Whirlwind Bul-Kathos Barbarian

[Sharknad0 67]

On 8/17/2017 at 7:22 AM, Guest Oneknight1984 said:

I'm kind new still but looking at the Waste set bonus, you'd think Rend would still be a big part of the build. How come it isn't? Is it because it doesn't do that much damage or something? Just out of curiosity is all. Thanks :)

This will luckily be fixed in the new season with the addition of keeping your DR for a few seconds after stopping WW. Gonna make this spec really fun, an probably bring Rend into play.

[Guest Oneknight1984]

So I currently play offline because no internet but before 2.6.1 hit I was able to do up to grift 65 with only one ancient piece, my legendary gems only lvl 55 each, my stats weren't properly optimized yet and I am currently using the Bul-Kathos weapon set because the Istvans set is a bigger pain to find lol. Speaking of finding Istvans blade set, what's the best way to go about it? Gambling or upgrading non mighty 1h swords or a combo of the two?

My next question is that with the updates to the ww gear set in 2.6.1 I should easily clear 70 first time go shouldn't I?

Also, is rend viable to use again or is it still not recommended to use?

[Valks 2,377]

16 hours ago, Guest Oneknight1984 said:

So I currently play offline because no internet but before 2.6.1 hit I was able to do up to grift 65 with only one ancient piece, my legendary gems only lvl 55 each, my stats weren't properly optimized yet and I am currently using the Bul-Kathos weapon set because the Istvans set is a bigger pain to find lol. Speaking of finding Istvans blade set, what's the best way to go about it? Gambling or upgrading non mighty 1h swords or a combo of the two?

Gambling at Kadala for weapons normally sucks. Upgrading is normally the most efficient way to get them.

16 hours ago, Guest Oneknight1984 said:

My next question is that with the updates to the ww gear set in 2.6.1 I should easily clear 70 first time go shouldn't I?

Probably, yeah. Depends on gear and such, but it shouldn't be hard at all. Keep in mind that you'll need to refarm any legendaries that were changed (non-set ones).

16 hours ago, Guest Oneknight1984 said:

Also, is rend viable to use again or is it still not recommended to use?

Normally only for support.

[Guest]

11 hours ago, Blainie said:

Gambling at Kadala for weapons normally sucks. Upgrading is normally the most efficient way to get them.

 

That is true.

But Oneknight, keep in mind that Kadala is a great way to obtain the needed rare item to upgrade it.

(You just need to be careful that you upgrade the correct item. If you need a One-Hand-Weapon e.g. and you buy 10 one-hand-weapons at Kadala, you will get Daggers, Spears, Swords... Only upgrade the swords to legendary!)

[Arkpit 101]

41 minutes ago, WedgeAntilles said:

But Oneknight, keep in mind that Kadala is a great way to obtain the needed rare item to upgrade it.

(You just need to be careful that you upgrade the correct item. If you need a One-Hand-Weapon e.g. and you buy 10 one-hand-weapons at Kadala, you will get Daggers, Spears, Swords... Only upgrade the swords to legendary!)

I would say this is a very much a waste of bloodshards since you just Craft the rare weapons that you want to upgrade.

[Guest]

6 hours ago, Arkpit said:

I would say this is a very much a waste of bloodshards since you just Craft the rare weapons that you want to upgrade.

Uh, I've got to admit, that never crossed my mind.

I always thought that wouldn't be possible (just with items you bought).

Thx for the info!

[Guest SinAcious]

On 10/31/2017 at 12:35 AM, Guest Oneknight1984 said:

So I currently play offline

How?

[Guest Guest]

This guide is in need of an update. At least math wise, bk swords with attack speed and one AS roll in rings is a clear winner over istvans due to higher breakpoints. With this setup, perma ip/wotb with a single cdr roll (orotz) or max 2 (shoulders) and no fury problems despite dropping weapons mastery for a dps passive is a reality. It may take a season before real world data show us the best choice. Also, mid tier? The build cleared 118 in ptr and then suffered a 2 level nerf and a buff to bks. Finally, skull grasp is not 300% any more. 

