Confused with hunter's stats prio for MM spec

[Bombonate 0]

Hello there, 

 

I have been following your guide about stats prio for MM spec, but lately i am kind of confused. Is it possible for you to guide me through stats selection? some guides say ms>crit and some others 35% crit >ms.

Niix has updated the hunter all inclusive section for mm spec with MS> 43% crit. That's why i'm here asking for enlightment.

Many people are depended on this guide, so please, give us a path to follow

 

Thank you.

 

[Pestenoire 0]

As i understood, it is 38% crit unbuffed. That's because with Careful Aim passive and 5% raid crit buff we get 103% crit on Boss which equals 100%.

This was what i was reading these days on the forum here.

[Niix 169]

I switched it to MS > Crit because in my absence Azor came up with a lot of new information that puts it ahead. I still encourage everyone to sim their own character instead of relying on a general guideline. I've added a tutorial at the top of the Inclusive Guide.

[Niix 169]

I switched it to MS > Crit because in my absence Azor came up with a lot of new information that puts it ahead. I still encourage everyone to sim their own character instead of relying on a general guideline. I've added a tutorial at the top of the Inclusive Guide.

 

To elaborate on this, SV is better than MM on a lot of the fights, Kargath Stands, Twins, Imperator, Tectus and Brackenspore simply because of multi-dotting with Serpent Sting now. So the weights are kindof there assuming you'll be swapping specs a lot.

[Pestenoire 0]

I happen to read it know of the changes. But i was wondering how can we stack so much multistrike with the equip available now? I was able to get to 35% crit buffed, but my multistrike is just 10% buffed. Should we keep it like this until new equipment is available or should we try to sim how for example we would do with enchants, gems etc. of multistrike instead of crit?

Talking about MM right now.

[Niix 169]

I happen to read it know of the changes. But i was wondering how can we stack so much multistrike with the equip available now? I was able to get to 35% crit buffed, but my multistrike is just 10% buffed. Should we keep it like this until new equipment is available or should we try to sim how for example we would do with enchants, gems etc. of multistrike instead of crit?

Talking about MM right now.

 

I would say the generalized weights lean more towards MS if you have a decent amount of crit. I would still aim for 38% unbuffed ideally. So get as much crit and MS as you can, but don't worry about prioritizing either.

[Pestenoire 0]

ok thanks for the advices, now i'll try to simcraft the enchants and gems switching and see what happens :)

[Bombonate 0]

Thank you very much guys! I think i'm getting closer to a conclusion on my problem :)

[Negativity 0]

Hope this gets a response even tho im just tacking onto a related issue and not making a different thread but

 

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/proudmoore/Oghrim/advanced

 

I keep seeing stuff about reaching a crit threshold before swapping to multistrike and all my enchants have been crit towards that purpose. Not even sure what the crit threshold is, I've heard 32% 35% and 38% so idek whats the correct number here.

 

On top of that, I ran my sim using the guidelines and multistrike is .2~ higher than crit as a statweight for me. Anyone have any knowledge about whether or not this is only the case because I've been gearing and enchanting for crit? i don't want to swap my enchants to multistrike and find out the statweight is just gonna swing the other way cuz I crossed whatever crit threshold to make multistrike better even though my unbuffed crit is only 29.43%.

 

Just looking for feedback or recommendations from people who are more knowledgeable about using simcraft since Im a beginner.

[Iridar 80]

Hope this gets a response even tho im just tacking onto a related issue and not making a different thread but

 

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/proudmoore/Oghrim/advanced

 

I keep seeing stuff about reaching a crit threshold before swapping to multistrike and all my enchants have been crit towards that purpose. Not even sure what the crit threshold is, I've heard 32% 35% and 38% so idek whats the correct number here.

 

On top of that, I ran my sim using the guidelines and multistrike is .2~ higher than crit as a statweight for me. Anyone have any knowledge about whether or not this is only the case because I've been gearing and enchanting for crit? i don't want to swap my enchants to multistrike and find out the statweight is just gonna swing the other way cuz I crossed whatever crit threshold to make multistrike better even though my unbuffed crit is only 29.43%.

 

Just looking for feedback or recommendations from people who are more knowledgeable about using simcraft since Im a beginner.

The easiest way to use find out is just sim yourself with crit enchants, then with multistrike enchants, and see which is better. 

 

1. Import your gear into simcraft. 

2. First line of the simcraft profile is its name, by default "Oghrim_Active". Make it "crit_enchants".

3. Your gear will be listed at the bottom of the simcraft profile. 

4. At the very bottom of the simcraft profile, create a new line:

copy=multistrike_enchants

Then, below that line copy all your gear:

head=hood_of_dispassionate_execution,id=113608,bonus_id=566
neck=flechetteriddled_chain,id=113647,bonus_id=563,gems=50crit,enchant=40crit
shoulders=undying_spaulders,id=114519,bonus_id=84
back=flawless_crystaledged_bladecloak,id=116969,enchant=gift_of_critical_strike
chest=mosswoven_mailshirt,id=113654,bonus_id=560/563,gems=50crit
tabard=tushui_tabard,id=83079
wrists=bracer_of_amputation,id=116030,bonus_id=42/560
hands=grips_of_vicious_mauling,id=113593
waist=rockhide_links,id=109835,bonus_id=524
legs=longshot_legguards,id=118976,bonus_id=21
feet=treads_of_sand_and_blood,id=113595
finger1=spellsink_signet,id=113843,enchant=50crit
finger2=timeless_solium_band_of_the_assassin,id=118297,enchant=50crit
trinket1=grandiose_plans,id=114549,bonus_id=40
trinket2=scales_of_doom,id=113612
main_hand=shredirons_shredder,id=109168,bonus_id=84/531/559,enchant=megawatt_filament

Now manually change all gems and enchants to multistrike. Just basically write "mult" instead of "crit". Don't forget the weapon enchant as well. The result will look like this:

head=hood_of_dispassionate_execution,id=113608,bonus_id=566
neck=flechetteriddled_chain,id=113647,bonus_id=563,gems=50mult,enchant=40mult
shoulders=undying_spaulders,id=114519,bonus_id=84
back=flawless_crystaledged_bladecloak,id=116969,enchant=gift_of_multistrike
chest=mosswoven_mailshirt,id=113654,bonus_id=560/563,gems=50mult
tabard=tushui_tabard,id=83079
wrists=bracer_of_amputation,id=116030,bonus_id=42/560
hands=grips_of_vicious_mauling,id=113593
waist=rockhide_links,id=109835,bonus_id=524
legs=longshot_legguards,id=118976,bonus_id=21
feet=treads_of_sand_and_blood,id=113595
finger1=spellsink_signet,id=113843,enchant=50mult
finger2=timeless_solium_band_of_the_assassin,id=118297,enchant=50mult
trinket1=grandiose_plans,id=114549,bonus_id=40
trinket2=scales_of_doom,id=113612
main_hand=shredirons_shredder,id=109168,bonus_id=84/531/559,enchant=oglethorpes_missile_splitter

This is what you will get. Pretty much no difference. 

 

This copy-style of simming is extremely useful to compare individual gear pieces to each other as well. 

Edited December 25, 2014 by Iridar

[Negativity 0]

super helpful, thanks for the response iridar

[Fashizl 0]

I believe people are prioritizing multistrike for swapping to SV in some fights.

[Azortharion 60]

They're prioritizing Multistrike because the stats are for all intents and purposes completely equal meaning there's 0 reason to go Crit.

[Minigun 1]

I believe people are prioritizing multistrike for swapping to SV in some fights.

 

Yup.  I have started to do the same with versatility & crit for when I swap to MM.