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Has anyone else read this 5.1 change? http://www.arenajunkies.com/topic/232856-chaos-bolt-nerf-in-51/

That is the link to where I read it. It seems a little weird to me, only nerfing it with GoSac, at the same time I am pissed because its so easy to prevent that cast its dumb, if you cant cc or interrupt a 3 sec cast after you dispell GoSac, you shouldnt be PVPing... imho

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Has anyone else read this 5.1 change? http://www.arenajunk...olt-nerf-in-51/

That is the link to where I read it. It seems a little weird to me, only nerfing it with GoSac, at the same time I am pissed because its so easy to prevent that cast its dumb, if you cant cc or interrupt a 3 sec cast after you dispell GoSac, you shouldnt be PVPing... imho

As a Warlock who loves Chaos Bolting people, not many people can elude a skilled Destruction Warlock's Chaos Bolt. No good Warlock is going to start casting a 3 second cast without their opponent being in some sort of CC, particularly a full Fear. What I've found to be an interesting way to get people to blow their trinkets is to Shadow Fury them, then start to cast Chaos Bolt. In panic, they will trinket out and try to interrupt you. All you do is stop the cast and Fear them. They will now suffer a 20 second Fear which allows you time to /poke before casting your wonderfully powered up Chaos Bolt.

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My point was that there is sufficient ability to not let us cast it/hit as hard (dispell GoSac) that if you have a brain you can negate some damage. Player skill is not how blizz balances classes and damage. I think most of us know how to get of multi CB's but the point is that they are taking our burst and putting a quarter of it in sustained DPS.

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