hyrja only able to cast the ability she’s currently linked to, not if she just has stacks.
      Mittbitt : I would reduce the amount of role play in some dungeons, such as the Court of Stars boat ride and talking, Neltharion’s Lair waterfalls and maybe even the shuffling of the rocks on Ularogg Cragshaper.
      Shakib: Court of stars: The rng on the buffs is interesting and cute at low lvl keys but becomes frustrating when you need a perfect buff combination (on top of having people change professions just to maybe have it up during your 1 run) to finish a key in time. I think in m+ it should either be a set combination of buffs or just disable all of them just like we saw in the MDI.
      Seat: similar to CoS, the warden locations should be set spawns.
      Arcway: Having a 50/50 on the door that’s open at the start is another point that can greatly impact the dungeon time (maybe less if warlocks wouldn’t be able to control the OP chaosbringer pet on the left side of the dungeon). Maybe a decent fix would be a toggle left/right as you start the keystone depending on the side you think your comp can clear faster on.
       
      Which is your favorite and least favorite dungeon to run?
      Darkee: My favorite is Upper with Court being a close second. Least favorite is easily Blackrook.
      Marvink: My favorite dungeon by far is Court of Stars. I despise Halls of Valor (I’m look at you Hyrja).
      Mittbitt : My favorite dungeon to run is currently Vault of the Wardens. I enjoy the layout of the dungeon and how it allows me to optimize my cooldowns. My least favorite dungeon to run is Upper Karazhan, I do not enjoy the bosses, nor the tuning for the dot on Mana Devourer.
      Shakib: Favorite dungeon is hands down Lower Kharazan. There’s nothing I love more than pulling big and lower is a goldmine of huge trash packs. Turns out dh’s are also quite strong at doing exactly what I love :). (Seat is really close behind.) My least favorite dungeon has to be Neltharion’s lair. Even though it is a pretty straight forward dungeon there’s something about the environment and the mob type that just gets to me.
       
      What are the easiest affixes and do they vary from dungeon to dungeon?
      Shakib: I would say that the Sanguine, Volcanic, Fortified set of affixes is the easiest for 12 out of the 13 available dungeons. The one that stands out as not a “harder” dungeon but just much slower. A LOT of time gets wasted during the scavenger hallway. I would say that the easiest set of affixes for Blackrook Hold is Teeming, Quaking, Fortified, the pulls are usually really big pulls so adding a couple mobs here and there doesn’t slow you down as much as people may think in there, at least not as much as Sanguine.
       
      Are there some affix combos you just will not get out of bed in the morning for?
      Darkee: Teeming Explosive is a bad joke. Explosive in general is just not fun. It doesn’t help that monks deal 50% less damage to them during our main cd, and our main cd is up at the start of every big pull. I just don’t play unless I have to during Explosive.
      Jdotb: Obviously some of the affix combinations are particularly disgusting, but we’ll run keys most every day regardless. We’re fiends. At the very least, affixes like Bolstering and Tyrannical make you appreciate the Volcanics and Fortifieds.
      Marvink: Bolstering, Explosive, Tyrannical. Not my cup of tea for that amount of trash management, and marathon boss fights are never fun.
      Mittbitt : I will always get out of bed for some mythic plus regardless of the affix combos, however the affix combo that least excites me is Bolstering, Grievous, Tyrannical.
       
      What do you think of the current affixes as they are now? Which should be changed or even removed completely and are there any you’d like to see added in BfA?
      Jdotb: Tyrannical is the big offender at the moment. You don’t have to dive very deep into the analytics to see that all the highest keys are on Fortified weeks. The 40% hp on Tyrannical is the problem - it just makes the bosses take waaaaay too long. The damage bump is fine where it’s at, but the hp buff needs to be cut to at most 25%, maybe even 20%. Bosses are already the hardest parts of high keys because of scaling; making them do more damage AND live almost half again as long is insurmountable.
      Bolstering is probably a bit too punishing. If you screw up, you can’t really undo it without wiping. If the Bolstering buff had a duration (maybe 10-15s) or a cap (maybe 10 stacks) it would be a lot more palatable.
      Explosive starts to feel a little overwhelming on high keys because the orb health scales with the key level so instead of just requiring a global cooldown, the orbs now need people to focus them for several casts.
      Volcanic is a joke now that probably needs to be reworked. It isn’t threatening and half the time it doesn’t even require you to move.
      Quaking for the most part is ok but can be devastating on boss fights where you absolutely need your Prydaz, Xavaric's Magnum Opus shield up to live through certain mechanics. There isn’t a way to play around that currently. If Quaking always did damage to your hp pool directly instead of eating shields, I think it would improve the affix a lot.
      Mittbitt : I feel that Tyrannical needs some tuning, possibly by dropping the hp that bosses receive and beefing up trash more. However, Tyrannical boss hp and abilities get out of control much sooner, and honestly are the least enjoyable mythic plus weeks where we typically farm 20-24 keys.
       
