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Hello fellow hunters!
I have more or less played hunter exclusively since Ulduar, and I've always done pretty decent, doing respectable DPS, using my utility to it's fullest and generally been a good raider. In Legion however, I felt as if that changed, and nothing ever "clicked" - I feel like I've done poorly the entire expansion so far, so much that I even quit for a while.
Well, now my pretty casual guild has started progressing in mythic, and even though we've managed the three first cakewalk bosses, I want to do better at the harder ones, so I'm reaching out to you guys for help. To be honest, I have no idea where to start to better myself. I really suck at handling an/or interpreting logs, but I can tell I don't do really well from the rankings... mostly gray numbers. Also, my live DPS is pretty much 200k lower than my simmed (using Raidbots quicksim feature).
Below, I will link the logs from our progress run in mythic last night, some wipes, but two kills (Demonic Inquisition and Harjatan). Hopefully you can gleam something I'm doing wrong from them - if not I can probably get some logs from our raid tomorrow. I'll also post a link to my armory, if that helps. Raidbots doesn't seem to function properly at the moment, the connection to armory fails all the time which means I can't post any sims. I will try and edit this post with some sims later on, if possible. :P
Logs from last night:
I don't expect you guys to do wonders, but any help is appreciated!
Tobhi of Silvermoon-EU
Also, forgot to mention that I guess I'm willing to swap to BM if needed, but I really hate pets with a passion since the Deathwing fights, and having my pet swimming between the platforms, preventing me from using Kill Command...
Before you start any transmog farm ensure you have the following addons:
The farm i will be doing is located in the vanilla blackwing lair raid,
This can be done with only a few characters as you require 2 things:
- A way to drop combat such as invisibility or feign death
- Magical damage such as arcane explosion for mages or hunter trap
the best option is still to use mage and even better would be a nightelf mage as you would have shadowmeld and invisibility.
A detailed video on any information you may need.
Thanks for your time and i hope you get some nice stuff.
I dont know what im doing wrong, ive have the right talents, and doing my rotation in order, and yet i am doing horrible dps.
I am currently using the rotation stated on icy-veins.
ive been out dpssed by other warlocks from my guild, pugs and in lfr (i know, but still) and i dont know what i am doing wrong.
this is the profile of a guildie, who does a ton more dps than me. https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/stormrage/hulabaloo
If someone has some advice, it's greatly appreciated..
I hope i have provided the details required, otherwise please inform me what i need to add.
"For AoE there are two options. The first of these is Loramus Thalipedes' Sacrifice, further increasing the power of Fel Rush for each subsequent target you charge through, though recent changes have diminished how powerful this is. 7.2 has extended this to apply with the first target hit, but are still unremarkable."
This may sound stupid but I was hoping someone could just help me clarify this last sentence of this section. "7.2 has extended this to apply with the first target hit, but are still unremarkable." I'm a bit confused as to what this means. Is this sentence saying that the damage is "unremarkable" in a good way? Or bad way? I've just received the legendary boots and am trying to see if they're a good choice in fights with a lot of adds.
Thank you for your time.
Hi, boys and girls!
I recently played Evo-Shaman again (Brian Kiblers version basically), after having a lot of fun (and frustration) at the beginning of Whispers of the old Gods with an Evo-Deck and trying the Jade version in Mean Streets of Gadgetzan. But all the time I played it, it felt like I had a lot of bad luck with Evolve. Always getting something worse than I had before. So now I tried to prove myself wrong by doing some math (or counting). And I want to share my results with you! Enjoy!
First off the five different classes:
Bomb : possibly gamewinning. Overwhelming stats and/or powerful abilities. The best you can get for this price (e.g. Succubus, Savannah Highmane, Aya Blackpaw, Cairne Bloodhoof)
Better : better stats than before (e.g. 2/3 from evolving a Totem) or a some kind of useful effect (e.g. Deathrattle) (e.g. Kindly Grandmother, Ornery Direhorn, Argent Commander)
Mediocre : underwhelming stats or a downside / probably useless effect. (e.g. Scavenging Hyena, Frozen Crusher, Cabal Shadow Priest)
Bad : worse than before. Terrible stats compared to other cards of the same cost (e.g. Grimestreet Outfitter, Nerubian Prophet)
Awful : cards that can make you loose the game, are entirely useless in most situations or have extremly bad stats (e.g. Doomsayer, Ancient Watcher, Big-Time Racketeer)
And some important things to considerate:
cards are evaluated like if you are ahead or equal to your opponent (e.g. Abomination is Aweful)
cards with useful effects are evaluated compared to an every day situation with a somewhat aggressive Evolution-Shaman-Deck. Likewise minions like The Voraxx are Bad, because you will not be able to use there ability.
Minions with one Health are most of the time Bad
Minions are compared to other minions you can get. Likewise nearly any 6-drop is better than the 2/2 from Doppelgangster but getting a Fight Promoter is still bad.
