Elemental Shaman 7.3

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14 hours ago, checkmate said:

Kindly asking for a more details on trinkets.

Inspecting some high skilled shaman on arsenal, none is using the trinkets recommended by icy veins.

If you want, I can post the arsenal links.

Check my comment above, thanks!

[Guest Xama]

hi, I have a question, what are the statistics of the elemental shaman for the addon pawn?

[Guest Lmnt]

Hi, can u update shaman guide? There a lot of changes since 29 august!

 

And guys, what's our stats cap now?

[Guest Urgalicious]

So I've been browsing through various forums and I keep coming across statements saying to go for 33% crit (which they say is the soft cap?) and then focusing on haste.

I could have read them wrong, but is that something you'd recommend or just keep building as much crit as possible?  Didn't see any mention of it in the guide though I may have just overlooked it.  I ask this because I do have some slightly higher ilevel pieces in my bags with haste and crit, with the haste stat rolling higher than the crit one (though I am already wearing a piece with both haste and crit except a higher crit roll). I admit I'm not taking the added intelligence into account either, which also begs the question of should you sacrifice higher ilevel gear just because it doesn't have our desired secondary stats.

Thanks!

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On 10/5/2016 at 11:42 PM, Guest Xama said:

hi, I have a question, what are the statistics of the elemental shaman for the addon pawn?

You need to use simcraft to find stat weights that are accurate for your character.

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21 hours ago, Guest Lmnt said:

Hi, can u update shaman guide? There a lot of changes since 29 august!

Will make sure Furty knows!

19 hours ago, Guest Urgalicious said:

So I've been browsing through various forums and I keep coming across statements saying to go for 33% crit (which they say is the soft cap?) and then focusing on haste.

I'll be honest, I'm not sure. I'll ask and see!

[Guest Upstream]

Yeah, this guide needs to be updated. I will wait with my comments as Furty may already be on the case.

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18 hours ago, Guest Upstream said:

Yeah, this guide needs to be updated. I will wait with my comments as Furty may already be on the case.

Could you elaborate on what you feel needs updating? I'm sure there are things that need looking at, but it makes my job a lot easier to give Furty some points on what people are focusing on as being outdated. Especially since you have comments ready, so I'm hoping I can pass them on.

Thanks in advance and sorry for the outdated information!

[Guest ultraroy1]

I think the only thing that needs to be looked at is the viability of lightning rod due to the 20% or so buff on lightning bolt and chain lightning. Also I can't confirm this next thing but I hear that having high haste makes earthquake X2 deal more damage than your average earth shock on single targets so it would be nice to see someone take a look at that.

[Guest Colanasou]

on the lightning rod, you listed it as taking extra damage from lightning bolt, but i believe the wording on it means they take damage when you hit other things. like if you make the boss from EN in mulgore (spiderbird boss) the lightning rod, then when you aoe the spiderlings down, she would take some of the damage you did to them.

 

unless of course im interpreting it wrong

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14 hours ago, Guest Colanasou said:

on the lightning rod, you listed it as taking extra damage from lightning bolt, but i believe the wording on it means they take damage when you hit other things. like if you make the boss from EN in mulgore (spiderbird boss) the lightning rod, then when you aoe the spiderlings down, she would take some of the damage you did to them.

 

unless of course im interpreting it wrong

I believe the bonus damage does trigger when you hit the same target, since it says "all" damage.

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On 10/16/2016 at 9:21 AM, Guest ultraroy1 said:

I think the only thing that needs to be looked at is the viability of lightning rod due to the 20% or so buff on lightning bolt and chain lightning. Also I can't confirm this next thing but I hear that having high haste makes earthquake X2 deal more damage than your average earth shock on single targets so it would be nice to see someone take a look at that.

This has been noted and will be looked into, thanks :)

[Guest guest]

Bough is not bis trinket... in fact I have a 875 Bough and it's a 9k DPS loss over a 845 Oakheart's according to sims...

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34 minutes ago, Guest guest said:

Bough is not bis trinket... in fact I have a 875 Bough and it's a 9k DPS loss over a 845 Oakheart's according to sims...

I believe that, as with all our other lists, the BiS list is tailored towards Emerald Nightmare drops.