      What’s your favorite, least favorite and funniest “trick” you’ve used in the past to get that tier done in time?
      Jdotb: My favorite trick would have to be keeping the cats in the front of DHT from jumping. That made the instance so much less frustrating.
      Least favorite trick is delaying on the second platform of Viz’aduum. He always targets me with the disintegrate so I have to spend a minute or two running back and forth between two spots.
      Funniest trick was probably taunting Ularogg to keep him from going underground (has since been fixed) - if you were successful, he would instantly punch you really hard and probably kill you on higher keys, so the taunt “winner” would usually be the dead guy.
       
      That's it for the first part of this interview, we had to cut it up into two for, well, obvious reasons! Huge thanks to the Mythic + crew for the insightful answers and you check back in a few days when we finish this up with their thoughts on addons, raiding and its impact on M+,  the Mythic Dungeon Invitational, their suggestions for the future of M+ and much more!
    • By Stan

      Call of the Scarab micro-holiday is back with new temporary faction mounts. The event is active through January 23, 2018 and the mounts last for 7 days.
      2018 Updates
      Players who have completed Antorus, the Burning Throne raid need to talk to Rhonormu near the gong to enter the correct event phase of Silithus. The Scarab Lord Black Qiraji Resonating Crystal mount received a brand new model this year. You can find more information here. Two new mounts can be purchased for 1 Abyssal Crest during the event. Ruby Qiraji Resonating Crystal can be purchased from Warlord Gorchuk. Sapphire Qiraji Resonating Crystal can be purchased from Field Marshal Snowfall. The mounts are not permanent and last for 7 days. Blizzard (Source)
      *1/21- The Call of the Scarab Micro-Holiday is now live. Players who have completed Antorus , the Burning Throne and who are in a different phase can speak to Rhonormu near the gong to enter the correct event phase.
      On January 23, 2006, a bloody war was triggered by a simple sound: the banging of a gong. No rallying fanfare, no bloodthirsty yell; just an eerie silence. Those long, uneasy seconds of dread. The calm before the storm.
      Standing shoulder-to-shoulder before the Scarab Wall, no one could have predicted what would happen—an epic ten-hour battle that claimed the lives of thousands of Azeroth’s bravest—or fully comprehended the effect it would have.
      ACTION FIRST, FACTION SECOND
      That’s not to say the battle at the gates of Ahn’Qiraj came as a surprise. When the menace of C’Thun turned into an urgent threat, leaders across the world pored over plans and forged unlikely connections as pressure mounted. Both factions knew war was coming and personal glory was a hubris no-one could risk. Any notion that one army could defeat General Rajaxx and his colossal battalion was soon abandoned as fantasy.
      It was a unique time: scattered armies with varying allegiances were thrown together and faction pride was put aside. Let’s be clear: the battle at Ahn’Qiraj was won purely on the principle “united we stand, divided we fall.”
      WARMONGERING VS. GOLD HUNGERING
      This uneasy alliance was not without its critics. Some showed their disapproval by shunning the war effort altogether, but others expressed opposition through acts of aggression. Rogue elements on both sides, unwilling to stomach this perceived betrayal of their faction, did not sit idle. Just as neutral auction houses became a tool for factions to share resources, they also became virtual battlegrounds. Crucial resources were picked up for next-to-nothing and sold on for personal gain. As with all wars, those who profit aren’t always the brave.
      The sheer scale of that war effort is almost unimaginable when we live in a time of extended storage and fast mail. But back then, backpacks and cloth stacks were smaller. Getting precious resources gathered, sorted, and sent took many hours. And it took several weeks to source bandages, food, and equipment—resources that were in high demand and would soon dwindle.
      THE IMPORTANCE OF REMEMBRANCE
      There are parallels with current events that are impossible to ignore: once more, we Azerothians stand united against the Burning Legion as they wreak havoc across the Broken Isles. We attempt to put aside a complex, bitter history in order to defeat a common enemy. We eye each other suspiciously, even as we fight side by side.
      We would do well, in these dark times, to remember the courage and spirit of those who were there at the Gates of Ahn’Qiraj. We must have long memories if we’re to make quick work of the demon forces we now face.
      From January 21–23 we ask that you join us as we remember the fallen and celebrate the victory. All of Azeroth are invited to a special holiday, ‘Call of the Scarab,’ where we will gather to perform acts of remembrance and share our factions’ pride.
    • By Jovovich
      World of Warcraft - [Horde][US-Arthas]Unhuman - Francais - 2/11M - www.unhuman.ca
      Unhuman est à la recherche de nouveaux visages qui seraient intéressés à joindre ses rangs!
      Forum: http://forum.unhuman.ca/forum/7-recrutement/
      Raiding:
      - [Raid] Undying AtBT: 2/11M, 11/11H, 2soir, Mardi et Mercredi 7hpm à 10h30hpm  (EST)
      - [Raid] Baguettes & Squareheads AtBT: 1/11M, 11/11H, 2soir, Mardi et Jeudi 7h30pm à 10h30hpm (EST)
      - [Raid] Casual as Fuck AtBT: 9/11H, 1soir, Mercredi 7hpm à 10h30hpm  (EST)
      PvP:
      - [PvP] Unhuman RBG: 1800 rating, 1soir Dimanche des 9hpm (EST)
      Communauté:
      - Plus de  450 accounts
      Unhuman est plus qu'une guilde de raiding performante, c'est aussi la plus grosse communauté Francophone sur World of Warcraft US. Depuis sa création en 2006, Unhuman cherche à offrir à ses raiders un environnement de jeu qui favorise la progression et ce avec des joueurs d'excellent calibre. Nous sommes constamment à la recherche de nouveaux joueurs que ce soit PVE ou PVP, mais aussi des masters du Pet Battles, des champions de l'Archéologie ou peu importe ce qui vous branche ingame. Vous êtes donc assuré de trouver ce que vous cherchez chez nous peu importe votre style de jeu.
      Pour toutes questions...
      - http://unhuman.ca/
      - Jovovich-Arthas, Guild Master
      - Falfuris-Arthas, Officier
      - Shockadins-Arthas, Officier
    • By Jovovich
      World of Warcraft - [Horde][US-Arthas]Unhuman - French - 2/11M - www.unhuman.ca
      Unhuman is RECRUITING!
      Forum: http://forum.unhuman.ca/forum/7-recrutement/
      Raiding:
      - [Raid] Undying AtBT: 2/11M,11/11H, 2day, Tuesday and Wednesday 7hpm to 10h30hpm  (EAST)
      - [Raid] Baguettes & Squareheads AtBT:1/11M, 11/11H, 2day, Tuesday and Thursday 7h30pm to 10h30hpm (EAST)
      - [Raid] Casual as Fuck AtBT: 9/11H, 1day, Wednesday 7hpm to 10h30hpm (EAST)
      PvP:
      - [PvP] Unhuman RBG: 1800 rating, 1day Sunday starting at 9hpm (EAST)
       
