Demonology Warlock 7.3

[Damien 1,533]

This thread is for comments about our Demonology Warlock guide for Legion.

[Twinkielock 15]

Class trinket is supposed to be that low?  Wouldn't the extra imps be huge?

 

[Damien 1,533]

2 hours ago, Twinkielock said:

Class trinket is supposed to be that low?  Wouldn't the extra imps be huge?

 

SimC is very buggy right now. I'll remove all the sims tonight and we'll replace them with a shortlist of 3 or 4 trinkets.

[Twisty 0]

One question, where is HoG in Opening Sequence? thx for guide :)

[Guest Lock]

any weakaura links?

[Guest Vayshan]

Doesn't Demonic Empowerment update any demon that comes out while it is active? Seems redundant to cast it after every new summon. Just keep an eye on it.

[Guest Betrayerx]

21 hours ago, Twisty said:

One question, where is HoG in Opening Sequence? thx for guide :)

That was the first thing I noticed. I assume you would use it around #16 or #17. Maybe he meant to add in "Cast HOG" after the 4 DB/SB's but just forgot.

[Guest Demodude]

Question is a bit off topic, demo viable now what about in the grand scheme of things. When legion drops and we hit 110 is it going to be a sought after spec in raids? I mean all the time you're going to have to put into your artifact just to find out youre going to have to change specs. Again off topic and I apologize but who better to ask.

[Xogo 0]

Im not a macro or WeakAuras pro at all.

Is it possible to make a macro where everytime you summon a demon, that Demonic Empowerment is auto cast?

Does anyone have a weak aura that shows when Grimoire: Service (felguard) is off cooldown and can be cast again?  Or, if not a weak aura, what is the best addon to use to show that.

 

[Guest Alydar]

If you take Hand of Doom, then every time you cast Hand of Gul'dan, you end up refreshing Doom...so it never hits. Am I missing something?

[Guest seePyou]

As a completely new Warlock starting out on patch 3.0.7, I do not understand the Grimoire of Supremacy or why it is recommended (which may be because I do not understand it).

a) Does it offer TWO demons out, my standards and now the doomguard or infernal as well? that seems wrong, as that is neither passive, nor that close to the others (unless they are not doing that good of a DPS, but it's more a status symbol of "look at me I'm walking with two demons").

b) Does it mean I still control only one demon at a time, only that I can now choose between six demons? That would mean that they are so far better than the standard demons, to ignore taking the Grimoire of Service or the Grimoire of Synergy which are both a DPS bump over my standard original four demons.

c) Why is the  Grimoire of Supremacy described as good for leveling, partly at least due to it being passive? It is still "active" in that I have to call a demons. The true passive here is the Grimoire of Synergy which adds damage to me OR my demon as I go about leveling. And again, the Synergy offers a DPS boost that even for leveling is ignored in favour of the Supremacy. As a novice in Warlock, I feel I'm missing something here...

[Asmaidos 0]

So regarding stats: Should we stack haste to a certain cap or just as much as possible? I read something about 30%? Sorry that I can't remember the source.

[Asmaidos 0]

59 minutes ago, Furty said:

Currently you stack as much as possible. In Legion it's possible that Haste will eventually hit a point where getting more does have as much immediate benefit as stacking more Mastery (this is with Legendaries as well), but we'll have to wait and see!

Thanks

[manofthelaw3 0]

so i found a way to cheese the rotation even more with the 4-piece and the trinket. set hand of doom for talent then go through demonic empowerment > instant shadow bolt > hand of guldan > repeat then mixing in grimoire, doomguard, and life tap as needed. this gets more imps per soul shard and manages to up my dps by about 5-10k on target dummy than just stacking 4 shards and then casting hand. Anyone else found this to be true?

Edited July 25, 2016 by manofthelaw3

[Bazdouf 0]

Isn't Shadowflame a big dps boost with enough haste ? The first cast is a demonbolt with 10 demons, and each successive cast add almost adds 10 demons, and damage is increased by haste (if im not mistaken), while the instant shadow/demonbolt doesn't scale with haste that well.

[Guest Nataku]

The 4pc has been nerfed to 2%, down from 8%. It hurts.

[Asmaidos 0]

21 hours ago, Furty said:

Yep :( Doesn't change anything rotationally though.

Are you sure? From my experience in todays raid single target dmg is better with Demonic Caling and Improved Dreadstalkers...

 

[Asmaidos 0]

7 hours ago, Furty said:

100% sure, provided you're still using class trinket & 4-set.

Do you think there is a difference between mytic or heroic class trinket in terms of rotation? There might be a certain iLvL at which the rotation changes to not using Dreadstalkers?

 

Additional question: Why didn't the mention the change in the recent patchnotes?

Edited July 28, 2016 by Asmaidos

[klhFrenchy 0]

Hi Furty, thanks for the guide!

I had one question though for clarification re: Tier 4 talents. On the Builds and Talents section it has Power Trip as the go-to talent, but in the Rotation, Cooldowns, and Abilities section it says Power Trip is inferior to HoD and Soul Harvest in all scenarios. Is it more that PT is better w/ 4pc + Fragment, but otherwise is inferior to the others?

[Guest Sin]

How do Demo warlocks compare in Legion in raids and dungeons. I want to raid on my demo lock but if the damage done is abysmal then I would like to know before I jump into this. Thank you.

[Guest confused power trip]

There appears to be contradictory information between the talent page and the rotation page. On the talent page it says power trip is best 1-2 targets however when you move to tier 4 talents on the rotation page it says power trip is worse in all situations. Some clarification would be nice

[Guest Arende]

With the latest 4set nerf down to 2%, is it worth breaking this bonus in favor of more haste+ilvl ? Speaking about 720(2/2)  tier chest vs. 741(2/2) non-tier chest with more haste+crit and hence replacing the second weakest of the set (i guess i have spare haste hands), or is this 2% proc chance still better option overall ? 

[Guest tonid]

Has anyone figured out yet how to make a weak aura for demonic empowerment? It's not a problem to track the felguard (aura target = pet), but the dreadstalkers and imps are much more troublesome for me (I tried "Specific Unit" as a target, but it doesn't show for dreadstalkers, probably because they are regarded as guardians, not regular npcs)...

[Guest Question for castbar]

The Demontracker is awsome, but I think i will build a smaller version, it doesn't fit my UI completely.

@FurtyWhich Castbar Addon do you use, and which aura tracker (on the target)? I have imported  your elvui legion profile and had no castbar and no aura tracker.

[Guest Guest Guest]

"Shadowflame is an instant cast ability with 3 charges."

it's 2 charges