[Guest Grishnek]

Would it be possible to pull some relative stat weights from Simulationcraft for this guide? Things like stat weights for ascendance vs lightning rod, ancestral swiftness vs echo of the elements, and primal elementalist vs ice fury would be incredibly helpful for a newer player to tailor their gear to the spec they favor. Thank you very much!

[Guest BiggieMcHugeLarge]

Question regarding trinket stat priority.  I'm currently item level 850, and I'm having trouble letting go of some 835 trinkets that have +1,000 intellect. I have some 840 & 850 trinkets, but they have zero intellect, +a secondary stat, and some kind of cleve/aoe proc damage.  Am I making the right call to hang onto my primary stat trinkets in lieu of a higher item-level with no primary stat gain?

 

[Damien 1,533]

39 minutes ago, Guest BiggieMcHugeLarge said:

Question regarding trinket stat priority.  I'm currently item level 850, and I'm having trouble letting go of some 835 trinkets that have +1,000 intellect. I have some 840 & 850 trinkets, but they have zero intellect, +a secondary stat, and some kind of cleve/aoe proc damage.  Am I making the right call to hang onto my primary stat trinkets in lieu of a higher item-level with no primary stat gain?

 

It's probably better to ask this question in the Shaman forums. This thread is mostly about criticizing the guide and giving feedback :p

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On 10/22/2016 at 3:46 PM, Guest Grishnek said:

Would it be possible to pull some relative stat weights from Simulationcraft for this guide? Things like stat weights for ascendance vs lightning rod, ancestral swiftness vs echo of the elements, and primal elementalist vs ice fury would be incredibly helpful for a newer player to tailor their gear to the spec they favor. Thank you very much!

Stat weights, even when using the same talent build, can vary for every single item level, as well as the amount of each stat a character has. When you throw in different talent builds too, there are thousands upon thousands of different combinations of weights. The best thing to do is pick your preferred talent build if you wish to vary from ours, then simulate your current character's gear level. I'm going to introduce a guide to simming your own character in the very near future that should help with this.

[Guest Bodhi]

 Eye of the Twisting Nether causes damage from an element to increase damage from that element by 2% for 8 seconds. Not a bad legendary for single target, but overall a marginal gain.

This is wrong it increases overall damage.

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10 hours ago, Guest Bodhi said:

 Eye of the Twisting Nether causes damage from an element to increase damage from that element by 2% for 8 seconds. Not a bad legendary for single target, but overall a marginal gain.

This is wrong it increases overall damage.

Will let Furty know, thanks!

[Guest Mike]

Hi, I'm not sure if anyone else mentioned it, but you cannot pre cast Lava Burst. Flameshock must be on the target before you cast Lavaburst to get the guaranteed crit.

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On 19.11.2016 at 2:02 AM, Guest Mike said:

Hi, I'm not sure if anyone else mentioned it, but you cannot pre cast Lava Burst. Flameshock must be on the target before you cast Lavaburst to get the guaranteed crit.

I'll ask Furty to double check, but can't you FS while LB is in the air?

Edit: It doesn't even matter. You would still pre-cast LB, because it is a free cast of the spell, crit or not.

[Guest Upstream]

On 24/11/2016 at 9:58 PM, Blainie said:

I'll ask Furty to double check, but can't you FS while LB is in the air?

Edit: It doesn't even matter. You would still pre-cast LB, because it is a free cast of the spell, crit or not.

I am not sure this is the optimal way. Could you clarify what you mean by free cast?Precasting Lightning bolt into flame shock(pull) followed by your LvB is preferable to the LvB precast. This way you guarantee elemental focus for your stormkeeper.

 

 

[Guest Upstream]

On 24/11/2016 at 9:58 PM, Blainie said:

I'll ask Furty to double check, but can't you FS while LB is in the air?

Edit: It doesn't even matter. You would still pre-cast LB, because it is a free cast of the spell, crit or not.

+possible lightning rod proc. Happens rarely but huge opener if it does. I also thought you could  FS mid-air as of Legion launch but you cannot.

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On 11/26/2016 at 6:56 PM, Guest Upstream said:

I am not sure this is the optimal way. Could you clarify what you mean by free cast?Precasting Lightning bolt into flame shock(pull) followed by your LvB is preferable to the LvB precast. This way you guarantee elemental focus for your stormkeeper.

Bit late, but wanted to follow up :) You were indeed correct and the opening rotation has been altered to now use LB rather than Lava Burst.