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Fire Mage PvP 7.1

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This thread is for comments about our Fire Mage PvP guide for Legion.

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So I have been pvp'ing a bit on my mage and have you noticed some type of issue with Pyroblast? My fireballs were on average h itting harder than my Pyros in BGs. What gives?

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11 hours ago, Guest Funk said:

So I have been pvp'ing a bit on my mage and have you noticed some type of issue with Pyroblast? My fireballs were on average h itting harder than my Pyros in BGs. What gives?

That does seem odd. Run a damage meter in your battleground and look at the Damage Done after it's finished. You can see which spell hit hardest on average by dividing the total by the number casted.

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That's exactly what I did and why I commented on it. It was hitting on average for 50k less.

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2 minutes ago, Guest Funk said:

That's exactly what I did and why I commented on it. It was hitting on average for 50k less.

Does the same thing happen on a training dummy?

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On 9/9/2016 at 6:21 PM, Guest Funk said:

So I have been pvp'ing a bit on my mage and have you noticed some type of issue with Pyroblast? My fireballs were on average h itting harder than my Pyros in BGs. What gives?

Hi Guest Funk! Recently, a few of Fire Mage spells have gotten a damage nerf. If you are talented into Greater Pyroblast, they reduced the damage from 35% to 25%. They also reduced the damage of Fireball. Fireball now does 75% additional damage (was 150% damage)

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18 hours ago, Mysticall said:

Hi Guest Funk! Recently, a few of Fire Mage spells have gotten a damage nerf. If you are talented into Greater Pyroblast, they reduced the damage from 35% to 25%. They also reduced the damage of Fireball. Fireball now does 75% additional damage (was 150% damage)

Hopefully this should explain why he was having issues. Thanks for pointing this out Mys!

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Nice to see that we are finally getting PvP Guides!

Could you include the PvP Stat template for Fire Mage when they are in a PvP instance?

Could you please check if the Burst Rotation is correct? There is only 2 Pyroblasts mentioned in it and some Fire Blasts are wasted on Hot Streaks.

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1 hour ago, Archimage said:

Could you include the PvP Stat template for Fire Mage when they are in a PvP instance?

Could you please check if the Burst Rotation is correct? There is only 2 Pyroblasts mentioned in it and some Fire Blasts are wasted on Hot Streaks.

Definitely something we can look into putting up. We'll go over the burst and make sure everything is in order.

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3 hours ago, Archimage said:

Nice to see that we are finally getting PvP Guides!

Could you include the PvP Stat template for Fire Mage when they are in a PvP instance?

Could you please check if the Burst Rotation is correct? There is only 2 Pyroblasts mentioned in it and some Fire Blasts are wasted on Hot Streaks.

My apologies for this and I will correct it. The stat priority is:

Critical Strike>Int>Versatility>Haste>Mastery

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22 minutes ago, Mysticall said:

My apologies for this and I will correct it. The stat priority is:

Critical Strike>Int>Versatility>Haste>Mastery

From what I heard, when you enter a PvP instance, all your stats are replaced with a ilvl 800 template, and then it scales up by 0.1% for every ilvl you had above ilvl 800. Would like to know what this template is.

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30 minutes ago, Mysticall said:

My apologies for this and I will correct it. The stat priority is:

Critical Strike>Int>Versatility>Haste>Mastery

Was about to say, it sounds like Archi wants to know what stats are placed on each piece of gear in the PvP template. (Secondaries on Shoulders, for example, as a Fire Mage)

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9 hours ago, Archimage said:

From what I heard, when you enter a PvP instance, all your stats are replaced with a ilvl 800 template, and then it scales up by 0.1% for every ilvl you had above ilvl 800. Would like to know what this template is.

I do! So the template focuses on your primary stat and your most beneficial secondary stat. For fire mages, this will mean it will effect intellect (your primary stat) and critical strike (secondary stat). For each ilevel increase, these 2 stats will increase

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Great to see that the Burst Rotation has been updated!

There is a few points I want to touch on:
To get your first Hot Streak!  proc you can also use one Phoenix Flames and one Fire Blast, only recommended when you have 3 charges of Phoenix Flames.
Combustion will cause your Fireball and Hot Streak Pyroblast to both critical strike, so there is no need to use Fire Blast yet.

You can get about 7 Global Cooldowns into your Combustion:
0: Fireball + Pyroblast
1: Pyroblast + Fire Blast
2. Pyroblast + Heating Up + Fire Blast
3. Pyroblast + Fire Blast
4. Phoenix Flames (or Scorch if you are out of Phoenix Flames charges)
5. Pyroblast
6. Phoenix Flames (or Scorch if you are out of Phoenix Flames charges)
7. Pyroblast

Tier 1 PvP Talent Relentless is also a viable option when playing as Orc since it stacks with Hardiness.

 

There is also the Fire Mage Flamestrike Build for Battlegrounds or AoE Cleave.
It revolves around using World in FlamesWorld in Flames and Flame PatchFlame Patch and just spamming Flamestrike :D

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16 hours ago, Archimage said:

There is a few points I want to touch on:

Thanks for those suggestions Archi, keep 'em coming! Nothing is more valuable to us than properly structured feedback, so this is great :)

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On 14.9.2016 at 3:38 PM, Blainie said:

Hopefully this should explain why he was having issues. Thanks for pointing this out Mys!

Is it true, that the Artifact-Talents aren't active in PvP? Because there are some, which increase the damage of Pyroblast. This could be the reason for the low damage.

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On 11/29/2016 at 1:44 PM, lupch said:

Is it true, that the Artifact-Talents aren't active in PvP? Because there are some, which increase the damage of Pyroblast. This could be the reason for the low damage.

Definitely another possibility!

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