[Valks 2,377]

On 11/1/2017 at 11:59 PM, Guest Guest said:

This guide is in need of an update. At least math wise, bk swords with attack speed and one AS roll in rings is a clear winner over istvans due to higher breakpoints. With this setup, perma ip/wotb with a single cdr roll (orotz) or max 2 (shoulders) and no fury problems despite dropping weapons mastery for a dps passive is a reality. It may take a season before real world data show us the best choice. Also, mid tier? The build cleared 118 in ptr and then suffered a 2 level nerf and a buff to bks. Finally, skull grasp is not 300% any more. 

Passing this on to Deadset, will see what he says and update accordingly.

[Dallium 2]

Add me to the list of people who'd love to see WW revisited after  2.6.1, whenever Deadset can find the time.

[Valks 2,377]

13 hours ago, Dallium said:

Add me to the list of people who'd love to see WW revisited after  2.6.1, whenever Deadset can find the time.

Consider yourself added to my list! I'll poke him again and see what he's working on!

[Fablezim 0]

Great guides as usual Icyveins :) However, I am either missing something or completely disagree with the speedfarming variation for the WW build. I've been trying this (solo T13 normal rift) for the last hour or so and I think there is a definite lack of defense with this guide as you have us abandon everything that gives us toughness and replace it with speed. I love the idea but in execution I think it could be better as I don't see how anyone who copies the speedfarm guide as it is now would have much success (again, unless I am completely missing something...) 

 

I've been trying to come up with a variation of this that works well and I still think the ORotZ/Skull/BoM is the best option, with Furnace instead of In-Geom. You're almost as fast but now have BoM+FC to help you survive, kill elites faster and still get the uptime on WotB. I've tried a few Avarice/Goldwrap/Boon builds but aside from the convenience of grabbing orbs faster you generally out-run all the gold on the map anyway unless you run back a bit for it, so sticking with BoM as your main defense is still the best imo. I'd love to hear your thoughts about this!

[Jagerfps 0]

On 11/1/2017 at 6:35 PM, Guest SinAcious said:

How?

probably xbox/playstation

[positiv2 953]

8 hours ago, Fablezim said:

However, I am either missing something or completely disagree with the speedfarming variation for the WW build. I've been trying this (solo T13 normal rift) for the last hour or so and I think there is a definite lack of defense with this guide as you have us abandon everything that gives us toughness and replace it with speed.

What's your paragon? How well does your gear mirror the stat recommendations in the table? 

[Guest Guest]

I appreciate the update! I'm glad this build is still getting attention. 

I have a question: why is CRD favored over IAS on weapons and one ring? I believe that 3 IAS rolls (with one CDR roll) will yield 100% uptime on self buffs. Just looking for clarification. 

[Fablezim 0]

On 11/27/2017 at 7:03 AM, positiv2 said:

What's your paragon? How well does your gear mirror the stat recommendations in the table? 

Paragon in season is 790, and I followed the guide probably 90% accurately with rerolls.

[positiv2 953]

On 28. 11. 2017 at 9:46 PM, Fablezim said:

Paragon in season is 790, and I followed the guide probably 90% accurately with rerolls.

And are you actually dying or just being close to death at all times? If it's the latter, then that's fine, as you want to sacrifice as much survivability for speed as possible without dying too often.

[Kandicaine 1]

On 26/11/2017 at 8:11 PM, Fablezim said:

Great guides as usual Icyveins :) However, I am either missing something or completely disagree with the speedfarming variation for the WW build. I've been trying this (solo T13 normal rift) for the last hour or so and I think there is a definite lack of defense with this guide as you have us abandon everything that gives us toughness and replace it with speed. I love the idea but in execution I think it could be better as I don't see how anyone who copies the speedfarm guide as it is now would have much success (again, unless I am completely missing something...) 

