Stahll

Opinions on still using hellfire tier?

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Hi there, i was wondering. Is the 4 set bonus from hellfire citadel, for hunters, a viable option.

Yes its a massive stat loss and what not... BUUUT!! Instant aimed shots!!

 

Now i dont know whether this is just bad scaling or what.

 

I beat my mate, who is a pretty good mage, ilvl 830ish when i level 103.

 

Ive constantly been out dps'ing other memebers of the group from anything up to double the next guys damage.....

Might i add that aimed shot is one of our most powerful attacks. Atm i can hit 250k crit. Nothing extreme riiight.

BUT because of the 4 set from hellfire, i can spam it......

Just think about it :3

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It works because you are 103 and Legion dungeons scale. It will be moot come 110.

 

You should save it for Timewalker however, as it would make a killing there.

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Making Aimed Shot instant doesn't actually give you a whole lot of damage. 

With base GCD of 1.5 second and base Aimed Shot cast time of 2.0 seconds, you win just half a second of cast time. 

On occasion, you will also be able to shoot an extra Aimed Shot into a Vulnerability buff window, but it's not that big of a benefit. We don't actually cast THAT many Aimed Shots nowadays, considering Marked Shot is a cheaper instant cast that does roughly the same damage and also applies Vulnerable, and there are even Lock and Load procs that also make Aimed Shots instant.

Finally, I'm not even sure the tier bonus will function on level 110.

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Hmm thats something i'll take on board.

And yeah tbh it was probably just poor scaling

Definatly going to test it when i hit max level tonight.

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2 hours ago, Stahll said:

Hmm thats something i'll take on board.

And yeah tbh it was probably just poor scaling

Definatly going to test it when i hit max level tonight.

Let us know how it goes! I'm inclined to agree with the others though. It's really not worth it IMO.

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2 hours ago, Blainie said:

Let us know how it goes! I'm inclined to agree with the others though. It's really not worth it IMO.

You know you could just simcraft it, right?

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3 hours ago, Iridar said:

You know you could just simcraft it, right?

Of course, but I didn't have the time to do it myself, unfortunately. Thanks for doing it yourself!

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In this case, you don't even need to use simcraft, you just need some logical thinking.  Each piece you replace with a t18 item is going to be at least 100 ilvls higher than the t18 item (given 840 pre-raid Legion gear vs 735 2/2 Mythic t18 gear).  The best you could get away with is using 2 medium budget items (shoulders and gloves) and 2 high-budget items (choose from chest, legs, and head).  On each high budget item, that's 738 Agility and roughly 650 secondary stats lost, and you have 2 of these at best.  For Medium budget items: 553 Agility and roughly 500 Secondary stats lost.  That's compared to Mythic HFC tier pieces, which not many people have (relatively).  The differences are larger when compared to Heroic or Normal pieces.  The loss of stats alone is more than enough to warrant not using the old tier sets.  That's 2576 Agility and and roughly 2300 secondary stats lost, again, at best. 

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10 hours ago, Orthios said:

In this case, you don't even need to use simcraft, you just need some logical thinking.  Each piece you replace with a t18 item is going to be at least 100 ilvls higher than the t18 item (given 840 pre-raid Legion gear vs 735 2/2 Mythic t18 gear).  The best you could get away with is using 2 medium budget items (shoulders and gloves) and 2 high-budget items (choose from chest, legs, and head).  On each high budget item, that's 738 Agility and roughly 650 secondary stats lost, and you have 2 of these at best.  For Medium budget items: 553 Agility and roughly 500 Secondary stats lost.  That's compared to Mythic HFC tier pieces, which not many people have (relatively).  The differences are larger when compared to Heroic or Normal pieces.  The loss of stats alone is more than enough to warrant not using the old tier sets.  That's 2576 Agility and and roughly 2300 secondary stats lost, again, at best. 

I imagine it is even worse given that your t18 set bonus is buffing something that is directly impacted by the amount of agility/stats you have. It would probably need to be a set bonus that is independent of your current stats, something along the lines of the old Fury bonus for Warriors (reducing the timer on a major offensive CD). Even then, it would most likely just be nerfed for 110. 

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