      Community:
      - More than 450 account
      Unhuman is a performing raiding guild with multiple raid groups, it's one of the biggest, for not saying the biggest one, french community on World of Warcraft US. Unhuman has been created in December 2006 and will continue to live for a long time, Unhuman is trying to give to our raiders everything they need to be focus only on good progression!. Unhuman is always looking for new players of all kind, PvE or PvP, even with Battle pets or Archeologists or anything else you can do in the game....You will be sure to find your way with Unhuman!
      For any question...
      - http://unhuman.ca/
      - Jovovich-Arthas, Guild Master
      - Falfuris-Arthas, Officier
      - Shockadins-Arthas, Officier
    • By Casdon
      [US] Stormreaver — Skunkworks
      Tuesdays & Thursdays: 7:00 P.M. to 11:00 P.M. (pst) || 9-1 (cst) || 10-2 (est)
       
      Progression
      7/11M Antorus
      9/9M ToS
      10/10M Nighthold
      3/3M Trial of Valor
      7/7M Emerald Nightmare
       
      Website
      skunkworksguild.com
       
      About Us
      Skunkworks is a guild for players who can not or do not want to commit to the time-intensive raid schedules of traditional "hardcore" guilds.
      However, we still maintain a high caliber player environment and make an efficient use of our raiding time.
      We raid Tuesdays and Thursdays from 7:00 - 11:00 PST, just 8 hours a week and never more.
       
      We are very protective of our guild environment and selective in recruitment. We are looking for solid players mechanically as well as intellectually.
      We all get paid to deal with idiots, why should we pay to spend our leisure time with them as well?
       
      Skunkworks has been around for multiple expansions and has historically always been at the top of the 2-night raiding guild scene.
       
      Past Raiding Achievements
       
      #US 199 Mythic KJ #US 186 Mythic Archimonde #131 US Heroic Garrosh #68 US Heroic Ra-den #77 US Heroic Lei Shen #86 US Heroic Sha of Fear #106 US Heroic Madness of Deathwing #99 US Heroic Ragnaros #147 US Sinestra #91 US Heroic The Twilight Destroyer (Halion) #71 US Heroic Fall of the Lich King #247 US Tribute to Insanity #160 US Alone in the Darkness Current Guild Needs
      Amazing Range DPS ---Exceptional Candidates always considered regardless of recruiting needs.
       
      How to Apply
      Apply with Google Forms
      https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeL-LW1-7rRK28Z3Nswg4xD3-jjQWrIsCh77rYOdxKwY0oPPQ/viewform.
      All applications are kept private.
      Please include at least the following.
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      Contact Information
      Shadaka (GM)
      Real ID:Shadak#1881
       
      Aerivore (Recruitment Officers)
      Real ID:  Aerivore#1581
       
      Sovm
      Real ID: Sov#1192