 

I've been trying to come up with a variation of this that works well and I still think the ORotZ/Skull/BoM is the best option, with Furnace instead of In-Geom. You're almost as fast but now have BoM+FC to help you survive, kill elites faster and still get the uptime on WotB. I've tried a few Avarice/Goldwrap/Boon builds but aside from the convenience of grabbing orbs faster you generally out-run all the gold on the map anyway unless you run back a bit for it, so sticking with BoM as your main defense is still the best imo. I'd love to hear your thoughts about this!

his is what Ive done too.

 

BoM trivializes toughness. Removes the need for Ignore pain (which sucks up CDR from OrtZ needed for WoTB %100 up time).

 

I removed Ignore Pain and replaced it with Threatening Shout Falter, for increased damage on elites and bosses.

 

I also changed Whirlwind to use Windshear since having Berserker Rage in this build doesnt Synergize without it for more than a few seconds.

 

I also removed and replaced Spear/Charge with Leap with Death from above or Iron Impact.

 

- This allows virtually unlimited leaps for proccing BoM and Ancient Parthsanon Defenders. As well as aiding in movement efficiency.

 

These changes saw my ability to solo increase by 10 floors.

 

Every skill can now be used %100 up time while maintaining both damage and defenses and Whirlwind may be spammed continuously to aid with movement speed (bonus from BK Oath) without ever dipping below %95 fury needed for Berserker rage.

 

IMO This build focuses to much on un necesscary speed for severly lacking toughness with many non-synergizing skills that make the build counterintuitive to itself

 

However these changes Ive made have been very good and the build is extremely good with it.

 

The only significant negative difference there is with my changes is the removal of CoE in favor of BoM.

Im unsure if cubing CoE over Skullgrasp would be better...

 

However. CoEs uptime is only 4 seconds every 15 seconds really. So I dont know.

 

I do know my ability to kill and survive higher and higher floors, faster and faster, has significantly improved as with the build the way it is shown without any toughness was basically leaving me 1hko by every single elemental attack even with ignore pain (which messed with my CDR for WotB up time and drastically reduced my DPS)

 

Edit: Ive yet to replace the belt since it isnt needed. Im trying to aim for a witching hour to further improve overall DPS

Edited January 16, 2018 by Kandicaine

[albabe 33]

So, I guess when I wasn't looking, we went back to using the Bul-Kathos's  rather than Little Rogue et al, for Weapons now... and there is no longer any Variation that uses Strong-arm Bracers.  It's listed as an Alternative but with no changes in the build.

[Guest Unknown]

Could someone explain why Bracers and/or Amulet are eligible to roll either Physical OR Lightning % damage? What I mean by this is, when we change WW with the rune of Wind Shear (making it Lightning Damage). Does Physical % still apply to this? Wouldn't lightning be more superior? Or is that now how it's calculated?

Thanks!
Vladimir

[Guest zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz]

4 hours ago, Guest Unknown said:

Could someone explain why Bracers and/or Amulet are eligible to roll either Physical OR Lightning % damage? What I mean by this is, when we change WW with the rune of Wind Shear (making it Lightning Damage). Does Physical % still apply to this? Wouldn't lightning be more superior? Or is that now how it's calculated?

Thanks!
Vladimir

I think they copied over an old template, because this has to be an error. Both dust devils and blood funnel are physical skills so always go for physical element damage.

Lightning ww is a thing of the past.

[Guest ArcherCC]

The guide lists 5 stats under stat priority, 2 of which (Str & Soc) are native to the item, and then 3 more which are all three primary stats, but the item can only roll 2 additional primary stats not 3 unless I am missing something huge, so are the final 2 listed Reduced damage/elites & All res a case of pick which is higher, or can you potentially get a god roll with the 2 native + 3 primary?

[Necko 0]

can you update this when you get a chance. I was told the patch changed this a bit.

[Crash333 0]

https://us.battle.net/forums/en/d3/topic/18706416963?page=1

I like this guide this season, the "Zodiac Whirlwind" is my favorite

[Guest Guesto]

I'm curious why this is listed pretty high up the High Tier list. I'm playing it this season since I haven't in a long time and it's just really weak compared to many other High Tier builds I've played on the site.