Minions are partly evaluated like you would evolve them at the end of your turn and/or after you played them (so with not much mana left), as you most of the time would do. Likewise minions with triggered abilities like Gadgetzan Auctioneer are most of the time Bad.
Of course Battlecries doesn't matter at all.
Jades can get pretty much any manacost, so they fit everywhere.
Aya Blackpaw is evaluated like if you get her while playing other Jade-cards in your deck (as you normally do in Evo-Shaman) otherwise she is mediocre.
Finally some cards are very debatable and fit more in between classes, so you might come up with different results sometimes (e.g. Nat Pagle)
Costs of the minion you want to evolve (examples in common Evo-Shaman-Decks) →
Class (e.g. Better) Number of cards ( I = one card, IIIII = 5 cards) (Best / Worse cards you can get) [chance of getting something aweful in %] - total number
1-Mana (HP-Totems, Murloc-Tokens, Fire Fly, Patches the Pirate, Bloodsail Corsair) →
Bomb IIIII II (e.g. Millhouse Manastorm, Cornered Sentry) - 7
Better IIIII IIIII IIIII IIIII IIIII IIIII IIIII IIIII IIIII - 45
Mediocre IIIII IIIII IIIII IIIII I - 21
Bad IIIII IIIII I - 11
Awful III (e.g. Doomsayer) [3,45%] - 3
Charge: 1 (1,2% chance)
Taunt: 7 (8,1% chance)
2-Mana (Flametongue Totem, Primalfin Totem) (3/3 vanilla is mediocre) →
Bomb IIIII III (e.g. Injured Blademaster, Shaku, the Collector) - 8
Better IIIII IIIII IIIII IIIII IIIII IIIII - 30
Mediocre IIIII IIIII IIIII IIIII IIIII IIIII I - 31
Bad IIIII IIIII IIIII IIIII IIIII IIIII II - 32
Awful III (e.g. Unlicensed Apothecary) [2,88%] - 3
Charge: 1 (0,96% chance)
Taunt: 10 (9,6% chance)
3-Mana (Mana Tide Totem, Stonehill Defender) (4/4 vanilla is mediocre)→
Bomb IIII (e.g.Flamewreathed Faceless, Twilight Summoner) - 4
Better IIIII IIIII IIIII IIIII IIIII II - 27
Mediocre IIIII IIIII IIIII IIIII IIIII I - 26
Bad IIIII IIII IIIII IIIII IIIII IIIII I - 31
Awful I (Faceless Shambler) [1,11%] - 1
Charge: 2 (2,2% chance)
Taunt: 10 (11,2% chance)
4-Mana (Jinyu Waterspeaker) (5/5 or 5/4 or 4/5 vanilla is mediocre)→
Bomb IIIII I (e.g. Earth Elemental, Grimestreet Enforcer) - 6
Better IIIII IIIII IIIII III - 18
Mediocre IIIII IIIII IIIII IIIII III - 23
Bad IIIII IIIII IIIII IIIII - 20
Awful IIIII (e.g. Abomination, Bomb Squad) [6,94%] - 5
Charge: 2 (2,8% chance) (Doomguard and Leeroy Jenkins)
Taunt: 11 (15,3% chance)
5-Mana (Doppelgangster) (5/5 vanilla is mediocre)→
Bomb IIIII (e.g. Kabal Trafficker) - 5
Better IIIII IIIII IIIII II - 17
Mediocre IIIII IIIII IIIII IIII - 19
Bad IIIII IIIII - 10
Awful III (e.g. Big-Time Racketeer) [5,55%] - 3
Charge: 2 (3,7% chance)
Taunt: 9 + Hogger (16,7% chance)
6-Mana (Thing from Below) (6/6 vanilla is mediocre)→
Bomb I (Swamp King Dred) - 1
Better IIIII IIIII II - 12
Mediocre IIIII I - 6
Bad IIIII IIIII I -11
Awful I (Baron Geddon) [3,22%] - 1
Charge: 0 (0% chance)
Taunt: 4 (12,9% chance)
It seems that you can get a lot of good stuff (mainly 2/3s and 3/2s) from evolving 1-Mana-minions like your totems and Primalfin-Murlocs. The danger of getting Doomsayer seems pretty low (1,3%).
Evolving 2-Mana-Minions seems pretty good too. You get a decent chance of getting real big bombs and high-value-cards, but there is also some pretty bad stuff. Also you have to evolve your valuable totems (these are your 2-Mana-Minions most of the time).
Evolving 3-, 4-, 5- and 6-Mana-minions are pretty much 50/50. They got a lot of awesome stuff, but also some pretty bad results.
Especially the 5-Mana Evolve is important, since you will often get three 6-drops from one 5-drop (Doppelgangster), so getting a bunch of 4/5s is still awesome.
Jades will probably turn into something similar or worse most of the time.